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14 minutes ago, aquaman said:
You can shape it however you want, but the fact is DDO is the best dog in the litter. Craig is correct in that the more good dogs and bitches that are in the litter the better. This will help a dog like DV having a brother as good.
Don't think anyone has argued other wise? Dyna Double One is one of the best dogs to ever run in Australia. He broke the meadows and Sandown 600m track records within one week both at his first start over the track and distance. Along with his 29.05 gallop at Sandown, He's a freak.
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37 minutes ago, gary1 said:
you maybe right gonsta but at his next runs the best of the night all broke 29.60
32.3 525 MEA R3 03/01/2015 30.04 29.38 13.94 CINCINNATI LEE (30.92) 5.22 4211 M, C4 $1.20F 5 - 
3 6 32.9 525 MEA R5 27/12/2014 30.19 29.52 7.10 DYNA VILLA (29.74) 5.24 4544 M, C2, V0, SW $18.20 SSF -
3 4 32.9 525 MEA R5 20/12/2014 30.26 29.55 2.87 ASTROMATIC (30.08) 5.35 8444 S, C1 $12.30 SH -
2 6 32.8 525 MEA R1 13/12/2014 29.97 29.59 2. 20/12--- Silver chief heats, fastest of night a dog called Dyna Double One ( multiple G1 winner )
27/12--- Silver chief semi finals, fastest of night a dog called Dyna Double one
03/01--- FFA, Allen Deed fastest of night, broke the track record by over a length.
Gummmon Gary, comparing a dog under 2 years old with less than 5 starts and comparing it with those freakish dogs running fastest of night times is one of the worst comparisons you can use.
I would love you to show me an average dog that has broken 29.60 at the meadows, good luck on that one.
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2 minutes ago, aquaman said:
Gary is using the best of night as thats the only relevant time when assessing ability. This is because tracks will run fast or slow depending on weather, prep, and so forth. So best of night is the better guide to ability. Thought that was obvious Gonsta.
Yeah comparing a maiden final to a FFA at one of Australia's premier tracks is a fair guide. The dog that ran fastest of night was a dog called Keybow. Based on times Dyna Vikkers would have finished 3rd in that race, less than half a length off the 2nd dog at his second start...
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15 minutes ago, gary1 said:
sairy please watch the race dyna double one was going away from him and they still ran 5lengths of best ddo went onto improve do you really think aussies would use him stand him along side above all who met the best in aust and beat them no comparison
Don't really see why your using the best of night times as a comparison, especially for a dog not even 2 years old. 29.60 at the meadows wins most G1 races run at the track. How many dogs have broken 29.60 at the meadows? I'd say it will be a pretty elite list of greyhounds.
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12 minutes ago, tonkatime said:
I don't even bother taking exotics on Aussie Dogs or Harness anymore, last night about 9;30 I l flicked over to trackside 2 and there was an Australian dog race about to jump in 1 minute. I think it was either Ballarat or Bendgio I looked at the double pool and it had $2 in it.
The racing board don't seem to worried about sorting the issue and I would have thought they would have taken a massive hit to but every TAB I seem to walk into these days has pokies in it so I guess they are propping things up.
Ditto. I used to religiously take a quaddie on the dogs every Thursday / Saturday night, betting into 20k+ pools, I haven't had one with the NZTAB since they stopped commingling them, ditto with a lot of punting people I know. Same with the Brisbane / Adelaide quaddie's on a Saturday, bet into a pool of $1000 and the most you can make off a 5% ticket is 50, compared to a let's say 100k commingled pool.
Doesn't take a mathematician to see how much it's costing them, a pool of $50 with a 26% takeout rate or a pool of $2000 with a 25% takeout rate. Hmmmmm.
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1 hour ago, Newmarket said:
She has Coolmore on her books for a start. Statistically she has thus far spent, with associates, around 8.6 mio in the first 2 of 3 sessions. Couple that with the 5+ mio she spent at MM's and she must have some serious firepower for the next few seasons.
She's had over 140 named 2yos so far this season. Hate to think how much $$ they cost all together, let alone how many will still be racing as 4yos.
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9 minutes ago, aquaman said:
Because Gonsta, and just for you, the takeout rate has to be the same in both % in both countrys for it to work. And because NZ needs to take more out of the pool to pay for our bureaucracy they are unable to co mingle, thought this was rather obvious.
And you think they are making more money than if it was commingled? Really?? The majority of punters aren't that stupid, no one is betting on any Aus dog quads, harness, and the majority of non guaranteed thoroughbred pools. Same with first 4's etc. I'd be interested in hearing other people's opinions on it but common sense tells me it's in their interest to have commingling back and they have taken a massive hit since it hasn't been.
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18 minutes ago, aquaman said:
The reason for this
The reason for no action is obvious, they want to shaft punters with huge takeouts to pay for their top heavy bureaucracy, and ever falling turnover. They need to stop telling lies on this one.
How is it paying for their "top heavy bureaucracy"?? It's costing them a shit load of money not making them more. I thought that was rather obvious.
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I see this dog has arrived in NZ and now being trained by the Fahey's. Could be one of the best imports to come to NZ if he hasn't had any problems. A serious serious dog with a massive motor. Let's hope we get to see the best of him because he has the potential to be an absolute superstar over here. I really look forward to seeing him line up and hope like hell he stays sound! Great stuff. Has gone a 29.60 around Wentworth park and a 26.05 at Bulli. Those times are sizzling.
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Personally I think $1500 for Dyna Vikkers at stud is extremely expensive when compared to some of the other unproven stud dogs in Aus such as Banjo Boy, ShakeyJakey, Allen Deed etc who are similar price or only a little bit more, and would all give Vikkers wind burn. I know no one is making anyone pay it but I saw an article by Peter Fenemor yesterday saying its "extremely reasonable"... What a laugh.
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45 minutes ago, aquaman said:
Your next point is rubbish Gonsta. This is the one that turnover would be affected if we had no imports. For starters i have not stated we should ban imports, but rather lift the quality of the imports. But for arguments sake, lets say we did ban imports, and all races were NZ breeds only. The effect on turnover would not suffer. We no this by the fact that most of our racing is made up of rubbish fields consisting 80% sprints, in fact, probably the lowest, most boring racing in the world. Yet these races as far as turnover goes gets about the same as a top class race made up of quality Greyhounds. Our punting followers have been dumbed down by wall to wall racing where they will bet on two flys on a wall. Your argument that turnover would suffer does not add up. The punters couldn't give a rats ass where the dogs were whelped.
Aquaman, NZ greyhound racing NEEDS Australian dogs / punters to survive and keep out current stake money. If you honestly think otherwise then you are deluded. The majority of punters in NZ couldn't give a toss about greyhound racing, the only people betting on it are owners / trainers / your mug punters in the tab that bet on every race and the odd greyhound enthusiast like myself that find it a far greater betting oppourtunity than the other 2 codes. It's the complete opposite in Aus, greyhound racing turnover is growing every year, a large number of younger people follow and punt it closely. If there was a ban on a number of Aus dogs then I'm sure Sky in Australia wouldn't think twice about not showing any of our meetings and then you will find the current stake money would be completely unsustainable. Once again go and do some research and find out how much money NZ punters bet on our code last season compared to Australian punters... Why do you think this is?
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10 minutes ago, Thejanitor said:
The Wikipedia item says the drug is used for joint problems, so perhaps Harriet has unsoundness issues? I guess the drug has some sort of anti-inflammatory, pain-killing effect on sore muscles and joints? I'm sure horses are stiff and sore the next day after a hard run. I know I am today after a 16km run on Sunday morning, I rubbed Deep Heat on my tight hamstrings but perhaps instead I should use some of this ketoprofen?
It doesn't appear that the drug has any performance enhancing qualities. The bottle labelled "John Dunn' was not explained, but isn't Aimee his wife/partner? Perhaps they share medications?
It appears to me that this was a case of carelessness on the part of the Edmonds but it is not a good look especially considering the horse has a high profile.
Depends if you consider a pain killing drug to be performance enhancing or not. At the right doses surely it has to be considered one.
I don't know why but the JCA report left a sour taste in my mouth, hence why I'm interested to hear other people's opinions. Thanks Janitor!
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Just now, Thejanitor said:
Use in horses and other animals[edit]
Ketoprofen is a common NSAID, antipyretic, and analgesic used in horses and other equines. It is most commonly used for musculoskeletal pain, joint problems, and soft tissue injury, as well as laminitis. It is also used to control fevers and prevent endotoxemia. It is also used as a mild painkiller in smaller animals, generally following surgical procedures.
In horses, it is given at a dose of 2.2mg/kg/day. Studies have shown that it does not inhibit 5-lipoxygenase and leukotriene B4, as originally claimed. It is therefore not considered superior to phenylbutazone as previously believed, although clinical signs of lameness are reduced with its use. In fact, phenylbutazone was shown superior to ketoprofen in cases of experimentally-induced synovitis when both drugs were used at labeled dosages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoprofen
I did a little research on the drug after I read the jca report... Why would you use the drug after a race / hard run as the trainers claimed? Interesting they had one labeled 'John Dunn' as well.
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36 minutes ago, aquaman said:
To get back on topic. Imports. What do we like about imports?. The first thing that springs to mind is the Genetic pool. Imports are necessary to grow and improve the breed. They give us a yard stick in which to measure NZ breeds, and where they sit on the international scale. They fill a gap where there are shortages of stock. They allow owners to get a ready made product. It allows overseas breeders and owners to send 2nd rate dogs that would otherwise have no future in Australia to race and earn good money here.
The last sentence is the one that i have a problem with. Why, because this is whats dragging NZ breeding down. NZ breeding will never fulfill its potential as long as the breeding stock is second rate. Not all NZ breeding falls into this category, but the majority does.
What do we like about NZ breeds?. First thing that springs to mind is growth. It employs NZers, ie, Vets, feed merchants, race clubs trialing, building for dog rearing, jobs for people looking after and educating pups. NZ owners that reinvest in industry. Growth of punting base by involving family, friends, and neighbors, in watching ,observing development of growing pups. Creating a passion for the sport by being involved from the beginning.
Imports are necessary for growing a world class NZ breed, one that in time could become an export. For this to happen we need to stop NZ being seen as a dumping ground for unwanted weak sprinters, and non chasers. The second thing that i would like to point out is, a lot of these dogs that are sent here are overseas owned. The prize money earned goes one way, and is not reinvested locally to create growth.
So in summation for a pathway to growth, we need imports, but the right ones. How do we achieve this?. We encourage the right ones, and we make it expensive to import the wrong ones. We set the bar at the desired height to achieve this.
NZ breeding is improving in leaps and bounds at the top level, but sadly this is confined to a handfull of astute breeders, but they are showing the way by only using the best stock. This is where our future growth will come from if we are to survive. Relying on imports, and overseas ownership will eventually sink us.
The way you carry on about these "unwanted weak sprinters and non chasers" makes it sound like the majority of NZ bred dogs don't fill that bill. Let's take a look at the current standings for NZ bred dogs this season. https://www.thedogs.co.nz/greyhounds/standings.aspx ... If you go thru that list you will find the majority of them are dogs that can't run 400m, so to blame imports for this is rather short sighted and misleading.
"The second thing that i would like to point out is, a lot of these dogs that are sent here are overseas owned. The prize money earned goes one way, and is not reinvested locally to create growth."
Half the prize money goes overseas, half goes to the trainer in the majority of cases. This is no different in the other 2 codes where a large number of horses / yearlings are brought from overseas owners and some race here, and a large number go to Asia/Aus etc etc. No one is stopping anyone from sending NZ bred dogs to Aus, the facts are tho the majority of our dogs aren't good enough and if you have a dog that is good enough, eg Thrilling Brat / Above All then you reap the benefits ten fold, and the prize money comes back to NZ.
Finally aquaman, this is something that has been raised on here many a time, and I'm sure you already know but over half the turnover on NZ greyhound racing is from Australia. Why do you think this is? Is it because we have such a great product / quality of dog compared to Aus? No.
Is it because a large number of dogs are owner by Australians and they like having a bet on them? Do you think the Aussiee would continue betting on our racing if the majority of imports weren't allowed in? Or is it something different do you think?Greyhound racing in NZ is frowned upon by the majority of kiwis and even a large number of punters that only bet on thoroughbreds or sports.
You can't have it both ways, if you want to prize money to diminish then banning the majority of imports would be a sure fire way of making that happen, that is a FACT.
One last question aquaman, would you have let Dyna Vikkers into the country to race? He was a non chaser, that hasn't looked like putting a foot wrong in NZ, and I don't know about yourself but I LOVE watching that dog race.
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8 minutes ago, jasonmccook1 said:
What happens with late scratching?
"Just a reminder that if your horse is late scratched and you didn't post a sub, you survive but earn no points for the round."
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6 minutes ago, N1MUE said:
Week 9 picks:
Some interesting picks among the top 4. Gonsta making a big play with Sound Proposition - big question - has he been out with the cows this week? (the horse that is, not Gonsta). Hesi coming off three seconds in a row is "born to be wild" this week. Sarah is on one of my best bets for the day - no offence Sarah but I'm hoping you're wrong - I think this is a very special horse (with a very special jockey aboard). Good luck to all.
Winx 151.34 Haha!!! Cheers for the laugh mate, and agree with you about Exosphere, I reckon he could do something pretty special today as well.
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M2 R5 #2
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19 minutes ago, 23Tank said:
Race 1, C1 3.07???WTF
I don't believe it's all down to breeding improvements, training advances bla, bla bla.
"If somethings seems to good to be true, it usually is"
Who trains the horse? Why is it in this thread and who are you referring to in your statements?
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Premier league darts this morning. bit of value if you can find it.
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Along with the dogs not being physically ready, but what McInerney is doing is mentally thrashing his pups as well. Going to the race track 3 times in 72 hours for such a young immature dog cannot be doing them any good. I look forward to revisiting this thread in 6-12 months and seeing how these dogs have fared.
I'm 1000% positive you would never see a patient trainer like Ray Adcock ever exploiting his young pups like this ever. A rule change is needed immediately because it seems $$ is far more important than animal welfare for some people.
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Pretty much the same thing with Holly Blue Blood... 3 races in the same time span for a extremely young inexperienced pup. He's taking the phrase 'bred to run young' to a whole different level.
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11 minutes ago, modest mouse said:
months.
Lol. Edited thanks. I'll blame auto correct for my error
LGL III - Round 10 (9 April) entries
in Thoroughbred Competitions and Tips
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