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R.I.P Nigel Landers
A real colourful character. A book would have made a great read.
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Champion jockey Shane Dye: Why are jockeys still wearing safety vests?
about an hour ago by Shane DyeAfter a very difficult couple of months for racing, there's no better time to right the wrongs of the past.
I'm talking about the jockey vest.
During the past week, I've spoken to many jockeys who have ridden with and without vests and they've backed my argument on this issue 100 per cent.
Most of the current jockeys have never ridden without a vest so they know no different.
But I can't sit back any longer and let this go on.
Someone has to take a stand.
In 1998, prior to vests becoming mandatory, I was given one to trial and to provide feedback.
I tried to ride in it but it was too stiff on my back.
I took it home and I jumped on the couch with the vest on.
I fell off the couch, onto the ground, landing on my back.
I did it with my helmet and all my gear on and it jarred my back and neck unbelievably.
Then I did the same exercise without a vest on and there was no jarring and I was able to roll.
The vest comes up and hits your head, resulting in more head injuries, and it prevents a jockey from rolling, the most important reaction in a fall.
Rolling saves jockeys' lives.
The other thing about the vests is when you lie flat on the ground with one on, your neck is three or four centimetres off the ground.So, if you fall, your neck if off the ground which means it's easier for it to twist.
That means your neck is twisting another couple of centimetres and common sense tells you that's not a good thing.
I've got no doubt in my mind that the vest causes more serious head, neck and back injuries because you can't roll.
Ask any jockey, when you fall the thing that protects you is rolling.
When stunt actors are doing stunts, what do they do? They roll.
When you have a horse fall, you roll but when you have a vest on you can't roll.
Back when I rode prior to vests, everyone broke collarbones and ribs.
Now they break and fracture vertebraes.
Riding horses for 42 years told me the vests couldn't work and they haven't worked.
I reported all this to stewards prior to their introduction but I was laughed at and told I was wrong.Back in April 2014, the Australian Government Rural Industries Research and Development Corporation commissioned a study into the safety vests.
The report obtained data from Racing NSW and Racing Victoria from 1986 to 2011 which related to insurance claim data prior to and following the introduction of the vests.
The research showed an increase in serious neck and back injuries since jockeys started using vests.
Page 16 of the report highlighted "a significant increase in neck fracture percentages during the post-vest period" and "a significant increase in back fracture percentages during the post-vest period".
The report even found "the vests are neither comfortable nor have they been universally accepted as being worthwhile"
This table shows body location and injury type from the NSW data used in the evaluation of safety vests report 2014
This table shows body location and injury type from the Victorian data used in the evaluation of safety vests report 2014Pretty damning data wouldn't you think and the injuries are getting worse.
I've got no doubt there's more head, neck and back injuries since they put that report out in 2014.
I've just found a research paper written in 2019 by Lisa Giusti Gestri from the Swinburne University of Technology called Safety Vests For Jockeys: A Case Study Of Primary And Dependent-Secondary Users Affecting The Evolution Of Vest Design In The Australian Horse Racing Industry.
The research found: "The current vests are failing in providing sufficient protection" so why then are we making jockeys wear them?
It also found:- "Safety vests were still inadequate to prevent severe injuries to jockeys."
- "If jockeys fell, they needed to be able to roll without hindrance, yet the current vests were bulky and hampered this movement."
All the data suggests vests are not doing what they are supposed to be doing so I've been proven right.
I know those who made the decision to introduce the vests are no longer in those roles but now it's time for those in power to read the research and data and do something about it.
*Shane Dye rode more than 100 Group 1 winners around the world, including a Melbourne Cup, Cox Plate and four consecutive Golden Slippers.- Black Kirrama, Leggy, dock leaf and 1 other
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Poser is a great story.
This mare had her very first start back in December 2020 at Rotorua and finished fourth for Kurtis Pertab and his father Paul. Her next seven starts came in 2021 for Graham Richardson and Rogan Norvall with her only placing being a second at Counties over 1600m on a heavy track. She then went down South to Andrew Carston and ran two inglorious last placings in both her starts down there in February last year. Placed on Gavel House Kurtis Pertab saw her and bought her for $500.00.
Now training her by himself she resumed with a win over 1600m at Tauranga in November and then won her next two starts at 2200m at Rotorua and Te Rapa. Given a break she resumed last month with a tidy third at Avondale and a seventh in the G3 Manawatu Breeders Stakes behind Aromatic and on Saturday took out the Listed Rotorua Cup.
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Well done to Cliff and Kurtis who also trains Poser
Cheap buys off Gavel House were Poser who won the Rotorua Cup yesterday along with Casino Priness today and another in a nice winner today in the 2yo Oneira.
All first selection in the Boys Get Paid app.
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34 minutes ago, chevy86 said:
Beginning to wonder when we would return to the thread subject.
Why?
It was thrashed to death last year after it all came out and this thread was only started due to an error by NZTR listing Matt Cameron as a rider.
It has been through the judical process and sentence handed down.
Unless there was anything different or anything new to report I see no reason to rehash the subject.
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Matamata Rescheduled to Sunday
The Matamata meeting abandoned today (Friday) has been rescheduled to Sunday 14 May. Please note there will be change of race times from the original schedule with Race 1 at approximately midday. Confirmed times will be added in later this morning. All scratchings have been reinstated. There will be no scratching fees incurred for this meeting.
- Black Kirrama and Gruff
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R9 at Wanganui.
The write up has nothing to do with Hill Of Kings but relates to Magic Express who is scratched.
Race 9
2 Hill Of Kings3yo filly out of a very competitive racemare in Coastal Express. Fresh Up this preparation she was brave racing on speed and battled well ro be a close up 4th beaten three lengths. She should like the step up to 1600m and the off track conditions so looks comparative here. It’s a very competitive race so if you are taking a quaddie you will need a few in this leg.
Selections: 2-4-5-7 -
Listed NewPlymouth riders;
Apprentice Riders:
Ciel Butler (a3) c/- 021 0259 1555
Amless Bohorun (a3) c/- 027 430 5886
Jim Chung (a4) 029 0201 9951
Toni Davies (a4) 021 0826 3033
Lemmy Douglas (a3) c/- 027 673 2282
Crystal Lindsay (a4) 021 0286 1099
Temyia Taiaroa (a2) 022 067 5935Senior Riders:
Courtney Barnes c/- 027 673 2282
Bridget Grylls c/- 027 948 2892
Mereana Hudson 022 347 9649
Johnathan Parkes c/- 021 0259 1555
Sam Spratt c/- 021 944 819 -
Licence automatically revoked for 2 years from August last year.
However he is able to apply for an exemption from being a prohibited person via the Exemptions Committee and then reapply for his licence.
Obviously this must have happened.
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1 hour ago, Baz (NZ) said:
Funny you say that Ted.
I was looking at the tightly contested apprentice premiership last week and thought to myself Wiremu "Billy The Kid" Pinn could be the giant killer with 3 months to run before the end of the season!
Watched him today and just admired his style!
Here's my long range tips for the next couple of seasons Triston Moodley and Jessica AllenOne to include and who is flying under the radar Baz is Ceil Butler 120 rides this season for 17 wins and a strike rate of 7.06.
- chiknsmack, Baz (NZ) and Zak Hussai
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The Cossack yesterday at Te Rapa the form comment was:
"Champion jumper better for the run on the flat 28/4. Winner only start this role."
Wrong.
He won his first start in a maiden steeplechase at Te Rapa and in his other steeplechase start was beaten a nose in the Australian Grand National Steeplechase.
How was that missed?
George must have read the above comment from the race book as he also said The Cossack had won his only steeplechase start.
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The Apprentice Premiership will be an interesting watch with just under three months remaining. With Joe on 52, Tayla on 51 and Kelsey on 49. There is still a wild card right in the mix with Wiremu following 2 wins today so far and only 10 off the lead now so don't write him off..
I saw Kelsey on Friday and she has plenty of movement in her wrist now, has been riding some work and will be riding at the Avondale trials on Tuesday so she will resume very shortly.
I think the bookies should be setting a book for the Apprentice Premiership to create further interest as the Jockey Premiership is all over with Michael McNab being 31 clear. After all they do have a Junior Drivers Premiership book for Harness.
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13 hours ago, Black Kirrama said:
Thanks Chris. Calling Ted to come on down and tell all of us on here , what the facts are.
Hi Rev
Firstly the track revamp has all been done in accordance with the experts Chris has referred to, NZTR and involvement of overseeing region track managers, stipes etc. So there has been a multitude of nous and knowledge as he puts it going into it all.
Local horses have been galloping recently and as you will have seen on the NZTR website some outside trainers had brought horses to gallop. The NZTR report on their website two or three weeks ago:
While locals worked around the Te Aroha track earlier this week, a number of horses from Shaun Clotworthy’s stable travelled to gallop there today (Wednesday) on a Good4 surface.
A small team of horses were ridden by Ace Lawson-Carroll, Hamish McNeil and Masa Hashizume with all riders complimentary post-trackwork. Trainer Shaun Clotworthy commented, “All three riders reported positively in terms of both the cambers and grass cover. They also rode both the 1600m and 1200m chutes noting that these areas blended in well with the course proper. The track was in good order and rode well.”
This followed feedback from club officials, the track manager and regional track advisor that they were very happy with the recent progress made and looked forward to resuming racing on the fully renovated course.
The information I received from yesterday is as follows:
Yesterday morning ten horses galloped on the course proper and whilst nine had no problem one slipped after the crossing (between the crossing and the steeplechase fence). It was in an area where a truck had to be dug out at some stage after becoming stuck.
Close inspection revealed there was a small ridge on the track contour and the horse's foot landed on far side lip of that small ridge and slid down into the small depression on that side. I am told the slip was about 5 inches long. Hence trials called off. Work to remedy this was completed yesterday afternoon with levelling and being soiled to correct.
A later walking of the track found some patches of dead matter between the grass and soil so some samples have been sent off for analysis to ascertain why. To remedy the grass needs to be cut short so the dead matter can be removed. That work will take about two weeks being weather dependent and then take about a month to grow back. Horses will then be able to gallop again and a new set of trials rescheduled.
Small delay to return of racing but everyone wants to see everything 100% before doing so.
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7 hours ago, BJDESMOND said:
Hi Everyone,
I'm new to the group. Im Des's first Grandson Brett.
So nice seeing all the comments about Poppa.. He has left a huge hole in our family but left a great Legacy which i will cherish forever.
This is Audio of Poppa's win on Fox Myth Wellington Cup 1956. Has been hidden away in archives since 1956.
Enjoy!
183346 - Wellington Cup Fox Myth.mp3 17.63 MB · 15 downloads
Hi Brett. I made mention of this on Facebook under the commentary.
That 1956 Cup meeting was the meeting that commemorated the 50th anniversary of the Trentham racecourse. The Cup was worth 10,000 pounds.
The win made up for an unlucky 3rd in the Auckland Cup a few weeks before.
Peter Kelly was incorrect when he said the race record was 3:19:5. Fox Myth ran 3:21:25 which was a both a race and weight carrying record at the time. The Cup had only been run at 2 miles from 1942.
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Time Test had a couple win at the Waipa trials last Monday both with Lance O'Sullivan and Andrew Scott.
The 2yo in heat 10 looked good.
One also won at the Foxton trials the same day.
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2 hours ago, gubellini said:
Des rode 584 winners in NZ and is currently 84th on the all times list. He started riding in the 1946-7 season riding two winners. He won his last ride - Ric Rossato at Matamata on the 1/5/78. Notable wins: 1977 NZ Derby and Rotorua Challenge Stakes on Silver Lad.1954 GN St Leger, 1955 Mitchelson, 1956 Wellington Cup on Fox Myth. 1960 GN Oaks on Summer Sari and 1961 Oaks on Challenge. 1961 Clifford Plate on Lord Sasanof and 1977 on Silver Lad. 1960 GN Guineas on Chatsmore. 1968 Avondale Cup on Proud Chief. 1968 Royal Stakes on Rosehill and on Free Gold in 1977. 1960 GN Champagne Stakes on Challen. 1966 Newmarket on Tuam. Four Whangarei Cups- 1950 Fireman, 1965 Dark Intrigue, 1967 High Voltage, 1973 Captain Peri. 1959 Rotorua Cup on Revenue. Four Thames Valley Stakes- 1961 Lord Sasanof, 1962 Key, 1963 Fencourt, 1966 Honestly. 1961 Taumaranui Cup on Pin Money and 1975 on Quick Answer. 1974 Te Aroha Breeders’ Stakes on Pheroz Jewel.
Gubes
Silver Lad won the 1976 NZ Derby. You may be confusing him with the win in 1977 which was in the Wellington Derby. Des won both on him.
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2 hours ago, Chestnut said:
Well I commend you then as Tayla has really come on in the recent 5-6 months and the number of riding engagements have picked up allowing her to grow as a rider. I remember her saying in an interview late last year that you had taken over managing her.
Another thing to remember with apprentices, especially those in their first couple of years that start to ride the better horses, they then also have greater expectations from owners, trainers and the punters that they are going to bring their horse home in a decent position, and if possible in a winning position and I think that sometimes that can cross over into riding style and being a tad vigorous with the persuader.
It's the more senior jockeys that keep getting pinged for over use of the whip that frustrates me, because they should know better.
Thank you Chestnut.
All the credit goes to Tayla though for making the most of her opportunities out on the track. There is still plenty of improvement to come as you would expect from a second year apprentice but her future does look bright especially when the finishing polish is complete. Horses do run for her.
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1 hour ago, Chestnut said:
Are you still Tayla's manager Ted?
Yes I am Chestnut and I do watch the apprentices closely and despite what Reliableman says we do have some talented apprentices out there.
Another thing to remember is that top senior riders may not have shined as apprentices Their skills may take longer to hone and opportunites may have been missed. Our current champion jockey being a classic example.
- wph, Zak Hussai, scooby3051 and 2 others
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I have no doubt that Reliableman will be very pleased to see Tayla Mitchell record win number 50 for the season on Fonteyn at Rotorua today.
With win 51 coming in the very next race on Aoide
- Black Kirrama, gubellini, Patiti and 1 other
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Hastings
in Thoroughbred Cafe
Posted
Given there were 115 horses still to race on Thursday the abandoned race-meeting has been re-scheduled for Tuesday 30 May. The programme remains the same with new nominations required. These nominations will close with the NRB on Friday 26 May at 12 noon and withdrawals will be Saturday at 10am.
The rail at Hastings has been moved into the true position and the track has or will be verti-drained.
As a consequence the Foxton trials have been brought forward to Monday 29 May with nominations closing at midday on Friday 26 May at 12 noon.