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  1. This is nothing to do with the dogs stand down it is to do with the eligibility clause......and the interpretation.....and no when the dog was nommed it was not disqualified.....28days if you can find enough fingers is the 24th ot may...so how can it still be disqualified on the 20th of june...

  2. 2 hours ago, SoFunny said:

    Must be a connection of the dog to make two ridiculous statements like this. The dog was not eligible to race in NZ when the cutt off point was reached. He could not be nommed for any race. The amazing chase is no different. Just ask the Faheys who were told they had to re-qualify there dog last year.

    So first, lets discuss the conditions of the race listed below:

    •  The Amazing Chase shall be open to all greyhounds C1 and above who are eligible to race in New Zealand at Noon on Wednesday 20 June 2018

    The dog had not re-qualified by the 20th June 2018, therefore the dog was still dis-qualified for his offence which would mean he is NOT eligible to race in NZ. Here is the definition of what it is meant to be disqualified under the NZGRA constitution:

    • Disqualify means in relation to a Person or a Greyhound means the loss of all rights, licences or registrations under these Rules and Disqualification shall have a corresponding meaning

    The dog was disqualified, therefore he had no right to be nominated for that race. The dog was also ordered to complete a Satisfactory trial in Australia. Our own rules regarding satisfactory trials state as such:

    • 38.10 Where a Greyhound is ordered pursuant to these Rules to undergo a Satisfactory Trial the Greyhound shall not be permitted to compete in or be nominated for any Race until there has been compliance with the following provisions: (a) The Trainer of the Greyhound shall make application to a Club that the Satisfactory Trial be conducted. (b) The Club upon receipt of such application shall make the necessary arrangements and shall advise the Trainer accordingly. (c) The Satisfactory Trial shall be conducted with a field of Greyhounds as determined by the Stewards over a similar distance or distance approved by the Stewards. For clearance at all venues the Satisfactory Trial may be performed at any venue. (d) The Satisfactory Trial shall be completed in the presence of and to the satisfaction of a Steward or Authorized Person.

    Reading these rules, its clear that a disqualified dog needing a satisfactory trial has lost all of its rights, licenses and registrations until he has re-qualified and should not have been nommed due to these rules. The conditions for the race also state that the dog has to be eligible to race in NZ by the 20th June which is not the case according to these rules as the dog was DQ, therefore he had NO RIGHTS until he had completed a satisfactory trial. 

    The trainer should also be fined for this as he nommed a dog that at the time, was ineligible to enter any racing events per the rule book. What a shambles for an event such as this. You would never see these mistakes being made in Australia for a racing series with 60k worth of stakes involved

     

    Thanks gavin

  3. 14 hours ago, Flabbergasted said:

    Given that the information was correct in that the dog needs to requalify then for mine it is ineligible as it wasn't eligible when the nominations closed.    

    Haha...the dog was eligible to race in nz...otherwise it would not have racing papers and been graded here...was it qualified to race here ..no...but that was not the condition of the race....the dog was not under suspension its 28days were up on the 24th of may....it was subject to a satisfactory trial.........remember the dog still has not been nominated for a trial or a race in the amazing chase...

  4. My point is I have not nominated a dog to race I have just put a dog in a series...even if he re qualifies I do not have to start him and if I choose that road there is no penalty....he has not been nominated to race...I have to nominate for a trial or a race and cannot do so until he requalifys....no more comments from this end...

     

  5. 1 hour ago, hairy jerry said:

    there is a difference

    Race conditions
    • The Amazing Chase shall be open to all greyhounds C1 and above who are eligible to race in New Zealand at Noon on Wednesday 20 June 2018.

    the above condition does not exist with the futurity.

    No difference....you are still nominating a unqualified dog which is against the rules.......when I nominated I asked the question and was told he was eligible as he was registered in nz and the eligibility clause was put in to stop Australian greyhounds flying over for lt.....last year riding shotgun was nommed as a maiden....I questioned it and was told as long as it qualified as a c1 before  it ran its trial or race it was eligible....it ran second in the final...

  6. 11 hours ago, MiniJax said:

    ‘If’

    The dog has not yet been nommed to start in any race or trial yet for the amazing chase....it is no different than the Canterbury  futurity were you nom a litter or a pup but cant start in the quali races until you qualify are these dogs eligible as they are not even named?...the dog can not be nominated for his trial or a race until he requalifys ..

  7. 43 minutes ago, Betting man said:

    I assume that somewhere there is a constantly updating list of the nominated dogs trial/race times,  can someone tell me where i can view please?  

    It is an exciting series but only if we can follow it and see what’s going on!

    Nzgra site...under amazing chase...push were it says more.....all updated on fastest times...cheers clarky

  8. 9 hours ago, Alison said:

    Talking with Ray last week he won’t be standing at stud

     

    No matter were he goes he deserves a great retirement...were would distance racing with out him....congrats to all who have been part of him including thayne green who has been in the background but he was at his place for both collars ..enjoy your retirement and I would think stayer of the year title..

  9. 13 minutes ago, Flabbergasted said:

    It would depend: For example if there were only 6 more noms and they were two maidens over 375, two C2's over 457, one C5 375 and one more for the NZ racing series which already had three heats and only one with a vacancy then possibly only four races would be affected therefor there would be no need to redraw any of the remaining races.  

    I do see where Mike is coming from...the meeting was scheduled wrong ..so noms were reopened because of this and if done correctly all fields should have been redrawn after the new closing time....effectively the first draw was non invoid......but it doesn't matter now it's in the past

  10. On 26/06/2018 at 7:05 PM, jimbob said:

    Iam all over Pirates Cove for a place at 16s, doesn't try that hard in a field, this concept suits the dog

    Geez jimbob have you got bibola...one minute the dogs a waste of time and now it can place in the amazing chase...just wonder what and how your knowledge makes this comment.....have you seen it trial on it's own....remember it wont get in a 2 dog race till the finals....

  11. On 26/06/2018 at 0:19 PM, GOM said:

    There are dogs that were in that are now reserves. Karen had a dog in the heats of the NZ series with the form 11 now has two in with other's form 111 . The whole thing is not right. 

    Steve you say you blame Auckland because they CONTROL Waikato , would you not think one of the Waikato staff that had to work on the night let alone the president who had dogs entered, have an idea what was going on. Wayne were you one of the trainers that entered more after the initial fields were published?

    Mike..agree 100per cent...association have taken the fall for the mistake but I'm sure there would be others who could of redirected the problem...does no club check there schedule?...and yes you got my pun about waikato being run from auckland...lol

  12. Just now, Hound Fan said:

    Schedule says 4.30 start...night meeting....I cant nom for night racing simply because I have to many dogs to leave for 8hrs to go racing...day time no problem because I'm home to feed them after the races....after a complaint nzgra did the right decision to reopen moms  ...they blamed themselfs which is honorable ....but  come on are you telling me the auckland club didn't see this???????....come on....good on grnz ..poor from auckland..

     

    And sorry I blame auckland because they control cambridge

  13. Schedule says 4.30 start...night meeting....I cant nom for night racing simply because I have to many dogs to leave for 8hrs to go racing...day time no problem because I'm home to feed them after the races....after a complaint nzgra did the right decision to reopen moms  ...they blamed themselfs which is honorable ....but  come on are you telling me the auckland club didn't see this???????....come on....good on grnz ..poor from auckland..

     

  14. 16 minutes ago, Emotive said:

    Totally agree with both comments above. I could not believe that the club reps signed away our rights so willingly. A million dollar industry with no member representation what so ever. Who does that? The apathy was deafening! Shame!

    Also totally agree with you Lowdown on the baiting debacle.

     

    Agree and as I said to Greg Kerr at the silver collar  meeting ..fine wait for the spca on live baiting but there is no reason not to charge them on dead baiting under our rules pending the live baiting.. ..it is so clear  even stevie wonder can see that....more head in the sand stuff from our board when it suits....it will bite them in the bun in the finish .

  15. 18 minutes ago, Lowdown said:

    Too many people (LP's) burying their heads in the sand and looking after their own backs, like you say without a whimper. Doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing, staying quiet when people needed to speak up.

    Example you mention LP Rep, the last Election was a shambles, it was simply an exercise to get rid of the position!! the CEO and Chairman at that time were caught out with some dodgy dealings, G Calverly was always to stay on board regardless of how few votes he got!! and if LPs really gave a shit about stamping out corruption and power tripping from the top, that was one time to speak up and do it! but they rolled over and accepted lies, thus the powers continued on milking their respective agendas to the maximum knowing that if LPs stand for nothing they'll fall for everything! Those men have now jumped off a damaged ship with their own personal agendas beautifully executed.

    Also theres LP's that could've and should've spoken up during the recent media/SPCA attention around live/dead baiting, you know who you are, but again people going quiet, looking after their own interests, they might think that's the best thing for industry but it's not, it's not fair on those telling the TRUTH, not to mention those who abide by the rules. Also during that time I would've liked to hear a 'straight' high profile trainer come out and just make a statement along lines... "I dont do this" but no just SILENCE from within!! We remember how it looked when media got SILENCE then got booted off course?

    The industry has and will continue to suffer a lot, but not because of the actions of bad people but because of the silence of good people! As Martin Luther King Jnr once said "there comes a time when silence is betrayal".

     

     

    You know the biggest problem is ego...we have a majority of people in the sport now that never fought for anything..and think there's a living in it...most young ones don't and will never own a property because they are not prepared to work in a real job and get one...greyhound racing will not provide that unless it's a hand me down.....geez if they knew why greyhound racing is at manukau now and how much some went through to make sure it stayed ...there is not one of them would put that effort in...like our head office and our board and our failed lp rep they take it for granted...they think succes is in a computer...not hard graf.....

  16. 18 minutes ago, Betting man said:

    On the contrary GOM, my source is a member of the RIU, no reason for them to lie...

    Nothing is going to change...the one thing I bet the riu informant you spoke to will also tell you that they know dennis did not give the dogs p or take it himself to contaminate the said dog....the only thing he in my opinion is guilty of is backing his son and the hanger ons for so long......what happened to the 4 horses that gave positives to p at taranaki.....oh it was someone else not the trainers......sorry guys double standards ....punish I agree...destroy a innocent man for stupidity I don't agree....just my opinion

  17. 10 hours ago, Joe blogs said:

    Mouse why is it so so sad the dog had drugs in its system 

    Are you saying that they should have be let off 

    Dennis knows what the risk that he took by not living there and having David in charge the kennel already had a positive for the same drug

    It's a hard one and I believe we should all just leave it now.....as I've said Dennis and I have not always seen eye to eye but to see this happen does sadden me.....to have everything you've worked for taken away at there age is a hard pill to swallow.........I just hope all this isn't to take the focus of the other case,,,