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    JOT got a reaction from JJ Flash in Please outsource TAB   
    Hmm... Shane just looking at those images, are you trying to run the website on your phone, with limited battery power and not connected to a wireless link? If so, your device is telling you 'I can't handle whats coming down the pipe. Either plug me in and get me to a stable connection or download the app from whatever app store so to make my limited life easier'
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    JOT reacted to nomates in $15K all races in July   
    Prior to covid winner of a 10k race received , $6250 .
    Winner of a 15k race will receive , $8100 . 
    All first 5 horses home will receive more than previously run 10k races .
    Now 5th to 14th receive $300 , less 15% for trainer/jockey , leaving $255 for the owner .
    Iv'e raced enough horses to know that after paying trainer and jockey costs then a float trip that even getting $255 for running unplaced would have been gratefully received , had a lot more run unplaced than in the money . That small amount every time a horse goes to the races will keep a lot more horses racing that otherwise would have been retired . I know that getting something for providing the product with an average horse i would have kept some going a little bit longer .
    All the major racing jurisdictions pay back . I think Australia , Hong Kong have a fair idea what works .
    Red Rums thread on Bryce Stanaways horses is a classic example how paying what is basically an appearance fee can help prolong horses careers and show owners that they are respected for what they provide . It will also keep more owners especially newer ones in racing . They will see they aren't always just forking out .
    They say every extra horse in a race provides extra turnover , which in turn provides extra income to the racing industry , then more power to anything that keeps owners racing their horses is applauded by me .
    NZTR doesn't get a lot right in my book but in this the have .
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    JOT reacted to Kingshill in Ok.. time for a fun game   
    Young Ida....... 3rd dam of a mare of mine..... Still breeding from the family 
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    JOT reacted to CT"s in Hard Luck Stories   
    I used to work at Ellerslie on the track many years ago around the same time (early 90’s) while I was at Waikato Uni. The track boys and I used to notice a car pull up frequently on the Ellerslie grounds and park under the trees seeking some privacy. I wonder if this was your mate JOT! 
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    JOT got a reaction from Gruff in Hard Luck Stories   
    In the early 90’s I been looking to buy a Ford Falcon ute and came across one at a car retail business in Auckland. I knew the car salesman from a previous place we had worked at so negotiated a price and told him I’ll collect the ute the next day. 
    When I went back to get the vehicle, the car salesman was in heavy discussion with 2 young blokes about a car they wanted to purchase. When he eventually got to me, he tells me the 2 blokes want him to hold the car till Monday and by then, they will have the money in cash to purchase it.  He asked why Monday and they said they have a horse running in the 1st at Ellerslie which will pay for the car. 
    So he tells me the horse, I look it up and it had no form, drawn wide but David Peake was on it. In the race it sat 3 and 4 wide, went to the outside rail on the turn and bolted in paying 18’s. I didn’t have a cent on it but I did tell a mate about the horse who made enough off it to leave his missus for his girlfriend (which he endlessly regales to me when drunk).
    Missed opportunity.
     
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    JOT got a reaction from Gruff in Hard Luck Stories   
    In the early 90’s I been looking to buy a Ford Falcon ute and came across one at a car retail business in Auckland. I knew the car salesman from a previous place we had worked at so negotiated a price and told him I’ll collect the ute the next day. 
    When I went back to get the vehicle, the car salesman was in heavy discussion with 2 young blokes about a car they wanted to purchase. When he eventually got to me, he tells me the 2 blokes want him to hold the car till Monday and by then, they will have the money in cash to purchase it.  He asked why Monday and they said they have a horse running in the 1st at Ellerslie which will pay for the car. 
    So he tells me the horse, I look it up and it had no form, drawn wide but David Peake was on it. In the race it sat 3 and 4 wide, went to the outside rail on the turn and bolted in paying 18’s. I didn’t have a cent on it but I did tell a mate about the horse who made enough off it to leave his missus for his girlfriend (which he endlessly regales to me when drunk).
    Missed opportunity.
     
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    JOT got a reaction from Gruff in Hard Luck Stories   
    In the early 90’s I been looking to buy a Ford Falcon ute and came across one at a car retail business in Auckland. I knew the car salesman from a previous place we had worked at so negotiated a price and told him I’ll collect the ute the next day. 
    When I went back to get the vehicle, the car salesman was in heavy discussion with 2 young blokes about a car they wanted to purchase. When he eventually got to me, he tells me the 2 blokes want him to hold the car till Monday and by then, they will have the money in cash to purchase it.  He asked why Monday and they said they have a horse running in the 1st at Ellerslie which will pay for the car. 
    So he tells me the horse, I look it up and it had no form, drawn wide but David Peake was on it. In the race it sat 3 and 4 wide, went to the outside rail on the turn and bolted in paying 18’s. I didn’t have a cent on it but I did tell a mate about the horse who made enough off it to leave his missus for his girlfriend (which he endlessly regales to me when drunk).
    Missed opportunity.
     
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    JOT got a reaction from Gruff in Hard Luck Stories   
    In the early 90’s I been looking to buy a Ford Falcon ute and came across one at a car retail business in Auckland. I knew the car salesman from a previous place we had worked at so negotiated a price and told him I’ll collect the ute the next day. 
    When I went back to get the vehicle, the car salesman was in heavy discussion with 2 young blokes about a car they wanted to purchase. When he eventually got to me, he tells me the 2 blokes want him to hold the car till Monday and by then, they will have the money in cash to purchase it.  He asked why Monday and they said they have a horse running in the 1st at Ellerslie which will pay for the car. 
    So he tells me the horse, I look it up and it had no form, drawn wide but David Peake was on it. In the race it sat 3 and 4 wide, went to the outside rail on the turn and bolted in paying 18’s. I didn’t have a cent on it but I did tell a mate about the horse who made enough off it to leave his missus for his girlfriend (which he endlessly regales to me when drunk).
    Missed opportunity.
     
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    JOT got a reaction from Gruff in Hard Luck Stories   
    In the early 90’s I been looking to buy a Ford Falcon ute and came across one at a car retail business in Auckland. I knew the car salesman from a previous place we had worked at so negotiated a price and told him I’ll collect the ute the next day. 
    When I went back to get the vehicle, the car salesman was in heavy discussion with 2 young blokes about a car they wanted to purchase. When he eventually got to me, he tells me the 2 blokes want him to hold the car till Monday and by then, they will have the money in cash to purchase it.  He asked why Monday and they said they have a horse running in the 1st at Ellerslie which will pay for the car. 
    So he tells me the horse, I look it up and it had no form, drawn wide but David Peake was on it. In the race it sat 3 and 4 wide, went to the outside rail on the turn and bolted in paying 18’s. I didn’t have a cent on it but I did tell a mate about the horse who made enough off it to leave his missus for his girlfriend (which he endlessly regales to me when drunk).
    Missed opportunity.
     
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    JOT got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in TAB First 2 Races Promotion   
    Baz your more than likely taken them for a ride (with your punting skill). Once they did the sums and banished the Product Manager who came up with the idea, they have to figure out how they can kept you in the game but tip the advantage towards them. Bail while your ahead.
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    JOT got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in TAB website down for maintenance   
    HI Baz - I ended up placing the same bet multiple times. Tried to cash out but no option. Rang and sat on the phone for 25 minutes waiting then the Chiefs game kicked off. 
    Jaguares score so I quietly hung up. Bet won. :-)
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    JOT got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in TAB website down for maintenance   
    HI Baz - I ended up placing the same bet multiple times. Tried to cash out but no option. Rang and sat on the phone for 25 minutes waiting then the Chiefs game kicked off. 
    Jaguares score so I quietly hung up. Bet won. :-)
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    JOT reacted to tripple alliance in RITA- Board   
    By far the majority of racings  joe punter are OLD , fact .
    As for your old trainer he succeeded didn't he , kept you going and you were happy to pay , well done , racing needs you , keep it up .
    It's unknown how successful this strategy will be , Winston's political decision to delay and then implement racefields has undermined the plan but judgement day will eventually arrive .
    As for the design of the crappy tab site , it's not crappy to  international punters , it's what they are used to and that's the target marked , if we were relying on NZ support we might as well close up today .
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    JOT got a reaction from Basil brush in Wasn’t the budget great for racing !!!   
    Why the Bahamas? Its over marketed, over priced, unfriendly, greed filled .. ok I see what your doing
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    JOT reacted to Blue in TRENTHAM TRACK   
    It’s taken me a while to put this tome together. It’s part experience, part observation and part opinion.
    Those farming in the Auckland or northern Waikato areas in the 50s and 60s may have come across Agronomist and farm advisor Ralph du Faur, from Papakura. My Dad sought his advice in the late 50s and though I was only about 12 years old at the time I have always remembered something he told me, have noted it over the years and found it to be particularly relevant to the state of our racetracks today. He said this: “Irrigated water comes from a well, a dam, a pond or a reservoir where it generally sits open to the sun then is pumped through a maze of pipes and sprayed onto pasture. Because of this, along the way it has lost its oxidisation and is “dead.” He likened it to flat beer. Lifeless. Sure, it keeps soil damp or moist but comparatively, the oxygen in rainfall keeps soil aerated. Debra Moss shared an historical pic recently on Facebook relating to Aussie farmers that read “despite all of our accomplishments, we owe our existence to a six inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.” Never was this more true here.
    A Racecafe post said “40 mm total in last 10 days and what is Trentham track rated - YEP - Heavy 11.” That should not be possible. In old parlance, tracks up until Easter should be somewhere between hard and fast, and easy. Those who instigated the current grading system were unaware that in rating tracks “dead” that’s exactly what they are – dead, lifeless.
     Fill your watering can and pour it on your driveway from as high as you can. It spreads in a mass then runs down the drain. Then watch what happens when it rains. The raindrops bounce because they are oxygenated and it’s this that keeps our soils aerated. Yes, we pour water on our gardens too but in spring we turn them over by spade or fork and open the soil up which realistically can’t happen to a race track. Many farmers irrigate their crops but in the process of grass to maize then back to grass, the ground is cultivated thus allowing nature to do its bit.
    Trentham was the “Champagne Turf.” It was bubbling and full of life, big crowds, big fields, best horses, fastest times. No false rails, no ‘how is the track “playing” b/s and, no irrigation and a postponed or canned meeting as rare as hen’s teeth. If it pissed with rain the track simply got deeper but racing went on and Trentham, for one, recovered to be the Champagne Turf it was always reputed to be – until irrigation. . No chance of record times on soft tracks which are now standard in summer racing. All of that is now assigned to history and for those who complain about hard summer tracks, no more horses went sore or broke down 50 years ago than do today and back then though there were fewer races, horses generally had more starts, a number of two year olds having 8, 10, 12 starts or more.
    Average NZ rainfall is around 50-odd inches (say 1200 mls). I would ascertain that irrigated tracks might get ten or twenty times this amount of ‘dead’ water poured on them. The sub-soil then becomes like a three-layer sponge where the chef has forgotten to add baking soda. Its like a bloody big layer of sodden blotting paper. Even sand-slitting has minimal effect when the sub-soil is like plasticine.
    Not being critical but do track managers ever ask themselves “Why are we irrigating? What is it we are trying to achieve?”
    As I said at the beginning, these are years of observations, generalisations and some opinion. I don’t have an answer but I would, first and foremost, stack the irrigator into the back of the shed and leave it there. I would then investigate the infusion of grass species suited to purpose of racing and in light of climatic conditions in different areas. This could even be a factor when setting racing dates too. It’s no secret that those who set the racing dates have little or no comprehension of any of these factors.
     It has taken man thirty to forty years to bugger up our racing surfaces.(a stronger term may be more appropriate).  Mother nature can fix most things so I would let her do her thing bearing in mind it may take another 30-40 years for the situation to right itself, God willing that the industry can survive for that long.
     
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    JOT got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in $50 WIN BET AT TE RAPA THIS SATURDAY MAY 4TH   
    The Garrison
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    JOT got a reaction from Black Kirrama in Name for my horse please.   
    NOLE (pronounce no-lay)
    Between 2014 and 2017 Djokovic defeated Wawrinka (2015 – semi) and Federer (2016 - semi) to win the Australian Open. Wawrinka won the final in 2014 while Federer won 2017
    Wawrinka, Federer – Swiss Ace
    2015, 2016 – Between You And Me
    NOLE is Djokovic’s nickname
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    JOT got a reaction from Black Kirrama in Trackside does it again   
    20 years ago trackside showed racing that the TAB allowed betting on. Today they still do the same. The youtube channel because it was live, offered no rehearsed segues or analytical comments, just personal opinions from those who had invested interests. Quite ground breaking I thought.
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    JOT got a reaction from Black Kirrama in Trackside does it again   
    20 years ago trackside showed racing that the TAB allowed betting on. Today they still do the same. The youtube channel because it was live, offered no rehearsed segues or analytical comments, just personal opinions from those who had invested interests. Quite ground breaking I thought.
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    JOT reacted to SneakyTrader in New FOB and Shutdown   
    Disclaimer: I work at the TAB (I won't say where other than in the capacity of a customer facing role) but I'd prefer to remain anonymous for the sake of job security.
    I'll put some points out there and let people take from it what they will:
    1) When calling up the help desk or phone bet - remember, the staff that answer the phones didn't make the choice to change the system, yelling and screaming at them along with a barrage of swearing won't magically bring back the old site or get the operator to fix something that they themselves cannot fix.
    2) The OpenBet platform is a good platform (at the core of it) but the problem is that they tried to retrofit it with the old jetbet system for backwards compatibility with the retail sites and touchtone betting along with integration with the legacy parts of the system. What they should have done was to stand back and take a big picture analysis as to the direction the betting industry is taking and develop a system that didn't require the mess of compromises. The result of what you see today and the money spent is the result of so much work being spent trying to get the new system to integrate with the old processes.
    3) With the moving of the data over to the new system they did some really stupid decisions for the sake of 'simplicity' - the new system only allows one card per account thus you cannot use the same card on more than one account which is fair enough from a fraud prevention point of view.  The problem is that when they migrated the data across it resulted in all the old accounts with the same card being used across multiple accounts also migrated across with the net result of deposits failing. Why did they do it? apparently for the sake of convenience but what is more inconvenient - spending 2 minutes to re-enter the credit card number on the account or waiting 30 minutes on hold to then having the operator trying to locate the other accounts where the credit/debit card is used? Same can be said for the race tracker - why not just get the customer to enter it again where as they're now going to spend thousands of dollars more to try and retrieve the information off the old database with no guarantee that it can be migrated - why not just start with a clean slate and get the customers to choose them again rather than promise something only to find that the end result is iffy reliability?
    4) The payment processor, IP Payments/Bambora, has always been a mess even before the change over with the constant breakdowns; the problem made worse by the fact that the system works by doing pre-authorisation, security check but the problem comes when the security check fails because what is meant to happen is a 'message' is sent back to IP Payments/Bambora to release the pre-authorisation but it doesn't resulting in people seeing money being deducted multiple times - it should drop off after 5-10 days but for the average person who needs the money for other things then the current system is unacceptable.
    5) The website itself is one of those things that one can chalk up as "sounds great in theory" but in reality it becomes "if you try to be everything to everyone the end result is no one is happy". The website is meant to scale and adapt to screen sizes hence the mobile app looks the same as the website on a mobile phone web browser when being run on the same device (I wonder whether the app itself is nothing more than a Progressive Web Application (PWA)) but when you make such a choice you end up making compromises - buttons have to be bigger because you're not only catering for mouse input but also touch screen thus the target has to be big enough for a customer to easily press. The net result is that it isn't information dense enough resulting in the inability to display the full field of runners when trying to place a racing bet resulting in time spent scrolling up and down the page. I was thinking to myself, "maybe it is great for sport but bad for racing' but even for sports it is a mess.
    6) With the attempt to be 'everything to everyone' the result is also lousy performance - it took 20-30 seconds to load up the results page for the EPL - and this is on a high end computer on a 100mbps fibre connection so it is hardly a situation where I lack the 'grunt'.
    7) One thing to keep in mind that the programmers are working on the issues but keep in mind that the original scope of the project was laid down by the TAB/NZRB - it was ultimately TAB/NZRB that chose to to do what they did.
    8) The one theme I am hearing 'on the streets' is about John Allen going on television saying, "everything is great, everything is awesome" and I can't help but be reminded of 'Baghdad Bob' with a side of 'Nero playing the fiddle as Rome burns' - the least he could have done was gone out and said, "we are aware of some teething issues and the transition wasn't as smooth as expected but we are working on addressing the sore points that our customers have provided feedback regarding..." - at least then he would win bit of a kudos for having a degree of humility but the fact that he keeps claiming everything is ok demonstrates just how out of touch he is with the day to day operations - that some how he can 'Donald Trump' his way to success by boasting benefits and ignoring the legitimate issues the customer base does have.
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    JOT got a reaction from Newmarket RC in New FOB and Shutdown   
    I was under the impression you worked in IT. If you can’t differentiate between software, infrastructure, legacy and digital platforms which is confusing by your reply, then its hard to answer your diatribe.
    I was talking about the React and Node.js software platform the new system has been developed in. It is customer focus because it is accessible via https, api’s and end points using containers. This allows it to be flexible, scalable and responsive when an end point has been updated passing messages to all subscribers to that end point. This is one of its major features. Scaling and changes are simple because there is no infrastructure, just a stop and start of the new container. It allows users from anywhere to access the platform. (This is only a small part of what it can do)
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    JOT got a reaction from 47South in Ellerslie's Back!!!   
    Some great riding by Opie and Leith today. Gives me confidence to back the good ones on a nice track. Well done Ellerslie.
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    JOT got a reaction from 47South in Ellerslie's Back!!!   
    Some great riding by Opie and Leith today. Gives me confidence to back the good ones on a nice track. Well done Ellerslie.
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    JOT got a reaction from 47South in Ellerslie's Back!!!   
    Some great riding by Opie and Leith today. Gives me confidence to back the good ones on a nice track. Well done Ellerslie.
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    JOT got a reaction from Phantom in TAB Site down ( again)   
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