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Sorry to hear this. Played rep schoolboy rugby with Patrick. Condolences to all his immediate family and the wider Myers family.
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In my opinion it was a good article. Let’s face it, if he had been a perfect child the article wouldn’t have been written. The media need a ‘story’ and this is a good one with a sensible message about needing to knuckle down to turn your life around.
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This month's Gavelhouse auction is for mares not in foal, but the notes made against the mares indicate they will be selling all - maybe not all through Gavelhouse, ie "This is the 1st of 6 broodmares not in foal that we offer as part of our complete dispersal sale". This notation looks like it means all are being sold. Will be interesting to see. In any event, it is sad to see this happening to our industry.
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Interesting to see from my original post detailing the likely cost/benefit ratio for Dan Myers horses at the May weanling sale, that this weeks Gavelhouse on-line auction features a number of Dan's mares for sale, and advises that this will be a complete dispersal of his mares. If a knowledgeable person like Dan can't justify continuing breeding, then what hope is there for the industry?
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And it wasn't born with two heads or five legs! I guess using a human comparison it is your grandmother on your paternal side and your great grandmother on your maternal side being the same person. As humans we are (or were?) allowed to marry first cousins - and often did when communities were isolated and insular, maybe this equine cross isn't that close, however, I wouldn't personally breed horses this close. What do others think?
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Great, thanks Gubes. I was talking to Peter (Meynell) about this a while ago, and he remembered it well. That would have to be one of the largest dividends ever in NZ I would think. Does anyone know of any which were larger than $348?. At that money, you would think only a couple of people would have backed him!
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Gubes, on a related note, you may be able to find this one for me - goes way back to the 1970s. A two year old called Monrana (hope I have the spelling correct!) - by Monitor I think, won at massive odds in the CD, ridden by P Meynell.
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Exactly Ethereal, he is a very good judge of horse flesh, and great opportunities if you are buying because, as you say, his broodmare band is pretty good. From a selling point of view, with Dan's lifetime dealing with horses and his knowledge of horse flesh, if he can't even get the service fee back from thirteen of his nineteen lots, what chance is there for any breeders other than those owning group winning mares, or the studs with the stallion?
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4 hours ago, gubellini said:
La Zip substantially lower circulation figures in NZ may be the reason for the cover price discrepancies.
That is almost certainly correct La Zip. It is also one reason we have more expensive building costs (only two major players), and more expensive food (again, only two major players). There are advantages to living in a beautiful country with a low population, but economies of scale isn't one of them!
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49 minutes ago, Breeder said:
No fitzy, you have it wrong with regard Dan Myers. He has said publicly that he made a conscious decision a few years ago to sell all his young stock as weanlings after several years of not doing so well selling yearlings. It would appear this year has not been so good for him ( but not a lose) but he has done really well with that decision in the last couple of years.
You are correct breeder. I understand this is his total breeding crop, so no way is it a "cull" sale. I would think that apart from the two lots which sold well above the service fee, he will however, be considering his options for next year!
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That's "Dan", not Dam - God damn it!
Dam Myers is a very astute person and a dedicated horseman, so it's good to see him supporting the sale with all his weanlings being sold. He is also one of the few bigger breeders with no stallion, and his broodmare band is of reasonably good quality, so I thought it would be interesting to make up a table of his sales and compare just the service fees of the applicable stallions in 2016:
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4 hours ago, bazach said:
Eulogy, Belle family, Entreaty ( dam of Phar Lap and ancestress of Sublime), maybe the “Heights” family????
that's Sunline - not sublime - bloody spell check!
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Dam Myers is a very astute person and a dedicated horseman, so it's good to see him supporting the sale with all his weanlings being sold. He is also one of the few bigger breeders with no stallion, and his broodmare band is of reasonably good quality, so I thought it would be interesting to make up a table of his sales and compare just the service fees of the applicable stallions in 2016:
Lot number
Sale price
Sire
Service fee 2016 (app)
79
14,000
Por Moi
17,500
89
85,000
Press Statement
16,500
110
2,000
Power
8,000
145
14,000
Sweynesse
6,000
155
3,000
Power
8,000
190
170,000
Written Tycoon
49,500
196
7,000
Reliable Man
17,500
204
1,000
Sacred Falls
30,000
210
2,000
Jimmy Choux
5,000
225
1,000
Dalghar
8,000
230
22,000
Ocean Park
30,000
231
5,000
Showcasing
15,000
239
2,000
Proisir
7,000
279
45,000
Mongolian Khan
10,000
281
10,000
Sacred Falls
30,000
296
8,000
Iffraaj
17,500
304
54,000
So You Think
49,500
316
1,500
Contributer
12,500
332
14,000
Zacinto
10,000
19 lots sold
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$460,500
Total =
$347,500
The question I'm asking is, is the amount of the 113k 'surplus' enough to cover all other expenses and make him want to continue down the line of selling all his stock as weanlings? He did very well with lot 190, ie made more than the 113k on this one lot, - and also with lot 89, but in total thirteen of the lots sold for LESS than their service fee, and only six sold for more than their service fee.
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Miss Distinction - by Bletchencore, was a one race winner herself, but has left a couple of great stakes winning offspring by less high profile sires, Miss Jessie Jay by Spectacular Phantom, and Gee I Jane by Jahafil. She also produced The Silencer Sir by Istadaad to win nine races, plus a number of other minor winners. She was born in 1991 and had her last foal, a Super Easy colt, in 2014.
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Here is a pedigree back to generation five showing no duplications:
WOOTTON BASSETT (GB)
b. 2008IFFRAAJ (GB)
b. 2001ZAFONIC (USA)
b. 1990GONE WEST (USA)
br. 1984 [IC]MR. PROSPECTOR (USA) b. 1970 [BC] SECRETTAME (USA) ch. 1978 ZAIZAFON (USA)*
ch. 1982THE MINSTREL (CAN) ch. 1974 MOFIDA (GB) ch. 1974 * PASTORALE (GB)
ch. 1988NUREYEV (USA)
b. 1977 [C]NORTHERN DANCER (CAN) b. 1961 [BC] SPECIAL (USA) b. 1969 * PARK APPEAL (IRE)
dkb/br. 1982AHONOORA (GB) ch. 1975 BALIDARESS (IRE) gr. 1973 * BALLADONIA (GB)
b. 1996PRIMO DOMINIE (GB)
dkb/br. 1982DOMINION (GB)
b. 1972DERRING-DO (GB) b. 1961 PICTURE PALACE (GB) b. 1961 SWAN ANN (GB)
ch. 1971MY SWANEE (GB) gr. 1963 ANNA BARRY (GB) ch. 1964 SUSQUEHANNA DAYS (USA)
b. 1990CHIEF'S CROWN (USA)
b. 1982 [IS]DANZIG (USA) b. 1977 [IC] SIX CROWNS (USA) ch. 1976 * GLIDING BY (USA)
b. 1975TOM ROLFE (USA) b. 1962 [CP] KEY BRIDGE (USA) b. 1959 * DARKOVA (USA)
ch. 2008MARIAS MON (USA)
gr. 1993WAVERING MONARCH (USA)
b. 1979MAJESTIC LIGHT (USA)
b. 1973MAJESTIC PRINCE (USA) ch. 1966 IRRADIATE (USA) gr. 1966 UNCOMMITTED (USA)*
b. 1974BUCKPASSER (USA) b. 1963 [C] LADY BE GOOD (USA) b. 1956 * CARLOTTA MARIA (USA)
gr. 1984CARO (IRE)
gr. 1967 [IC]FORTINO (FR) gr. 1959 CHAMBORD (GB) ch. 1955 WATER MALONE (USA)
gr. 1974NASKRA (USA) b. 1967 GRAY MATTER (USA) gr. 1966 DARKARA (IRE)
b. 2001HALLING (USA)
ch. 1991DIESIS (GB)
ch. 1980SHARPEN UP (GB) ch. 1969 [BC] DOUBLY SURE (GB) b. 1971 DANCE MACHINE (GB)
b. 1982GREEN DANCER (USA) br. 1972 NEVER A LADY (IRE) ch. 1974 DARALBAYDA (IRE)
b. 1993DOYOUN (IRE)
b. 1985MILL REEF (USA) b. 1968 [CS] DUMKA (FR) b. 1971 * DARALINSHA (USA)
b. 1984EMPERY (USA) b. 1973 DARAZINA (FR) b. 1979 -
Interesting pedigree. There are no 'double-ups' of horses right back to the fifth generation, ie 62 horses in total, 31 sires, all different.
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28 minutes ago, La Zip said:
Why?
First of all, standing an ordinary son of Fastnet Rock is just nonsensical. Regardless, of his breeding (he is out of a Galileo mare, the most successful cross with FR), confirmation (he is bound to have great confirmation) injury or racetrack performance, why would you? As I keep reminding people, its taken until the 2018 breeding season for Coolmore to actually stand a son of their "champion" sire....so that in itself is a key indicator of the level of performances to date at stud for well bred, well performed sons of FR. ???????
That's conformation la Zip.
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4 hours ago, Blue said:
Was he always trained by Allan Jones? I could maybe understand a change of form with a new trainer though time was usually the best friend of Azemann horses.
Time is the best friend of the majority of horses. Not all of them will be any good, but most would be better at four, five and six than they are at two and three. Costs dictate that most people can't wait like they should.
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A nice story to read Swynford. There are a number of these "bargain buys" which come to mind in recent times, ie dams of Tarzino and Gingernuts, and only last weekend, Mazarine (from the eight carat family), the dam of Vinery Stud Stakes winner Hiyaam was purchased (not in foal) from gavelhouse a couple of years ago for 6k.
I guess the possibility of having this good fortune keeps a number of people interested in breeding and racing, although of course the odds are stacked against you being one of the lucky few.
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A previous post noted he only covered 14 mares last year. Pentire will have to show he is a sire of sire before He's Remarkable can expect to make it as a stallion.
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20 hours ago, Louise said:
Yeah for broodmares I'd get a Vet certificate of breeding done no good buying one to find it needs a 3k surgery......buyer beware
Agree Jess. I wonder if the vendor knew about the possible surgery Louise? As you say..'caveat emptor' (buyer beware), but I guess, as with a vehicle where you can get a mechanical check before you buy, and a house where you have to get a builders report for your mortgage, it is probably a good idea to get a vet to check a horse, although in your case Louise, if it was an internal issue, a vet may not have picked it up anyway.
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Thanks for feedback from those that have bought through Gavelhouse. It's Interesting that a number of you are buying without seeing. I guess it is difficult if having a viewing involves a lot of travel, and ok, if photos are extensive and show up conformation well, then that's good, but personally I wouldn't buy a horse (or vehicle for that matter), without seeing it first.
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