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Well spotted, driving his own team tonight. Lets hope Diababa goes especially well for him and Glynis

Who likes what Friday night with all the money on offer Im going for Winterfell to make a winning reappearance. Opened at 8's but way lower now.

Would you care to comment on the success of BGP or Whips and Spurs or do you think they are not successful at getting younger people involved.

Excellent post, you are not get round the H and S issue you raise as it reduces trainers ACC payments,

You make the same points i made earlier. this is a club race programming issue

Wins 7 races and runs second in the other 2 . Well done Mickey or is that not the right thing to say when someone dominates a meeting

It's a successful model that is employed by most overseas countries. If the slow ones, as you put it are evenly rated a good punting spectacle ensues elsewhere. Why is NZ and different. You see a version of it at most non metrop mid week meetings. I guess we just have to agree to disagree JS

Trains the winners of first 5 races at Manawatu. Sticks driving them all thusfar but great chanes still to come. Wonder what those who don't.like trainers winning too many will have to say about this I have no issue and tip my hat off to.him as he is a great planner

Could you ever possibly accept that some 40 rated horses are at their highest rating at that point and will never get any better. Thus they have a chance in say rating 35-40 races and continue to race for their owners and punters alike cos they still have a chance to earn stake money. Without that sort of option you either sack them or flog them off to Oz

Which is strange given how popular Ellerslie is and its just down the road

Thank god someone else has hit the nail on the head re making more horses competitively rated so they can compete and win $$$$ for owners to pay the bills. They downgrade dogs and horses dont they.

Breeders will always be there for the " lets get out of here" sale to Ozzies. Gallops no different except they don't have AI and thus options to sell to different markets at different price points.

The conspiracy theorists will have a field day with this race and those draws.

What an amazing outcome. Never seen anything like it in Harness before

Im hearing you , when you get that bitter and twisted about things its probably time to reset your views on modern life. His best hope is to actually talk to younger people and find out what they are thinking and what is important to them. I have found it most helpful in business and yes there have been plenty of times when i shake my head in disbelief at what they say and do.

On the contrary stables , my posts have plenty of well researched logic and as well as facts behind them, you cannot say the same for yours although your passion does you some credit. The game will be a round for a lot longer than most of the naysayers like your good self.

And full time negative whinger on this site. Try having a happy thought every now and then instead of calling other contributors tossers as you did to Nick earlier.

Im with you on this one, it will be a big loss for NZMTC

Get HRNZ to develop a coherent business plan in conjunction with NZRB or its successor if one occurs post Messara report and MAC recommendations. More penalty free races for juniors More F and M races with tighter ratings bands A re-look at rating system taking into account different quality of horses competing at the various venues i.e metrop versus country

Yet you want to start a thread and make a whole heap of baseless claims,have a crack at team AS,AGAIN ,for buying 2 yearlings offshore when another NZ trainer spends 83% more at the same sale for 2 yearlings also. Ive caught you out and now you are a victim of your own facade

But what is the future business model for Harness racing, its surely not relying on past initiatives or the AS team leaving NZ. that's what no one seems to want to address both at forum or hierarchy level. For mine and here goes for starters its not spending vast amounts of capital on racecourse infrastructure. The future lies in people/punters continuing to watch Trackside. If that version of media is improving the value add to its customers then harness will prosper. i know some of you will have other great positive ideas so lets dispense with the negative shit, just for once

He bought Wakaki Beach at an Ozzie sale for 20K and look how good it turned out to be. Having a look at APG Melbourne sale results and Purdon bought 2 for an outlay of 70K. Cran also bought 2 but outlayed 130K. What say you Stables to those figures

Your definition of rational differs from Oxford but hey it's Saturday

On the contrary Stables we love Rational Debate on Racecafe .

Its an amateur industry with a few professionals. As for your solution you should turn to comedy as a profession. Please tell us all you were joking with the 2 noms bit.