john legend

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    john legend reacted to TurnyTom in Is D McKenzie just a bean counter   
    Have no issue with cutting cost, but let's hit the right area - failed management
    Dean ain't no silver bullet
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    john legend reacted to Ludwig in How we can save harness racing in the CD - Manawatu's solution   
    Good luck with that. Stables wrote the book on doom and gloom.
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    john legend got a reaction from Ludwig in How we can save harness racing in the CD - Manawatu's solution   
    The song comes to mind (with artistic licence) TELL ME WHY I DONT LIKE stables,,,
                                                                                         TELL ME WHY I DONT LIKE stables
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    john legend reacted to eljay in 230 TAB staff given marching orders - leaders still there   
    How do the on course patrons (if there will be any left) get paid out?      The little old lady $1 place - oh sorry they don't want their loyal customers from the last 50 or more years any more.
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    john legend reacted to MiDeBo Racing in 230 TAB staff given marching orders - leaders still there   
    Would have a lot more faith in DM & RITA if they cut the PR saving face crap and called a spade a spade. What’s wrong with coming out and saying it exactly like it is. That the TAB finds itself in its current position due to years of mismanagement. And that Covid merely shortened the runway to where they find themselves  today. What’s wrong with saying it as it is rather than blindly using Covid as an excuse. Would have a lot more faith in the way forward if that was the case rather than trying to use Covid as a cover up.
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    john legend reacted to TurnyTom in 230 TAB staff given marching orders - leaders still there   
    No surprises here, in fact I think we all anticipated that the real issues would not have been addressed. 
    I really feel for the future of NZ racing, it is getting worse with each announcement. 
    I can see them asking for a second bail out within 6 months, good luck with that. 
    Current effort gives savings of 11mil a year. 
    Can the useless bloody website just walk away there's 17mil a year, pretty bloody simple. They have a perfectly good website gathering dust. Just do it, stop the shagging around. 
    I am really worried this current untouchable team will stuff racing for good, the signs are poor for a return to the good old days. Just won't happen
    God we are digging a deep hole here. 
     
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    john legend reacted to LightsOut in 230 TAB staff given marching orders - leaders still there   
    Exactly so what is left, brain dead nilers!
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    john legend reacted to iwmcn in How we can save harness racing in the CD - Manawatu's solution   
    John. Thank you. Good point re buses and COVID.
    Shall we say  the new motorway will make it a pleasurable mid week drive for them.
    I could help place their bets oncourse on a roster to overcome their being no tellers.?
    Anything is possible just given the chance.
     
     
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    john legend reacted to iwmcn in How we can save harness racing in the CD - Manawatu's solution   
    Stables. show me another region in NZ o/t Central Districts who have lost their anchor club (Hutt Park) 20 years ago and survived without Industry hand outs.
    These guys have  kept the sport alive in their region , rekindledi interest and are rewarded by their peers with a kick in the guts. ie closure.
    To consider no racing between Christchurch and Cambridge is non sensical AND WOULD DO UNREAPAIRABLE DAMAGE TO THE SPORT OF HARNESS RACING.
    My advice is to maintain the STATUS QUO for now haven given notice to ALL stakeholders that closure is on the cards IF agreed terms and conditions are not met IN THE FUTURE,
    Form a CD consortium ,,allocate a set number of dates to cover the region and let them work it  where and when with the 12 month deadline. 
    Let the stakeholders determine their own future.
    Dont just shut the door on them. After all what is another 12 months. Not much to ask. 
    Given this region is the most effected by the dates I submit that in equity they should be given an extended period to review their future.
    If we want a future we must encourage growth.  not by killing an established sport in a large educational city, or solid kids cart base .
    Give them 12 months and review the position.
    The new motorway from Wellington to open next year will slash the transit time providing  NEW MARKET opportunities. eg .Creating a one hour drive from the affluent Kapiti Coast for the affluent
    and (or bored ) retirees on the Kapiti Coast.  Bus trips on Tuesday afternoons. could be a regular feature. ? Endless unexplored. potental.t
    At least let the Consortium explore these opportunities before you can it.
    PS  Stables. Find fault with this approach.
    Ivan W. McNicholl
     
     
     
     
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    john legend got a reaction from 2Piper in HRNZ vision Statement   
    good summation T man. Only thing is if no harness racing in most of north Island The kids carts is organised by harness racingtrainers and wives so most likely no k carts in region. It is also run on harness racing programmes which wont exist  so will not be able to give the children raceday experience. A big loss asTaranaki/Manawatu a thriving area for Kids carts .. Donated my signed yellow jewels silks to them as believe future of harness racing lies in kids carts. But if TAB see no point in these regions then no point in giving children the illusion of a future in harness racing. DISGRACEFUL.
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    john legend got a reaction from TurnyTom in HRNZ vision Statement   
    T Man, I do respect your feelings, However the House show has been positive andhas also been used as a trojan horse to damage the clubs argument for a healthy future. the Club has raced successfully since 1959 and had role as central districts main facility once demise of Wellingtons Hutt Park in 1995 MH appeared in last 3 years and did scare off some trainers coming from other areas which were reg supporters. Without MH these will return so it is not the death knell that may appear from outsiders.Best thing Mr House is to set up stable on course Palmerston North. makes sense(cents) .
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    john legend reacted to micktap in HRNZ vision Statement   
    Good.Are you anti racing in the bottom half of the North Island because you don't like the place.
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    john legend reacted to 2Piper in HRNZ vision Statement   
    So you are saying that 35 Kidz Kartz participants move from Taranaki and Manawatu ?  These are your future drivers , trainers owners and breeders.  Also there are 48 individual breeders (2019 figures) throughout the region as well as the current licensees.  That's  a lot of investment with little chance of re- couping. That's alienating  current and future participants or they have to travel excessively. 
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    john legend reacted to eljay in Invercargill   
    Don't worry - they will probably fly one down from Auckland with 2 nights accom, expenses etc.    
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    john legend got a reaction from Huey in "Those Clubs might race at alternative Venues"   
    Before Stables jumps up RIDA is not misspelt  It is the new Racing Industry destruction agency...many would see this as most apt.Its strange that Australia has more racecourses than NZ by a bigger proportion of the population even now and the ones they close eg Harold Park are the big inner city ones which no longer are fit for purpose.
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    john legend got a reaction from Huey in TAB costs   
    Some apologists for our supposed leaders of this industry need to look at facts.... many trainers /drivers and indeed owners and punters may wish to stop      READING NOW as following  could prove  INJURIOUS to their health....The TAB employs 630 full time staff costing over $60 million....136 staff earn over $100000 and it gets worse, 10 people are paid between $250000 and $700000. AND RIDA THINKS CLOSING THE MODERN PURPOSE BUILT MANAWATU RACEWAY IS GOING TO SAVE THE INDUSTRY . As an owner punter  I find the Industry destroying itself by looking in the wrong place for survival is  very very disappointing. (thanks to Barry Lichter for some facts)
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    john legend reacted to eljay in HRNZ vision Statement   
    So that makes it right?      Yesterday I saw a game of soccer being played - no distancing there.      So why is racing different Stables - you are the resident expert!      
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    john legend got a reaction from meomy in HRNZ vision Statement   
    High Eljay, thanks for comment The borders move somewhat with infohprse. Otaki often included also w airarapa. Bryan Taylor is in the process of retiring and has horses for sale. a pity as a fine trainer and person.(Masterton) Many of these trainers were booted out when hutt Park was not saved by HRNZ and now face similar fate. No wonder they find the "so what " comments  from smart asses on this site hard to take. yes Micktap great analysis . even Auckland needs trainers from Cambridge to bolster their numerically weak fields . 
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    john legend got a reaction from meomy in HRNZ vision Statement   
    7 trainers listed in wellington area... including Dennis Kessell at Mangaroa who had 3 wins this season, helped by Bill Marwick. There are approx. 30 active trainers in the wider area including Doug Gale,Scott Dickson,Bryan norman,Phil and Willie Fleming,Steven Doody,Wendy Devenport,Fred Mitchell,Allan Pyers, Murray Gibbs Fred Mitchell, There are another 100 approx. people working in various stables as well as a host of owners.The actual numbers of horses varies but the bigger stables eg. Scott Dickson had 149 starts this season,Doug Gale 94,Bryan Norman,85 Phil Fleming 58 Steven Doody,82Fred Mitchell 72,Wendy devenport 29.  The Raceway did get regular support from trainers from Marlborough region and Cambridge .
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    john legend got a reaction from meomy in HRNZ vision Statement   
    The vision statement for HRNZ READS AS FOLLOWS....HARNESSING EXCITEMENT SERVICE INTEGRITY AND PROSPERITY FOR OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND CUSTOMERS.... would all Board Members have the guts to front up to those trainers in the central districts and explain how they are honouring their own vision statement. ? Dozens of these trainers from wellington to hunterville and up to New Plymouth have established facilities for harness racing at large personal cost to enable them to provide horses for racing centred on Manawatu Raceway. To give 70 licences to ak and Cambridge and nil to Manawatu or any racetrack in  the area is in stark contrast to the vision statement and could be open to legal challenge if not corrected . We all accept there is pain and suffering but lets not reward areas and close others down. It simply is a disgrace and maybe national awareness through publicity is the only remedy. 
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    john legend reacted to eljay in HRNZ vision Statement   
    Only just under a week to first harness meeting (at Addington).    They need patrons on course with smiley ladies behind the betting counters.      Not a word about this from the pooh bahs.    Tomorrow "she" will announce loosening on gathering numbers (cafes, bars, church services, funerals etc.) but not a word on racing meetings or trials you can guarantee.      Most of those groups who  will get relief are those who have been making a "noise" over the last 1 or 2 weeks.      Silence from racing.     People at the races keeping  whatever separations are required are no different from people 1 metre apart in cafe & bars.       But it is typical of an industry who have big fat asses and are very good at sitting on them.
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    john legend reacted to Wobbler in HRNZ vision Statement   
    What  does it really matter  of how many horses trained in the area  worry so many.If I want to go somehere that I think will be a bit easier
    to get a bit of money I will go ,be it Manawatu or Forbury .It's my expense to get them there. No cost at all to HRNZ or TAB ,just me A lot  of the horses
    goin round  not up to racing Addington .If not careful  will end up only have four or five big stables racing against each other , and won't that be interesting .
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    john legend reacted to micktap in HRNZ vision Statement   
    That is a stupid argument.It doesn't cost HRNZ or the TAB anything if trainers and owners from outside the district decide to race at Manawatu.How do you think they are going to be able to hold a meeting in Nelson.Will the NZ cup only be eligible to Canterbury horses.Do you want to kill off all owners,trainers etc in the smaller districts just to keep the major areas happy with less traveling.How long will harness racing last if this is allowed to happen.
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    john legend reacted to eljay in HRNZ vision Statement   
    5 trainers in Wellington area - easy to find in HRNZ site
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    john legend got a reaction from 2Piper in HRNZ vision Statement   
    The vision statement for HRNZ READS AS FOLLOWS....HARNESSING EXCITEMENT SERVICE INTEGRITY AND PROSPERITY FOR OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND CUSTOMERS.... would all Board Members have the guts to front up to those trainers in the central districts and explain how they are honouring their own vision statement. ? Dozens of these trainers from wellington to hunterville and up to New Plymouth have established facilities for harness racing at large personal cost to enable them to provide horses for racing centred on Manawatu Raceway. To give 70 licences to ak and Cambridge and nil to Manawatu or any racetrack in  the area is in stark contrast to the vision statement and could be open to legal challenge if not corrected . We all accept there is pain and suffering but lets not reward areas and close others down. It simply is a disgrace and maybe national awareness through publicity is the only remedy.