Overcheck

What wisdom???

Habibi Inta.

Then they will put their foot through the spokes and two horses will be out of play.

I think you had better check the dividends along the bottom of the screen and you will see they are the FF divies. That is why I made my initial post.

Blind Squirrel, your rather condescending reply remains "blind" to the main fact of my posts is that unless you have a computer you do not know what the place dividends are. To One more lap's post there is a hell of a lot of dividend reductions half way through a race well after the 7 second tv delay from when betting is closed. When betting is closed then it should be closed. You would of course say the TAB wouldn't be up to anything, or would they?

….. and how many more like you have had enough? Going by turnover I think a lot of punters are shifting to sports betting.

On further reflection it appears that as the TAB's profit is bigger on the FF bets ( I think I am right) they are trying to make everyone back that way rather than on the tote. This way they can control the market and keep odds ridiculously low. As I said above it will drive place betters away. Sure it is a problem only if you do not have a computer, but there are still a lot of older customers out there who deserve a fair go for in many cases their lifelong support of the industry.

It appears that the dividends on the graphics on the left hand side of the screen and also along the bottom are FF dividends with the win tote dividend only showing on the left. Races today so far have not been involved in pay back or place paying to 4th so therefore if you have tv only you do not know what the tote place dividends are. Obviously the TAB do not want betting for a place on the tote which are often better than the miserable FF ones. Just another way to drive customers away. This is happening today with the dogs, gallops and trots.

Winston was attending the court regarding his defamation case.

You are right CosmicBlackie the fields have been getting less and less attractive over the last 10 years or so. I guess smaller foal crops and the fact that many horses showing early ability are sold overseas is having a detrimental effect on Cup Day cards. Oh for the days when every race had brilliant fields on Cup Day and most of Show Day. Good luck to all though.

Boss, I am not sure how it worked but the Cup used to be run on a different Tuesday to the MC, but did clash from time to time until changed to the second Tuesday in November. Someone else may know exactly how it worked.

Is anyone having trouble getting any detail with anything that goes through the Punters Lounge? I have just received some computer updates so that may have had an affect, although the rest of the TAB website is working ok.

They probably should have asked again, but why would anyone want to risk backing him again Friday night without a positive report of much improvement?

Yes I entirely agree, and until this is considerably reduced we are going to continue with masses of poorly performed race fields which are adding to the decline in turnover. A lot of fields you may as well back a number unless you have stable knowledge.

I am almost certain Lordship at Forbury was the first 3yo to win an open class race.

Yes, but there are a lot of NZers complaining too.

If the Crusaders have to change their name because it relates to violence 1000 years ago then surely the same people will call for a Warriors rugby league name change. A warrior is involved in violence right up to the present day.

I am inclined to think so and I usually have a good look at what he is driving.

I don't really know but it may be because maidens could be rated higher through getting placings in races, and conversely winners could have their ratings reduced because of losing runs. I think the $10.000 for maidens was brought in to encourage more people to race horses, but I may be wrong.

I know it was going on in the sixties. Had a relation who was working in the telephone exchange and some of them were listening in (not him/her) particularly on Saturday mornings. You could not get away with using your phone now of course.

I understand that it is not the starters job to call a false start when horses are well back from the arm unless they have been interfered with in the run up. It is up to the stipes to take some sort of action against the driver concerned {which they don't). Why then if you apply this ruling does he insist on all horses in a standing start be right up to the tape but not touching? Trying to get one horse standing half a length back up to the tape often leads to other horses becoming unsettled. This only applies of course when it is not a run up start by a section of the field.

I don't want the cup to become a mobile start or the race will be in danger of becoming just another race, as the Auckland Cup did as a mobile 2600m race. But you are right Thejanitor, Mulcay and Ron Carter before him did not have the trouble this starter has because once a horse played up more than once it was sent to the outside before the rest of the field became unsettled. Also I think in fairness to Lamb trainers were better at getting a horse to stand properly. The horses and drivers though have to now work out whether it is a stand or a walk up which doesn't help. The "old school" had it right, so why change it?

I here what you are saying Fartoomuch but over the last few years he has been in the top 7 in the drivers premiership and 3rd on two occasions, so he can't be doing too much wrong I would think. Admittedly Dexter put his horses near the front with great results but quite often had better horses to drive. My liking of Ricky May's driving is however only my opinion.

Or perhaps he has horses today that he can drive that way.

I like Mick's enthusiasm, and he is not afraid to state what he really thinks, but he does annoy me when as soon as Greg starts a statement about something he takes over the conversation. To me being old fashioned interrupting someone is being rude.