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Has Heaven Rocks lined up anywhere as yet?
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On 1 April 2018 at 5:24 PM, poundforpound said:
I won’t engage with you lot but I will guarantee you this, if you’ve slandered the Dunn’s and told lies we’re coming for you, and I mean it.
Start shitting yourselves now, or start apologising Majestic, Hunterthepunter, Portfolio, Wannebearacafer, Brodie and others.....
P4P if my posts have caused offence then I have no problem apologising as my issue is with the RIU. Integrity is fundamental to the industry and I believe inconsistency and lack of transparency compromises this significantly. That is what I've tried to convey; however if my posts are inaccurate or inappropriate and have misrepresented anyone then I genuinely apologise for being in the wrong.
As previously posted, all I want is to have a level playing field - where all participants can expect to be treated with consistency. Possibly a naive view but I don't think an unreasonable one to strive for. I don't apologise for wanting improvement and accountability from the professional bodies, but will use more appropriate channels to convey this going forward.
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"This investigation unfortunately became public knowledge prior to the RIU visit to the Dunn stable at Woodend Beach. This “leak” was also investigated and found to have come from an overheard telephone conversation between two RIU staff members which was inadvertently overheard due to the “Bluetooth” capability of his vehicle whilst parked at the Rangiora Raceway. This has been dealt with internally"
Sheer incompetence!
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One could easily be excused for thinking this is an early April fools joke. The JCA report paints the RIU in an exceptionally poor light. Interesting the JCA challenged the RIU to clarify their rationale for the original suggested penalty, and subsequently observed the RIU submission was "disproportionate to penalties applied for similar" offending.
Curious that the RIU's position was they were unable to rule out nobbling, despite no evidence (including investigation by a member of the CIB); yet they were conclusively able to rule out administration due to a lack of supporting evidence. There appears to be little consistency in the decision making &/or favour being afforded to certain stables.
The license holders subjected to the malicious, libellous accusations, and other trainers recently charged with presentation under rule 1004 should be feeling very aggrieved by this outcome.
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6 hours ago, Fartoomuch said:12 hours ago, LongOwner said:
"They had a little caffeine - your god had blue magic" "don't be clever as you will come second !!!"
When was the blue magic scandal? Weren't all involved parties charged, fined, suspended at the time (years ago)?
LongOwner your loyalty to your stable is commendable; but it's a fact they have a recent record of dubious raceday practices. Non accountability, finger pointing and the favour they appear to carry with those in high places leaves a very sour taste with many participants.
You may be comfortable with 'a little caffine'. As owners we want our horses competing on a level playing field within the rules and as such find attitudes like this a bloody disgrace!
- Lee270744, Iraklis and Fartoomuch
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On 14 February 2018 at 6:09 PM, Shad said:
Was surprised that the half brother to ultimate machete go for a bargin price, i personally thought he would top the sale, who would want to breed horses.
He was a lovely colt but from memory was very big, much like UM. Most of the money comes for those that have the page and type to make natural 2yos.
On 15 February 2018 at 7:44 PM, Fartoomuch said:You have to give credit Mick with his comments about the sales and lack of new owners etc on the Box Seat.
We are young (ish) owners but decided against buying any at the sales this year. Main reasons - we don't feel there's a level playing field for all participants and a number of key administrators appear more interested in furthering their own interests than doing what's best for the future of the game. We'll focus on current horses and watch on with interest, but there will need to be changes before we buy or breed again. Hard to bring friends on the journey in the current environment - they think we're mad and probably right!
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4 hours ago, Portfolio said:
We still waiting for drug case to be sorted, you know, the one where people sneak around drugging other stable runners, making them run faster???
Interesting Brosnan case is completed already, despite positives being well after the Nelson ones. Maybe due to cobalt being more at the top end of the spectrum than caffeine? However this was a first for the stable so again begs the question why some participants appear to get favours?
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will be on the outside of the gate once the emergencies come out
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27 minutes ago, LongOwner said:
How is the Natalie half carting cheating drive appeal going ?
And there's still the elephant in the room that neither HRNZ or the RIU seem willing to put to bed....
Both stables should currently be on 47 wins apiece. Rule 1004 is black & white re presenting horses to race free from prohibited substances and regardless of extenuating circumstances or investigations the horses that returned positives in Nelson should have been relegated! Larsen, Dalgety etc must be furious at the inconsistency - both were charged, their horses put out and in one case a significant fine, though it was acknowledged throughout that neither trainer was at fault. We either have rules or we don't; discretion should be applied when deciding penalties but not in deciding whether (or not) to enforce the rules. If this was in Aussie, or a involving a hobby trainer there is no doubt the outcome would have been very different.
All Stars come into their own as the juvenile racing ramps up but it looks like the Dunn stable also have some quality horsepower, plus plenty of nice horses to race on the circuits & undercards. Each stable appears to have very loyal owners, so while their approach may be quite different they're both on the money meeting the needs of their clients. Both have large syndicates, providing low cost options to introduce new owners to harness racing and should be applauded for their initiative. Trainers and drivers premierships could both end up being very close and competitive this season!
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13 minutes ago, Brodie said:
Can’t see them moving to Oz permanently although they may set up a satellite stable like Mark jones has.
They have got too many loyal NZ owners that want to be able to watch their horses in NZ rather than Oz
Good point.
Iraklis I was merely speculating re move - no facts behind my statement above. Don't get me wrong I love watching their horses go around too, though we don't like competing against them so much!
Rolleston is expanding rapidly with subdivisions and infrastructure - All stars are in a prime location right on the town boundary. That land on Levi Rd will be worth a fortune for development in future... Very clever foresight whoever decided to set up shop there.
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On 21 December 2017 at 5:25 PM, Kotare_Hunter said:
But the decision on whether to charge the Dunns has been delayed for two weeks after Robert Dunn requested more time for a private investigator he has enlisted to complete his own inquiries.
So it's almost been 3 weeks & still nothing... Are we surprised??
Its a concern how drawn out this investigation has been (whatever the specifics & outcome). Far from upholding the integrity of the industry, the lack of transparency and inaction has allowed the rumour mill to flourish and had the opposite effect! One can't help but wonder how this would differ if it was a small player...
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4 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said:
Well put happy, its just a debate and everyone has their own opinion....just wonder what will happen when all stars shift to Australia permanently with the odd raid back to nz for jewels day
Didn't Mark plan to shift to Oz a few years back, or was it a second barn to compliment Rolleston - can't recall the details or why it never eventuated? With the money on offer in NSW metro meetings and large owner base surely they would have entertained the thought... Butt & Jones teams appear to be going good over there so far, getting low handicaps & some easy kills
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1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said:
Certainly has and I am not intending for it to be brought up again.
Anything that harness needs to clean up?
Does harness have an issue with horses who are past their use by date?
Just wondering as nothing obvious sticks out.
The length of time & lack of transparency when investigating issues such as positives, and the perception of protection afforded to certain participants for mine....
There's always more that can be done to address wastage, but there are some fantastic rehoming groups and individuals doing a great job with finished horses so there are plenty of good examples out there. HRNZ and the breeders are getting beind events and starting to promote the life after racing message which is also positive. Of course not all horses (or dogs) are suitable for rehoming which is a hard pill to swallow for certain welfare groups.
- Emotive and Happy Sunrise
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Agree with 2Piper, unfortunately most new sires don't get a look in at the sales which makes it very hard for them to get established.
In saying that there's a lot to like about Creatine. The fact that he raced on as an older horse and was competitive in Europe appeals. He was sound, sensible and versatile and is an impressive individual in the flesh. Nevele R has priced him fairly to get a good book - hopefully he does the job and leaves nice types.
Majestic Son can throw some big horses and there have been a few with hock issues, though plenty also get up and go early. If your mare is big and burly might pay to discuss further with people who've bred a few mares to him for their opinion.
Majestic Son is a no for me as he doesn't suit my mares and I have a preference for the Andover Hall progeny, but that's just personal opinion.
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1 hour ago, Brodie said:
Alan Edge if he was driving in the best interests of the owner, trainer and punter would have handed up, and I am pretty sure that he would have won, and yet nothing has been said there in the JCA report
Who on earth would hand to a horse that's sat parked and had an absolute gutbuster Brodie? It was never going to take him to the lane & not really in the best interests of the owner, trainer and punter to be carted back to last by a horse out on its feet...
- westview, Varro and Kotare_Hunter
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14 hours ago, Shad said:
Is it any worse look for racing than a positive swab, few of them around from time to time, all accidental of course, i wonder why they bother with the amateur races or even having betting on them, real harsh and i think more leniency should be shown.
Should he be penalised for a poor drive - yes ... but this appears OTT compared with penalties for other indiscretions.
Interference extinguishing the chances of other runners (sometimes placing horses and drivers at risk of injury) gets treated with leniency in comparison. You could argue the detrimental effect on a horse, connections and punter perception is far higher. As for positive swabs.... If the RIU took any longer to investigate they'd become cold cases. The lack of transparency and inconsistency applied to penalties is appalling.
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6 hours ago, LongOwner said:
At HRNZ AGM the trainers representatives should we removed from the board and put on notice re slander and unprofessional conduct.
Longowner you appear to hold a very embittered view towards trainers. Making blanket reference to selfish, classless rabble and accusations of slander and unprofessionalism.... Heard of the pot calling the kettle black?
At least these "outspoken" trainers are being proactive and trying to strive for ongoing improvements instead of just accepting the status quo. Perhaps going forward the approach could be more unified.
And let's face it, there are a few on the board at HRNZ that could do with a shake up... Perform and deliver results or move on.
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Really depends on the time elapsed post race before the vet checked the horse out. If the horse had been washed, cooled out, had a drink etc it may well have returned to a normalised rate and the vet can presumably only report on what they see at the time as they're reporting in a professional capacity. Happened with one of ours several years ago that had breathing issues, the vet was busy with others that required more urgent treatment and by the time he got to ours he was basically back to normal.
Contradictory maybe, but no great conspiracy
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2 hours ago, Brodie said:
Basil, apparently that is the good word, that motels are going there.
Would be pretty popular I would say especially with all the concerts etc. 30 seconds walk away.
I thought it was down where the old stables were, though could be wrong?
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Geez some of you must be fun at parties
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On 20 March 2017 at 9:08 PM, Thejanitor said:
How do you know that Christen Me will not be treated well in the U.S.? You are all making wild assumptions about the fate of the horse. In my opinion, he will be better looked after in the U.S. than he is now. In the States each horse has a personal groom to tend to them. Also as they race over a mile in the U.S. the training and racing regime will also be easier on the horse.
I don't think anyone's insinuating that he won't be well cared for by his new trainer or while racing (well I certainly wasn't). It's more around the uncertainty of what happens to him in a foreign country when they finally call it a day. Like it or not people follow top horses and take an interest in their careers. I think it's great so many people care what happens to him, if nobody was bothered I would be more concerned.
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IMO horses that retire sound & have a good nature deserve a life after racing. Champions like Christen Me are in a different league in that they've earned their retirement.
I always slow down past a large paddock in West Melton to catch a glimpse of the occupants. Lyell Creek, Take a Moment, can't recall the others - such a great sight to see these old warriors happy and obviously very well cared for.
- Taku Umanga, Slim Dusty, stu.b and 3 others
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Looks that way JackSprat. Already a big seller to Oz, perhaps will retain more of the good ones to race over there under NZ ownership. Either way is looking after his owners which is commendable in this climate, but it would be an utter waste to lose a trainer of his horsepower to our industry altogether.
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Speed and class aside, one of the things that gives their horses an edge is their ability to do a power of work during a race and still run on at the end. Tough horses usually do well on grass. Based on their racing patterns you would think they may have picked up a few more?
As an aside interested to see Benicio sold - I may be wrong but understood that of late horses that are moved on go to Oz or finished. He always looked like a nice horse, hopefully he can do a good job for new connections.
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Fair point Jess, 'going forward' is vomitous and beige... I'm trying to take more care with my choice of words but it's hard not to be too fluffy.
What I should have rounded out with is something along the lines of 'but I'll just keep my trap shut and opinions to myself...'