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I'm not saying they are pulling the horse up or trying to just run places, but it just shows that sometimes a horse that just isn't quite good enough to win early on can be a lot better for a horses earning ability. So often you see horses win early on and struggle for the rest of their time to earn a cheque. Then all off sudden they end up racing for less than what they were as a maiden. With the new points systems stakes should be increased slightly for  each points range. Not decreased because you've gone up in points 

Why would you want to win a maiden trot at Auckland? Looking at races 8 and 11 this Friday at Auckland . You could try and place be somewhat unlucky week in week out and get the percetages from a $12k race or win and then end up racing c1-3 horses for a stake of $7500, harder field less money. Happens so often even if they are conditioned horses they should never race for less money than maidens. It just makes no sense to win and go up a grade to race harder horses for less money. Two horses to compare sea eyre 22 starts 1 win 3 placings $12k in earnings Hasn't placed since it won a maiden. And gotta go twinkle 23 starts no wins 7 placings $17k in stakes. And pick up a cheque most weeks. Some would debate that onces it does win one the cheques may come at a slower rate in the next grade up. 

I know this is outside the square but I am always surprised the fields aren't smaller and run in heats like the Little Brown Jug.
I have been to Ashburton and love it as a mile racing track, but see no sense in having a race loaded with horses with no chance at all and only getting in the way. Small fields and heats or  the cream de la cream only. And yes I have had a horse running in a jewels but personally if I didn't think it was up to it I would say so. 
Mile racing is exciting presented in the correct way

absolutely right

The 2yo fillies race must've been short on numbers to get a full feild. As the conditions for stake earn to get in jewels are stakes in the five places but there's two horses in the race one start each both ran 6th . Have hrnz just ask anybody else who was keen if the wanted to start.  I had herd they had rung a few trainers trying to get a full feild. Fair enough to the owners having a horse in the jewels But these two horses werent even in the top 50 stake earners of the 2yo fillies. They should've just gone with a smaller feild as It's still a group one race which is really for the elite horses  just asking anyone if they want to line up isnt good for the profile surely. We don't want to see horses  starting to drop of at the 800m mark ,I could be wrong and they could go a blinding race but earning $150 and $86 dollars shouldn't get you into a group one race 

Who knows and Brodie .this is Andrew Stuart why don't one of you two claim him and then put him in anyone's name you like! Instead of ranting on here.clearly you 2 have no idea! FYI I was in Blenheim and the only reason he went back north was for a suitable race for him there is NI grass track races for him in Auckland that he is eligible for why wouldn't I take advantage of them!

There is a big difference between team driving and sensible driving. I cannot recall any team driving done by allstars, dunns, abernathys etc as opposed to the blantant use of one horse to kill an opponent as was practiced by the purdons versus dillon dean, franco ice, and the bru zar. To me team driving is when one horse is purposed used to help an opponent e.g. in geoff smalls hayday.
The only time I can recall allstars maybe doing this was with border control in the northern derby - but that could be just put down to a bad drive as well.

Probably was a set up , then again looking through videos of bennyandthejets Last 10 starts on hrnz website everytime hes drawn front line he leads and has  handed up to a horse that has stayed infront until the straight. He might be a better follower as i havent seen him lead throughout much if at all. But it does look like to have driven the horse exactly the same way every start when draws front line So not change of tactics was it? But then again your probably right and they probably made a killing off the result ? 

The quarter was 29.2 when mark took the lead . If she parks mark then Blair would be going for parked position which mark wouldn't hand up so there be more pressure and probly have to run a 28 quarter to hold him out. Which means nat would have to be running to stay in front. It not like she swung back in the cart waiting for it , mark seen Blair coming  3wide and decided to press forward . Initially mark looked happy to site parked until he see the 3wide like coming. Stil think best horse won and would've won sitting parked

The quarter was 29.2 when mark took the lead . If she parks mark then Blair would be going for parked position which mark wouldn't hand up so there be more pressure and probly have to run a 28 quarter to hold him out. Which means nat would have to be running to stay in front. It not like she swung back in the cart waiting for it , mark seen Blair coming  3wide and decided to press forward . Initially mark looked happy to site parked until he see the 3wide like coming. Stil think best horse won and would've won sitting parked

The quarter was 29.2 when mark took the lead . If she parks mark then Blair would be going for parked position which mark wouldn't hand up so there be more pressure and probly have to run a 28 quarter to hold him out. Which means nat would have to be running to stay in front. It not like she swung back in the cart waiting for it , mark seen Blair coming  3wide and decided to press forward . Initially mark looked happy to site parked until he see the 3wide like coming. Stil think best horse won and would've won sitting parked

So why not put him on k d hall and Celtic warrior.?
 

Okay we get it you don't like him... do you really need to keep going on and on... he is the caller thats his style if you don't like it turn the volume down and call them yourself.... I am sure you could do a better job...

I couldn't see it not improving, they are a country mile ahead of any other trainer in Australasia.

A poor drive on this horse today by Peter Ferguson.
He is tough as old nails this horse and has been superbly driven his last 3 starts being taken to the front and running them into the ground.
Today Peter Ferguson tried to drive him like a sit-sprinter and he just whacked away.
Looking at Peter Fergusons stats he is having his worst ever season, and is slowly driving less and less winners.
Once upon a time he had a great reputation of putting his horses in the race and giving them every chance, maybe it's an age thing but he is quite a weak driver now and drives like the rest of them, sits back and tries to run past the whole field.
The Abernathys are the best drivers around the C.D by a country mile as they put their horses in the race, I've got no doubt this horse would have won today had one of them been on it.

No one could have foreseen Tiger getting " colty "  and ever  being led into trouble by  balls,  other than the small white ones   If he'd been gelded when at the top of his form,  it would never have reached such decline.  

I will try and answer your questions Brodie.
"Why would I need to go to the police?" Because if what you are suggesting is correct,it involves many millions of dollars. Not just your punting dollars but an entire industry. If it's reasonable to use a website to suggest a leading stable is involved in widespread cheating / fraud then surely it's reasonable to take those claims to the Police to investigate.
"All I know is that no stable could be so dominant and have so many champions continuously without doing something different to every other stable in NZ" Yes,you are correct Brodie. The stake money and group ones collected prove they are doing something different to every other stable in NZ. Why does that have to be a bad thing?
."Why doesn't everyone give their horses to All Stars?" Because Mark Purdon does not generally take on other trainers hand me downs. His master plan involves his owners breeding for him and himself buying high quality,high value yearlings and putting them through his program. He culls out any not up to his high standards and expectations fairly quickly. Taking on 5,6 and 7 year old claimers from other stables is not his way or style. There are enough trainers fighting over the scraps with those types of horses already.
Do you have any evidence at all Brodie that the All Stars are the biggest cheats in world sport at this time? 

They are as professional as anyone could be , trained to the minute and set or big races, I don't there will ever be a trainer as good as mark. It's amazing the attention to detail the have. They have more horses go thru the barn that everyother stable and if they dont meet his standard they are quickly reamoved .Everyone says horses drop away when change stables but really mark only gets rid of them when he knows they either have reach their mark, tired horses or aren't up to the stardard they've set anymore. Look at a horse like follow the stars freakish 2yo great 3yo but ran in to have faith in me and in the end was burnt out, but mark got the bestout of him for as long as he could.   It's a shame to see racing has gone this way where there's  so much money for youngs ones trainers are forced to push horses to the limits so early and burn horses out to a point where after 1 or 2 season the horse are burnt out.mark knows the racing game inside out and does the best for the owners to maximase returns , he's adjusted   From the old way of waiting for The open class type as even tho theres good money for grand circuit races  the wait isn't worth it for a lot of horses. He knows which ones will go through to the top level and let's them get there without pushing them to early alot of his best ones dont race much or even at all as 2yos auckland reactor adore me  started  as 3yo have faith in me only two 2yo starts but a lot of the others like almost all his 2yos from previous seasons are horses he know can win plenty of races and money as 2 and 3yo then they are finished. If the stakes for racing changed to say
2yo races max 50k 
3yo max 100k 
And the open class races like the Hannon  mamorial , flying stakes easter Cupand all the open class races where 100k plus Im sure mark would adjust have 5-6 great older horses each season. The way the stakes and Ahrnz have turn racing intoHussle and bustle early for the big money game Mark is just a class above over everyone else and good luck to him it's great to see so many good horses breaking records so often

How will the doubt over the questions being asked ever be resolved?  As good as harness racing is the last thing the game needs is a them and us divisive issue undermining what most believe are magnificent ground breaking achievements. How would Sir Ed Hillary have felt after climbing Mount Everest if you had a bunch of people undermining his achievement the next day? Sir Ed didn't really climb Mount Everest at all. He actually climbed Mount Eden and then photo shopped the pics. God only knows how Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin of Apollo 11 feel every time they hear about how the moon landing never actually occurred. It was all done with mirrors in a film studio. How about the 911 victims and their loved ones? It wasn't Bin Laden and co who killed them. It was actually their own Government to justify their own agenda. Cough cough.  
Let's imagine we are dealing with an audience that don't even know what harness racing is so have no bias.
In the blue corner pardon the pun you have the supporters of the All Stars. They are convinced everything is above board and we are all witnessing the evolution of a sport. How frustrating for them to witness those seeing red in the red corner questioning and undermining the ground breaking achievements of the All Stars.  On the other hand,how are they going to feel if a headline comes out in future saying " All of the All Stars stable runners have tested positive to the highly effective P.E.D bla bla bla".
Then you have the red corner. They are unable to appreciate and enjoy the magnificent performances of the All Stars as they are convinced something is rotten in Denmark and the maths don't add up. What will convince them otherwise? A headline that reads?  "Worlds best experts on doping are 100% certain the All Stars are NOT using ANY P.E.D" Would the doubters believe that or just feel it's part of the conspiracy to cover up the highly dubious actions of the All Stars? How much were the experts paid to give such a glowing endorsement of the All Stars? Do they have shares in any All Stars runners?
How do we put a stop to all this bullshit?
At present it seems to me the only way is for the All Stars runners to start getting rolled in all the feature races. Then what? The stables beating them are all using P.E.D?

They are as professional as anyone could be , trained to the minute and set or big races, I don't there will ever be a trainer as good as mark. It's amazing the attention to detail the have. They have more horses go thru the barn that everyother stable and if they dont meet his standard they are quickly reamoved .Everyone says horses drop away when change stables but really mark only gets rid of them when he knows they either have reach their mark, tired horses or aren't up to the stardard they've set anymore. Look at a horse like follow the stars freakish 2yo great 3yo but ran in to have faith in me and in the end was burnt out, but mark got the bestout of him for as long as he could.   It's a shame to see racing has gone this way where there's  so much money for youngs ones trainers are forced to push horses to the limits so early and burn horses out to a point where after 1 or 2 season the horse are burnt out.mark knows the racing game inside out and does the best for the owners to maximase returns , he's adjusted   From the old way of waiting for The open class type as even tho theres good money for grand circuit races  the wait isn't worth it for a lot of horses. He knows which ones will go through to the top level and let's them get there without pushing them to early alot of his best ones dont race much or even at all as 2yos auckland reactor adore me  started  as 3yo have faith in me only two 2yo starts but a lot of the others like almost all his 2yos from previous seasons are horses he know can win plenty of races and money as 2 and 3yo then they are finished. If the stakes for racing changed to say
2yo races max 50k 
3yo max 100k 
And the open class races like the Hannon  mamorial , flying stakes easter Cupand all the open class races where 100k plus Im sure mark would adjust have 5-6 great older horses each season. The way the stakes and Ahrnz have turn racing intoHussle and bustle early for the big money game Mark is just a class above over everyone else and good luck to him it's great to see so many good horses breaking records so often

Strange that the only 2 races that were run at a decent tempo last night were the 2 races that the Purdons quinelled, the Oaks and the 2yr old race.
They are there to win and know that their horses are hard and fit, and by running along at a strong tempo they simply were too fit for their rivals who just go around week to week dawdling and sprinting up the straight.
I think you will see this pay dividends in the cup next week as well, Hughie Green had nothing more than a jog around and a wee dash up the straight last night, they obviously didn't want to win last night after he handed up meekly and I thought being such a big beast of a horse he might have wanted a decent hit out, that might be telling next week!
Good on the Purdons, they aren't there to muck around!!

You think you do but that does not make it true.

Easy way to put this to bed John. You asked who JT was, and he told you.
Just tell us who you are and this is all finished.
Then we can all just talk horses.

With a one day only meeting for a few of the regular south island trainers it's not worth coming coming up. It's not the only worry tho look at the poor field sizes for the Auckland premier meeting. 

put on a 20k claiming race at Auckland - that would bring a few out of the woodwork and be a better betting race than most of the other races on the card.claimers up to 12k .
 
cost the same (probably more) to train them than have faith in me.