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To be fair, I've never been a fan of 2yrold racing, but that's just my opinion,  I have an interest in a modestly bred rising 5yr old, sire leaves stayers, dam won over ground, he has been well feed, broken in and hopefully be mentally and physically developed, if we get to the races the rest will be up to him. You know the odds.

Close all these goat tracks and build one super racing centre. Build it and they will come!

Reading these comments I cant help wondering if some of you are missing the point. Punting pays for racing - no betting = no income = low stakes.
Unfortunately for clubs like Waimate as a result of only having 1 or 2 days a year its hard to punt with confidence when you dont have a good understanding of track conditions. Yesterday was rated as a Good 3 but they were running close to 1.13 + for 1200 m - really ? Even allowing for the class of horse going around that seems off.
If we want to grow turnover then we need to provide punters with racing surfaces they can bet on with confidence. Clubs like Waimate will always struggle in that regard. Inconsistent racing surfaces when you cant follow the form must end up being a turnoff for punters. Eventually they give up and spend their money on something else. This is a major issue with the problems of NZ racing, and in my view is the major factor which suggests racecourse rationalisation is essential.
That said the big clubs are not exactly showing the way forward on this issue, and need to improve dramatically. 

How much more proof do you need that restructuring is imperative , one of the reasons stakes have fallen is the bottom has been propped up at the expense of the better grades , money down the drain .
Racing must change , it's in a similar position to where movie theatres were when home video were all the rage , they restructured , went upmarket , comfortable seats , coffee and food delivered to your seat , they turned going to the movies into a desirable experience and have never looked back , it can be done but not with crap facility's in the middle of nowhere , it's time to wipe the board clean and rebuild . Do nothing and failure is guaranteed 

I will put my hand up as a lifelong National voter and someone who dislikes Winston for his usually self serving hypocrisy.  He has done more  for racing in a year than Nationals Guy and Bennett did over a decade.  I think based on recent events he should be given the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.   

For fooks sake Leo, just became the “Nikki’s of this world hang around the Viaduct, it doesn’t mean that the real people of the rest of NZ don’t know what they are talking about. 
Again for fooks sake, your mob had 9 years to fook everything up, and what a bloody good job they did. 
Lets see who gets more likes, your post above or mine!

Thank you breeder and ruby I agree with the sentiments of the family.  Exquisite Jewel foaled a beauty little brown  colt who is going and growing strong. She is my 'dream' mare  and that big step to racing. Yes i did look for the family and I hope I have found one in Grand Prospect tracing back on her family. To say I am a little bit excited in his  half siblings performance is an understatement. We can only try and try again.

If only NZB would put some of the better bred ones (Zeds’) into books one and two so that they at least get into Aussie hands. 
The “fashion” that dictates the sales company leaves a lot to be desired. 
Just saying. Liz

Outstanding hit and run Win with the mare in the peak of her powers
Great stuff Leo and the whole team Consensus

Personally  I'd would rather be in an m Pittman syndicate as above.he is a hero.
 

I'm just questioning putting them up on a pedestal.they r in it for one reason.the volume of horses syndicated by our main syndicates is pretty big
.hardly any pay their way.as soon as they have a winner the media seem to flock to them. i asked do syndicates take management fees or get a cut and also thought it was a fair question to ask them what they paid for a horse.
I guess melody belle is great example.of course the same stable paid 2.2 million for 0ne  a while ago at it won 30 bucks,don't c the media buzzing around them then. As for the rotorua winner today.i wouldn't say it was headed much further.hhope for owners I'm wrong of course. Maybe if we got dollars back to the investors compared to dollars spent my guess it would make mainzeal a better investment.
All I'm saying don't make heroes out of these guys.

I do chuckle how they Trump themselves up
.a jakleberry horse won today.75k at th ready to run.with gst  I'm guessing up to 110 to 120 k so far.probably 5k to the owners .after a training bill for the month probably in the 3 to 4 region   150 bucks every 10 percent share.i am 8nterested to know if Fortuna take a cut or do they charge a management fee. Let's hope it will excel over ground in the future.it will need to if it's going to go to pay for itself.
We all know lots unlikely any horse will pay but I'm not sure if the syndicates  should get the praise and tv exposure they do. The tv guys are all over them.
Of course never seem to ask how much they paid for them.

Interesting to see 25 broodmares in the Gavelhouse auction this week, and a good number over the last while. Although the studs like Waikato are putting a few on this site, many have notations such as "owner getting out of breeding", or "owner downsizing", or "owner has too many...." etc etc. Just another sign of the many issues surrounding racing which have been slowly accumulating for the last 30 years plus.

Labour Govts are progressive(apart from fake ones like Rogernomics).
National Govts retain the status quo,and primarily enact  legislation to enrich a minority.They are very good at embedding urban myths as to them being 'sound financial managers',and a' safe pair of hands'.Good PR and plumbing new depths in black ops are hallmarks of the last Nat Govt.
 
Most of the good things average NZ'ers enjoy,healthcare,education,minimum wage,holidays,are a result of Labour initiatives.
 
National are very good at disowning their ex leaders and P.M's...Muldoon,Bolger,Shipley...(add Key..soon) as they contour their principles  frequently to reflect popular voting patterns.

Thanks Maria. Yes I actually suggested DD to John Messara after Dundeel won his maiden at Ellerslie. 
Service fee will be determined by the market. We are fairly conservative with our pricing as we only discount for multiple bookings. Fee will be set at Easter. Plenty of water to flow under the bridge before then.
The attachment shows where Dundeel is at now compared to where Snitzel was at the same stage of his career.

Think Guillotine was exported overseas.

No bitterness, no envy, years of experience, more than grateful for my successes in the industry but fully au fait with how the "system" works , even if you are not. Seen many associates "scorched" ( Chris Cairn's words!) by the racing mafia.( In saying that it was their decision to dance with the devil).
Any forum worth a crumpet has controversy/confrontation/contrary views, but most of all informed opinion, even if it is not PC and offends some delicate petals who are not up for robust debate.

Well Scooby it is in the racing mafia's interest to have it on TV! It is not there for any altruistic reasons, it is a business decision and besides it gives polis (Peters, Collins, Bennet all spotted there today) a chance to ponce around, eat and drink at other's expense, and pretend they are interested in the welfare of the racing community.
It is basically a wank-fest for a privileged local few who trade amongst themselves, probably pay no sales commissions, and get dribbled over by Rodley, KFE and the other sycophants.( Would love the consummate professional Sheldon Murtha to be fronting the telecast) Why was Leo not sought out after his purchases so that he could drop a few expletives on how he outbid the hierarchy? JMO also.
BTW, the true heart of the Sales will be Books 2 &3 where the toilers of racing will present their stock who have been excluded from Book One, not because of conformation, pedigree or honest endeavour, but because they are not considered part of racing royalty.
PS-interesting that out of nearly 300 Lots, only 17 went to HK, 4 to Singapore and 1 to China. Must be a massive increase in local stakes coming.

Seems like it could be an interesting story this one. Any one that knows Wayne should encourage him to come on here and tell us a bit about him. Maybe how he come to own him, how many mares he has been serving and what he is like as a stallion. It could convert to a few bookings!
 
 

Also I doubt much wrong with his conformation - he was a 360k yearling and was in line to run in The Cup before injury

I have never seen the  horse, but I do recall he went to Paxton Park when first at stud and talk was for him to be successful he will have to do it the hard way, with runners,  it certainly helps to be at an established farm so...maybe not able to attract good mares ....maybe they just need time that nobody in this game seems to give anymore.
Arion says 49 foals, 22 runners, 8 winners, 17 wins not updated with todays winner yet.
I'm sure someone will shed more light on this who knows the horse 

Congrats to Team Pitman and what a great way to start 2019 after the year Michael has last year. Congrats from everyone here at Racecafe.

better entertainment than reality TV!!!
 

I'm of the belief that ratings are in two parts. The first is the official rating (Timeform or Racing Post will do). Then I look to see the best single performance because that is the rating that is their best performance unless the rater has got it wrong. The ratings I have provided are the latter. 
The problem that I have is that even though a champion in New Zealand, many of our horses are inferior to those in other markets. Super Easy and Darci Brahma are two examples of those stallions. Due to franking their form, their official ratings are average in relation to what stallion material should be. The interesting thing is that their progeny are following the same path. Although stakes winners are plentiful of the breed in NZ, when they compete in a competitive market like Australia they get rolled. The "breed shaper" Darci Brahma's progeny couldn't get to the top over there. Neither could Volksraad, where he is a multiple champion stallion but in Aussie just OK.
We're lucky to have Savabeel and Tavistock. They were proven in those racing markets and had good ratings. Gone are the days where a half brother to a champion make it as a stallion. The competition has moved on. That is why the likes of Almanzor need to be embraced. They rarely come here. When they do (Montjeu, High Chapparal etc) we do well. Note they are both stayers.
Our breeders have lost their way but our administrators are at fault. We do not have a staying program. We have lost our edge because of it. If the NZRB and the NZTR don't get together and develop this program, they all need sacking.

Yes. Instead of trips to the Arc, useless Conferences in China or some other irrelevant place (as far as NZ Racing is concerned). They should go to Sunshine Coast and have a look at the set up. It’s very very customer orientated. Forget Flemington, Moonee Valley and Caulfield. They have no relevance to NZ racing imho. As far as track and facility development goes, Sunshine Coast is a must visit. It may not completely suit NZ weather patterns, but it will show what can be done to make the race experience an enjoyable one for patrons. Below is a Birdseye map of the layout - for your interest.