john legend

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    john legend reacted to ivanthegreat in clubs "bulk funding"   
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    john legend reacted to Mr Spyro in wierd names of horses and dogs.   
    I see they just turned down the name Piston Broke.
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    john legend reacted to Stables in Noble Mistress-Bizarre   
    I've got a horse with Kerr. His attention to detail and proactive approach to his horses is second to none. He deserves the success he gets
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    john legend got a reaction from LongOwner in clubs "bulk funding"   
    Sad to see the 1500 dollar maiden bonus disappear this season. The clubs are now required to organise their own stakes from a bulk funding model based on a share of the cake based on turnover from last season.That is fine but some Clubs may struggle towards the end of this season  if their lack of other income dries up eg. sponsorship etc.. It puts a lot more responsibility on all Clubs. (hope they do better than some schools when they all went to Bulk funding ! )
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    john legend reacted to lamour in clubs "bulk funding"   
    Your dead right JL,  sports bar concept with casino works well in USA but I don’t think any government here is going to allow us to go down that road.   Some years ago The Met tried to get a licence for some pokies on course but the CCC wouldn’t allow it.    
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    john legend reacted to Counter Punch in clubs "bulk funding"   
    It's a messy situation, that's for sure. 
    Bulk funding, in some ways, removes the demand of attempting to get people on course to bet at your race meetings, something which makes me feel uneasy. So much emphasis at a club level used to be on how much money was turned over on your meeting as it ultimately resulted in how much of a payout you would get from either the on course/off course betting and also the Fixed Odds betting - the percentages weren't excessively high - but a good successful meeting could net a club a very nice payout once the bean counters had done their thing. 
    Now we are faced with a situation where some clubs, particularly those who run multiple, low stake, meetings in a season will focus more on other things rather than driving turn over and be happy with the status quo pay out from the bulk funding model. The more proactive clubs however will see the opportunity to hopefully increase their percentage share by consistently delivering good numbers when it comes to turnover to then enhance their ability to push more money back into stakes. 
    There's no hiding from the fact that are stake levels are atrocious, especially when sitting alongside a handicapping system which doesn't do a lot of favours to the up and coming exciting horse who wins a few races in a row. Every club would love to be running for a minimum maiden stake of $10k - but for some, it's just not realistic. 
     
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    john legend reacted to Stables in clubs "bulk funding"   
    Control of fundin for stakes paid should be taken from the clubs and allocated by a central body. Stake levels are appalling at the moment. In most cases stakes paid to race winners are between 3 and 4 thousand dollars. Higher stakes such as in group races are funded by breeders and owners and clubs often conribute very little. Central administration of stakes would eliminate the problem of clubs running most of their races at the minimum level and pouring the rest of their funds into country cups etc. to the detriment of the most of owners. If you win one of these races you're lucky to get enough to cover a months training, shoeing and vets bills
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    john legend reacted to SallyFenning in woman drivers   
    I have a newspaper article dated February 1979 with a picture of 10 woman drivers who took part in a ladies race at Cambridge S Roberts who was licenced to drive at a tote meeting in Oz, Julie Cave (Fraser), Sally Fenning, Diane Cole, Susan Town (McKendry) Ann Cooney, Helen Brice,  Vi Mercep, B Lee, Susan Gee (Branch). Julie won it with Yarver Ann 2nd with Crafty Beau and myself 3rd Effie Hanover. As I recall at that point we were only licenced to drive at trials and non tote meeting. The Eye Lure Derby was run at the Park. Belinda Holmes was another about that time 
     
     
     
     
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    john legend reacted to Chestnut in NZ Trotting .. 1953 :)   
    I just came across this on Youtube.. it may have been pasted before.. but if not ...  thought i'd share it.. classic   
     
     
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    john legend reacted to tim vince in Why   
    In the last race tonight when u had a 40 to 42 race obviously close in ability did the handicapper allow a 49 that clearly had 2 other  options.
    like with like ignored..the 49 won easy..a condition was put in to allow a one won mare on 49 eligibility.this is not a rating system.the other horses shafted .
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    john legend reacted to Iraklis in UMC still at it   
    Oh yes JL mate be great to see him can't see why he wont start up where he finished off, roll on The Cup yussssss!
     
    Cheers Iraklis
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    john legend got a reaction from Iraklis in UMC still at it   
    UMC "carlos" is on his way back.. Kirstin Barclay is looking to Winton for start of season for him 8.9.19 then the big boys in the Hannon at Oamaru. looking forward to see if he measures up this season as the Cup may become realistic after the Hannon.(for Iraklis....wowee can"t wait)
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    john legend reacted to 47South in Dexter wins 6 at Philly today   
    Come back to WHAT??? lol
     
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    john legend got a reaction from JJ Flash in arocknatthepark   
    thanks. horse all clear now and ready to win tonight..
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    john legend reacted to Toblerone in Michael House   
    Bit harsh there, champ.
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    john legend reacted to Jeep in Auckland Race Caller   
    Great to hear Jason Teaz commentating at Alex Park tonite .
    No nick names ,no all dressed up , just accurate commentating!
    Good stuff Jason !
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    john legend got a reaction from Thejanitor in Michael House   
    P4P, what is your aim. bringing up BM from 15 years ago .even our top gun pleaded guilty.If it is to sully Michael House you are prob already there which will annoy a lot of people as MH may decide a normal discussion on the Cafe is not worth the agro. I would welcome his input ,very interesting for a trainer of close to100 winners this season.Please stay in Michael and lets hope the "questions"from p4p are not rhetorical. and do dry up.
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    john legend got a reaction from Thejanitor in Michael House   
    P4P, what is your aim. bringing up BM from 15 years ago .even our top gun pleaded guilty.If it is to sully Michael House you are prob already there which will annoy a lot of people as MH may decide a normal discussion on the Cafe is not worth the agro. I would welcome his input ,very interesting for a trainer of close to100 winners this season.Please stay in Michael and lets hope the "questions"from p4p are not rhetorical. and do dry up.
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    john legend reacted to Counter Punch in woman drivers   
    Kerryn Manning's historic victory in last month's New Zealand Trotting Cup with Arden Rooney captured headlines around the Southern Hemisphere. As the first female driver to win the great race, the Australian native will forever remembered for her effort. The history of females driving in races in New Zealand runs a lot deeper than November 10, 2015.

    BELLA BUTTON. Sounds a lot like a Saturday morning children's television character doesn't it? Maybe it's the alliteration of her name, which does it. After all, Dexter Dunn has a certain ring to it. You would think that might be where the comparisons between the two might stop. But it's far from the finish. You see, Button was setting records and creating history more than 100 years before Double D was born. 

    It was her, along with others, who set the wheels in motion for females driving in harness racing. And therefore it was Button who played a major part in the success of Kerryn Manning when she broke the New Zealand Trotting Cup hoodoo at Addington last month and became the first female to win the great race from the sulky. 

    Button created history in harness racing for the first time on record in 1890 when she and her trusty steed, Star, whom she also both owned and trained, rallied to success in the first race at the inaugural Ashburton Trotting Club meeting in Mid Canterbury. At a similar time Ethel Abbott was granted a licence by the Otahuhu Trotting Club at the ripe age of 16. Both were given one day club permits to drive at selected meetings but official licences were issued at a national level and despite a modicum of success for both, they were constantly refused. 

    Eventually the rejection drove Button away from the industry, although she did remain involved through her New Brighton establishment Brooklyn Lodge where it was reported she was in demand when it came to difficult racehorses. Despite her premature departure from trotting, Button left an everlasting mark, as did Abbott, and the presence of female drivers was forever a distant buzz in the ears of administrators who didn't see it fit for females to be competing against their male counterparts. 

    The issue wasn't just isolated to New Zealand though. Harness racing in all corners was having the same debate and archaic values were trumping every argument with comment being thrown from all sectors that women were not fit to compete in fully fledged races. Walter Moore who was a much regarded American harness racing journalist wrote the following in the Horse Review in 1918 and it underlines the battles females faced not only in America, but in Australia and New Zealand too.

    He wrote..."I cannot refrain from giving my views on the situation which were formed after seeing one of the most prominent women drives in the central states drive in a number of races. Mrs Chas. H Deyo takes the position that as woman are at the present called upon to perform labour; they should be allowed to drive professional races against the men. 

    I think if trainers are so situated that their wives can accompany the stable of a campaign and act as bookkeeper, that is a very fine arrangement. Their work does not bring them into unpleasant situations, and they find it both healthful and interesting. They are splendid women, informed on all subjects, and are not horse bugs saturated with horse knowledge and conversation alone, but are better equipped in the finer things of the world than many ladies who have never been inside of a training stable.

    But to see a woman get up and drive in a race in a big field of hoppled pacers, or trotters for that matter - probably the danger is no greater in one place than it is in the other - makes a real lady look entirely out of place to me. To see her beating and banging an old pacer through the stretch makes me think that the mothers of old are gone forever. I am thankful that I have never seen a bad accident in a field where there was a woman driver competing, but after seeing a good many spills, with half the field down, and half the drivers bruised up terribly, I have always felt very thankful that there were no ladies in the wreck. 

    I see no objection, and, in fact would enjoy much seeing a special event against time with a lady driver taking the leading role, particularly if she be a capable reins woman, and there are many of them, with only two horses on the track, the principal and the prompter; but in a big field of horses where men get excited and say and do things they would not think of doing in the presence of a lady, it make an entirely different situation. 

    I felt certain that the 'powers that be' would pass a rule, or amend one of the old ones, during the past winter of rule tinkering, that would prevent woman drives taking part in regular races, but it seems to have been neglected."

    Oh how times have changed.

    Had Mr Moore penned such words today, he would most likely be without a job - but at that time in history his article gives further credence to just how difficult it was for women to break through. As written earlier, despite the efforts of the likes of Bella Button and Ethel Abbott harness racing was a little slow on the uptake and it was more than 70 years later before equality between male and female drivers was finalised. 

    On the 20th November 1971 the first penalty bearing race for women who raced on special one day licences was held. Dubbed the Hip Hi Stakes and run for $550 at Addington the event was won by Lyn Smith, driving Derryhill. Other prominent names in the race included Barbara May, Noeline Ferguson, Denise Nyhan, Elizabeth McGrath, Carol Deuart, Una Anso, Allison Murfitt, Vi Mercep and Robyn Negus.

    It took another eight years following that race for some serious change to take place and in 1979 the waters were finally broken when three women, Lorraine Grant, Dorothy Cutts and Anne Cooney, were granted licences by the NZ Trotting Conference to compete against the men. Cutts was granted a full professional driver's licence while Watson was given an amateur licence and Cooney, a probationary licence. Interestingly the press release at the time in the NZ Trotting Calendar closed with the statement that the criteria laid down by the Conference for the granting of licences to women is exactly the same as that which applies to men. 

    Mrs Cutts went on to win a non-TAB race at Matamata a few weeks later on Kenworthy while Mrs Watson was the first woman to drive a winner when she piloted Hydro Bird at a complete TAB tote meeting in March of 1979. To say that there were others waiting in the wings for their chance to join in on the action might be an understatement as come the end of 1979, there were 1,600 licence holders and more than 50 of them were female. 

    The arrival of a female presence in the sulky in full blown races created a media frenzy at the time. Lorraine Watson, or Grant as she was latterly known, was quoted following her first drive as a fully licenced driver at Methven as saying the most nerve wracking part of the day was immediately after the race when amid the flurry of well-wishers and friends there the inevitable television and radio interviews. "That was worse than the race. 

    I suppose I was a bit shy and worried about what I was going to say. Thank goodness, it only happens once." Watsons presence on the track was also well received by most of her male counterparts and she said many had wished her well. "Of course there will always be those against women drivers, but I was surprised by a lot of the others. Driving is all in the hands and feet, sex makes no difference." 

    Watson of course went on to make history and become the first female driver to compete in the New Zealand Trotting Cup when she drove her own horse, the standout chestnut, Rainbow Patch in Il Vicolo's 1995 edition of the great race. Since that history making day, there have only been eight other occasions where a female has competed in the Cup - showing just how significant Lorraine Grant's, as she was then known, achievement was. 

    Jo Herbert drove in it three times in 1998 (There's A Franco 4th), 2000 (Chloe Hanover 8th) and 2001 (Annie's Boy 12th) but it wasn't to be until Natalie Rasmussen arrived on our shores that the prominence of a female reinswoman in the Cup would become an every year occurrence. Rasmussen drove Vi Et Animo to finish 10th in 2011, then Sushi Sushi into 3rd in 2011 and was joined in that race by Kate Gath who finished 9th with Caribbean Blaster. Gath returned with Lauren Panella in 2013 and finished 5th with Caribbean Blaster while Panellawas 15th with Suave Stuey Lombo.

    Rasmussen was the sole female representative in 2014 finishing 9th with Hands Christian before both she and Kerryn Manning flew the flag in 2015. Rasmussen was 5th with Messini and Manning of course broke the hoo doo and became the first female to win the race with Arden Rooney. 

    The funny thing about history though is that its sole purpose is, put simply, to be made. It's something people strive for. They yearn to be history making. And then when it's achieved it's on to the next mission, working full circle once more. The issue often with it though is that once achieved, history can sometimes be easily forgotten. 

    Manning doesn't have to worry about that. A history making female reinswoman since the day she first put her feet into the stays of a sulky - the Great Western native threw her into harness racing immortality. What Manning achieved, and less importantly to us, what Michelle Payne achieved at Flemington a week earlier - will forever change the face of horse racing. No longer are there those lingering doubts of whether or not females can be regarded in the same breathe as some of our leading male drivers - it's all, once and for all, equal terms and open slather with wishes that either the best man, or woman, win. 

    It sounds a little archaic to speak of sexism in horse racing considering that a large proportion of success in both codes has fallen the way of females, whether they be jockeys, drivers or trainers. But the truth of the matter is that in some circles it still exists - even to this day with one hardy soul daring enough to suggest to me prior to the Cup that Manning's best chance to win the Cup was to let one of the "boys" do the driving as the Cup isn't a race for a female to win. Negatively intended or not. That one small sentence still hammered home the viewpoint of some. And only further underlined the significance of what Manning achieved.

    Not all that long ago it was uncommon to see female drivers out competing on the big stage. Nowdays, here in New Zealand, surnames like Rasmussen, Chilcott, Donnelly, Barclay, Tomlinson, Neal and more recently Ottley, Neilson and Butt have become more and more prominent. In Australia it's more prevalent. Manning leaves the charge, but is ably chased by the likes of Panella, Quinlan, Weidemann, Gath, Turnbull, Miles and Seijka. All totalled here in New Zealand we have 52 licenced female drivers. That number isn't all that dissimilar to what it was back in 1979 but the future is looking bright with a large proportion of those coming through Cadets and Kidz Kartz, being females. 

    And although nowdays it is considered normality there was a time, not that long ago as mentioned above , when the thought of a female out on the track competing against her male counterparts in the sulky seemed an impossible dream. 

    Thankfully we are past that now and some of the best in the business are of the female variety - as Manning showed on the second Tuesday in November and as the likes of Rasmussen shows us week in and week out. So perhaps it's time to change the old saying, cometh the hour, cometh the man. Surely in this day and age , cometh the hour, cometh the man...or woman seems more appropriate? 
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    john legend got a reaction from Thejanitor in Michael House   
    P4P, what is your aim. bringing up BM from 15 years ago .even our top gun pleaded guilty.If it is to sully Michael House you are prob already there which will annoy a lot of people as MH may decide a normal discussion on the Cafe is not worth the agro. I would welcome his input ,very interesting for a trainer of close to100 winners this season.Please stay in Michael and lets hope the "questions"from p4p are not rhetorical. and do dry up.
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    john legend got a reaction from Thejanitor in Michael House   
    P4P, what is your aim. bringing up BM from 15 years ago .even our top gun pleaded guilty.If it is to sully Michael House you are prob already there which will annoy a lot of people as MH may decide a normal discussion on the Cafe is not worth the agro. I would welcome his input ,very interesting for a trainer of close to100 winners this season.Please stay in Michael and lets hope the "questions"from p4p are not rhetorical. and do dry up.
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    john legend reacted to JackSprat in Michael House   
    Don't expect to hear back from MJ House any time soon. The way his horses have been running lately he'll still be busy trying to pull them up!
    Like Nanelle Franco who "pulled" her way to a 1.53 mile at the weekend. Apparently they didn't put it on the truck afterwards - she kept running all the way back to Christchurch!
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    john legend reacted to Blue in Breeding trotters   
    My brother works as an engineer on a  trawler in Iceland, should he be considered a ' frozen seaman"??
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    john legend reacted to Blue in How does   
    The last three posts are right on the money !! HRNZ or Alex Park must have a sizeable marketing budget but where does it go? Close to big events they'll take a full colour page in their own racebook but otherwise none but hardy regulars will see it and they know about it already. Then there's trackside- but again only preaching to the converted. Why do they not advertise on TV1, 2 or 3 for example and reach a new audience? One of the best marketing tools is the internet. From the Waikato north there are hundreds of horse crazy people connected to pony clubs who all have internet sites and facebook pages, then there are various buy and sell pages, community pages and so on. I know possibly hundreds of people in that sphere but none - that's NONE - ever, that's EVER  - are given access anything about harness racing, the horses, the people involved, the events. The Small's are in both camps as are the Hacket girls but otherwise there is a potential market going untapped. Ex racing standardbreds are competing well in the showring. There is so much that can be drawn upon if the marketing arm actually knew what they were doing and thought outside the square. Once you have these sites on line they can be literally bombarded with news, newsletters and updates on a weekly or monthly basis at the press of a button. Then there's competitions - must have competitions that will get people responding to build a rapport. Must have prizes that will get people of all ages on course, not just free racebooks but family meals, dual carts, stud visits, intro to horsemen etc, etc. I've rambled enough but in short, you have to throw a sprat to catch a mackerel and if you always do what you've always done, you'll simply go down the gurgler and the industry is on the brink of that right now.
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    john legend reacted to Ohokaman in How does   
    Nobody there because they had no clue about promotion. Still don't.