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Thanks for that Ohoka...along way from the action up here...and yeah i,ve even heard of the Riccarton Markets (probably been myself).. .to be quite honest I like markets as a community event...some are better than others ...up north...Waihi / Thames / Coromandel excellent.(as well as the fishing) And crikey yes , the Maori deserve to hold onto their land...Foreign investment would see it gone in a heartbeat !

AND ? ...DOES THIS RELATE TO RACING ?... A spokeswoman for Russell McVeagh referred any requests for comment to NZ First MP Clayton Mitchell. His office has been asked for comment. A spokesman for New Zealand First said "In the absence of state funding, dinners like this are a typical part of fundraising for political parties in New Zealand." While steep, $350 is relatively cheap for a fundraising event. Labour charged $600-a-head for seats at a post-budget speech from Finance Minister Grant Robertson earlier this year. A dinner with then-candidate Donald Trump in 2016 would cost you US$250,000 ($383,836) a couple, according to Bloomberg. Stuff

I watched this Doco on the internet itself last night...and its ability to sway opinion etc for political gain. When are all these proposed changes to take place winstone ?...(meetings with affected clubs scheduled and results published.) and highly paid suits and consultants efforts reliased? ... or shown the door to stop more wasted stake money ! If something like this major plan at Riccarton is mooted...stop the talking...get the bull dozers in, The mind boggles at the possibilities infield and outfield (market is all very nice, and I,m not close enough to the action)...BUT weekend market space could possibly be better used or shared during the week with with another activity.

Yep agree guys... main points highlighted

Shit you guys have got stickability, your game, loyal, stayers... I gave up hope 5 or 6 years ago and just go to the races for a punt now-days. As I said earlier, what next when all the silverware is sold off, to up stakes, and rural participants have hopped across the Tasman ? Hope they have a long term plan for keeping Stakes at a sustainable level to keep all grades racing horses (like yourselves ) in the game. The big breeders and overpaid free drinking admin.should be brought into line and hit in the pocket with the Grass root grafters,( to get us out of the shit.) That 18-40 y-o syndicate stuff hasn,t eventuated yet Huey...more like 50-80 y-o,s (at Hastings on Saturday anyway LOL) ...Fortuna syn.etc I voted Winston for change and with the likes of Ohokaman,Berri and Red Rum,s financial nous , the industry could possibly be saved without unwanted track closures.

Had a mate up from the South Island for the Tarzino, over a few beers he agreed, things need to change...and when looking at the cull list, he also mentioned duel code race-courses that could be saved to stop long travel times... and the obvious ones for the chop (eg.Waipukarau) where there are too many courses (as sad as it may be) they will need to be ruthless and rustle a few feathers i suppose e.g Ellerslie V Avondale. Expect they are (or should be) basing changes on location, population and local trainers operating there, / dual-tri code viability, and finally financial return possibility to racing. BUT WHEN THE JOB IS SEEN TO HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED AND THE POOR RURAL RACE-GOER ROBBED OF THEIR FIX, AND STAKES DOUBLED SHORT TERM, FROM THE PROCEEDS OF SALES, AND WINSTON RETIRES A HAPPY MAN...WHATS THE LONG TERM PLAN MR ACCOUNTANT?...(NO SILVERWARE LEFT IN THE CUPBOARD.) GET SOME BUMS ON SEATS AT THE RACES AND MAKE IT A FUN DAY OUT...YESTERDAY WAS A GOOD DAY...WELL DONE HASTINGS.

1. Hastings R7 - 17-15-4 2. Caulfield R7 - 3-10-8 Cheers...Fiji here we come (yeah right)

ya get the odd winx (very odd) Huey...one way or another (chilly bin and jandels syndicates) and this new age suit mob keep the industry ticking over and people on-course from the bottom up. Huey whats up mate? ...you need an early night ! you joke surely ? are they all going to f*** off to Oz as well ?

What a merry ole mix up, FAARK ...just sort it Winny...rustling as few features as poss for the betterment of NZ RACING. (if possible) You will be remembered IF racing folk say "He done a good job"

In the simplest of terms, the industry needs to engage with the 18 - 40yr olds with money as they are the group that will be racehorse owners in the future.....without owners, the industry is dead. Attracting this group through syndication has been paramount to the vibrant growth in racing Australia. The industry needs to compete with the multitude of sporting codes and other forms of entertainment/gambling. To do this racing needs to provide facilities and a package that gets this group to the races rather than the other sporting and entertainment events trying to get their dollar. Most of the comments I have heard from the "grassroots" of the industry in this thread seem to think the answer is people bringing a chillybin to their local track twice a year. I'm afraid these once a year punters are not the answer. The answer is the 18 - 40 yr olds who expect a great experience at a course with 2018 facilities. These are the potential racehorse owners we need to attract. GOFTA YOU HAVE REFLECTED WHAT I SAID EXACTLY , EXCEPT YOU ARE NOW SAYING MYSELF AND MANY OTHER CHILLY BIN DRINKING OWNERS ARE BEING REPLACED BY SUIT WEARING WOULD BE IF THEY COULD BE,S... LOL...I AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH AGREE SCOOBS...CAN I JUST ADD, A MID 70,S MATE REFUSES TO PAY AT THE GATE (I RECKON ALOT OF THESE NEWBIES MAY HAVE THE SAME ATTITUDE)... PAYING TO LOSE MONEY WHEN YOU CAN SIT AT HOME BY THE FIRE ON YOUR COMPUTER AND WATCH AND BET...(MAYBE NZTR CAN FUND THE GATE...% OF ON-COURSE BETTING) AGREE TOTALLY AND BETTER STAKES THE ANSWER GUB.

I will try and make it Brief...IMHO only. I voted Winny for the main reason, he would try to clean up Racing industry ...I,m near breathless and he,s come up with this. Trump... breeding is the only side of things, along with the free drink brigade that enjoy the spoils of the game anymore. Well done to the boys get paid approach of getting a hundred owners into a horse @ $5 a week... (Its the only way forward to attract new participants on-course and experience the old thrill as it once was.) As for getting rid of the old once / twice a year tracks that are the annual get together of the old firm and mates (I Dont agree) A lick of paint aint going to change the state of 95% of the tracks in NZ and none should have to fight for their survival. They would attract more on-course than your average day at Ellerslie or Te Rapa (or where the $$$$ improvements are earmarked for... Sure...Do the Track upgrades and bring Dining up to Aussie standards (but not at the expense of the rest of the grassroots clubs) Start from the bottom up ...(the punter on the grass with the chilly bin , looking to get into a horse) and make stakes such, so as it is affordable to pay the trainer to lease and train your horse to race.

mmm yeah well, how does one hear about these events in the general (non racing) community?...this meeting being free, attracted slightly more on course, than the previous $10 public entry HB jump day (that was devoid/desolate of a crowd) I went along as i had heard through word of mouth the meeting was on and usually attend anyway on the lawn, or in the members for the spring carnival with close friends from out of town. I realise its a fine line and congrats to the club and Butch for still letting patrons BYO... (what would the New Years day pic-nic meet be, without it?) How do Aussie? (or are they different?)...advertise properly to attract people on-course AND Having a breathaliser unit outside the gate (arranged or not) after the last is not a good look, pre-arranged transport options with drop off points could be considered... can cars be left overnight and picked up next day at most NZ meetings? in case the driver has had an un-expected extra Gin.

Yeah I was probably supposed to be studying for school C or something instead of the Turf Digest in those times. As soon as I saw Don Grubb...Feilding sprung to mind. Nana and Pops would take me to the races and they were big on their Daily Doubles... Tono Bungay with its 101010 formline and Gatcombes Prides liking for muddy tracks ensured they came away with some nice divs from memory.

Yeah nah...maybe not perfect ...agree with Shane, shooting scene to kick off with , not a good look. BUT at least viewing options on TV are improving. Beats Coro and Shortland Street. Some of you will be waiting with baited breathe for next weeks Doco...LOL

Trifecta...Peter Kelly, Keith Haub and ole George, for the odd hard case one liner

I don,t have an oz a/c...have always supported the nz product ...have lived there myself, returned to Gods own... Sister over there on the Gold Coast and Son has just gone over (hope they dont brainwash him). Be positive and thankful We live in best country in world ! If you can make a profit in 1 account ...you should be able to make one in any account ! ...Its called discipline .

R3 7. Seaway R4 4. Rising Red 9. Naval Warfare R5 15. Perast ( BEST BET) R6 11. Fundamentalist R7 7. Live and Free R8 16 Savatiano Cheers and thanks for the comp

R3 7. Seaway R4 4. Rising Red R5 15. Perast ( BEST BET) R6 11. Fundamentalist R7 7. Live and Free R8 16 Savatiano away over weekend, so in early...hoping for better than last week

Even the passionate are leaving it to some-one else these days ! ... e.g ...Mates that would chuck in 50 bucks ea. to be in a syndicate I notice that Puha, can the ownership costs be written off over time as a trainer?...is that why they are last to abandon ship?... or is it simply the fact they love the game and are hanging in there for the miracle Peters / Mesara recovery package.?

I still have the book "fortune on four" hidden away somewhere, but in reality I like % trebles ...(entertainment value and pay more than all up prices) And yeah Barry, your suggestion is a sound one with best 3 of the day...( and put $5 a win on the 3 of em)... can people personally message me with punting plans / systems. Would make a good post on its own (I might write a book on it).

Impressive, AM/FM / compact / at such a small price...I,m going to get mine today...(with A/M, you can listen to radio sport / Des while you work outside)

nice tipping crusty...mmm ... how good?

Correct John..(.if he doesn't get the support) ... I wont be down crying him, for giving it a shot.

4 May, 2013 10:44am 3 minutes to read Hawkes Bay Today By: Patrick O'Sullivan Kelt was a half-owner of Keltern Stud with his sister Susan Foote but the business was placed into liquidation in March . Mrs Foote took action after Kelt failed to acknowledge that $313,213 paid to the stud from Mrs Foote's family inheritance was in fact a loan. I see Popsy survived and Kelt is back in ownership of Resurgent...5 years later.

I never mentioned that John !...hoping he can do the bisso , sorting the new racing act. Whether he gets the support needed is another issue, at least he had a go. think he would have had enough of the circus by then.(what odds om offer?)