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    Stables got a reaction from tasman man 11 in $15K all races in July   
    God some people are never happy
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    Stables got a reaction from LongOwner in Small owners and Covid   
    I have heard one prominent administrator say that breeders will help the industry to recover by putting the horses they have bred into work, because of their age they have already accumulated cash and assets which allows them to afford to race horses.
     
    This doesn't fit the picture of most horse breeders that I know
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    Stables reacted to nomates in Why Racing way down Winnie's $$$ queue   
    Free to air racing on TV , you could ring up and put a $1 bet on , you would speak to a person when you rang to put a bet on . Then it changed to pay to view thru Sky TV , You then had to have a minimum spend when you rang up and talked to an operator , then they got rid of operators and you had to use touch tone . All these killed off a huge percentage of older and lower socio ecomomic spenders .It didn't matter they couldn't afford sky they could at least listen on the radio , but raising minimum spend and then forcing people onto touch tone was all to much . Killed the $1/$2 bettor and then the ones that couldn't get to a TAB couldn't get to grips with touch tone . All these decisions were made apparently to help build their market . How do you think their market reacted ? . I know many elderly people who have stopped betting over the last 10 or so years as these strategies were implimented . 
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    Stables reacted to Nerula in Are Trainers supporting the Trainers Association   
    Greg all sector groups get support from NZTR to keep communications to the participants going. Owners not much and Trainers less
    I can tell you Owners are supporters generally of NZTR efforts. But that support does not extend to towing a line. I edited the now suspended Owners Bulletin for 10 years and maintained independence all the time.. I will have a crack at anyone who suggests otherwise.
    You are wrong to suggest that sector groups are trying to undermine what the Minister and RITA wanted to do with the Messara Report.  It is the bureaucrats who have written the bill to capture the industry that have "screwed the scrum".
    You are right there is a lot going on behind the scenes and one side is being worked by people who are unpaid. Please get off their back!
    The bald truth - TAB / RITA are broke. They want a bailout from Government but the Govt are busy right now bailing out others. Winnie comes back to Welly from his beach place so there might be some answers soon.
    What the sector group are doing with pressure is to find answers. The OIA may do that.
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    Stables got a reaction from LongOwner in Small owners and Covid   
    I have heard one prominent administrator say that breeders will help the industry to recover by putting the horses they have bred into work, because of their age they have already accumulated cash and assets which allows them to afford to race horses.
     
    This doesn't fit the picture of most horse breeders that I know
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnipOrange in Are Trainers supporting the Trainers Association   
    At the moment we can barely find enough money to pay stakes, how could we afford to establish a new training school
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    Stables got a reaction from Gruff in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    Gruff, I have had a lot of respect for your comments regarding racing matters. You've always been pretty accurate in the things you say. I am sorry, however but your support for 100 in the subjects he has raised under this heading make me wonder if my previous assessment of your intellect was seriously misguided
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    Stables got a reaction from Hunter the punter in RITA’s future   
    Yes you are right, service fees are way too high and the resulting foals are hardly likely to be worth much more than the service fee. Perhaps breeders should take a leaf out of Tony Pikes book and refuse to send any mares to stud until all service fees are halved
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    Stables got a reaction from Gruff in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    Gruff, I have had a lot of respect for your comments regarding racing matters. You've always been pretty accurate in the things you say. I am sorry, however but your support for 100 in the subjects he has raised under this heading make me wonder if my previous assessment of your intellect was seriously misguided
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    Stables reacted to We're Doomed in Owners muscle up with OIA requests   
    It does show the stupidity of the old Racing Authority and the old TAB both now being merged as Rita. (Stupid bloody name too, everytime I see it mentioned on the news I wonder what the hell the public must think it means)
    It is becoming totally obvious that the TAB should just be allowed to go bust and the industry should get in an overseas operator to provide betting services, with an upfront fee to fund stakes until the industry gets moving again.
    Bit hard for rita to declare itself bankrupt. Can it chop off one arm and retain the other? How the hell can an incompetent, bankrupt outfit have a gig on the side where they are supposed to manage the entire racing industry. People have to get over the idea that the TAB is somehow an integral part of the industry. They are a service organisation, they are as relevant as the people who provide the pies or the hotdogs for race meetings. They can be replaced, just like any other supplier to the industry.
    I just hope the racing industry hasn't somehow signed a personal guarantee to guarantee the TAB's $80m odd of debt.
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    Stables reacted to Idolmite in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    Yes, a horse and dog racing site is where I always go to get my best pandemic and medical information.......
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    Stables got a reaction from Patiti in RITA’s future   
    Rita is scheduled to cease to exist as 31 July 2020 under the terms of the Racing act currently before Parliament. Rita is not funded by Racing but by a special grant from the Government. The only thing that would prevent the closing down of Rita would be if the new Racing Act is not passed before 31 July. That of course is a possibility as there may well be other priorities for Parliament due to their extended close down due to covid 19 
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    Stables reacted to Emotive in 2020 Derby, Oaks & futurity   
    The world is being forced into a radical rethink and not before time. For once in my lifetime, nature has been allowed to breathe. We are witnessing natural phenomena that humanity has never experienced before. People who never exercised now stroll pollution free streets. Families sit down to dinner cooked from scratch. Gardening has become a thing once more. A new type of hero emerges, they are not the 5 million dollar All Black, the overpaid CEO of Spark. Many positives balance tragedy and hardship. Every aspect of our lives is being examined and re-examined. Nature has hit the reset button.

    The racing industry was in trouble long before COVID-19 reared its head. The divisions within growing at an alarming rate. We created and promoted monopolies, we adopted a more is better mentality, a corporate culture of saturation. Those at the top believing they are all that and renumerating themselves accordingly, those attached reaping the benefits of that aliance. We now see that model failing across the world. From our lounge sofa, we are watching the world unravel. Nothing will ever be the same again.

    We somehow believe we are important, that we are untouchable. Big mistake. Fact is we are non-essential. We exist to satisfy the needs of a very small percentage of the population and that is scary. We have the opportunity to make ourselves over. To discard what came before and start anew. Strength comes from supporting each other, not propping up the few. Over the next six months, life will be very challenging and I personally don't believe that our present leadership has what it takes to get us through. They seem hellbent on following an existing prescription, a flawed model.

    We have the opportunity to make ourselves over, use our time in pain to build a solid industry where all prosper. We don't need 60K or 30K races, we need a healthy industry that satisfies public expectations, that supports participant and canine health. We need to clean up our act if we are to recover and thrive. Saturation will kill us.

    Well done Adam for looking for solutions, unfortunately, to experience future growth you first need to fix the cracked foundation.
     
     
     
     
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnyTom in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    I find it hard to believe that National would win the next election while they have Simple Simon in charge
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    Stables got a reaction from d.burrow in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    Leggy, I hope you would be saying the same things about Air New zealand and the NZ Rugby Union, just to name a couple. They were shining lights of New Zealand and have received huge Government bailouts. Racing was in the process of sorting things out when the covid 19 pandemic struck and as a result of no money coming in for the whole structure of New zealand racing from the TAB down to trainers , jockeys and stablehands, for 2 to 3 months, everybody is under extreme financial strain. Michael Pitman is right NZ Racing has paid billions of dollars in taxation to the Government over the years, from a tax on turnover, GST, and Taxes on Income and PAYE. It is only fair and right that Racing get funding from the Government to ensure that an industry that employs and supports thousands of people, has a chance to get back on its feet. Naysayers such as you have no idea how much racing has contributed towards the financial security of our country and it is just common sense to ensure the continuation of racings input into New Zealands economy for several decades into the future by providing us with a rebate on all those taxes paid to get us back on our feet
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnyTom in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    I find it hard to believe that National would win the next election while they have Simple Simon in charge
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    Stables got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in A MESSAGE FROM NATIONAL PRESIDENT, TONY PIKE   
    This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it all the same. Each code was given a distribution to cover all racing for the 2019/2020 season. These funds were to cover 12 months of racing. We haven't raced for 6 weeks or so and it will be another month for Harness Racing to start and another 2 months for Thoroughbred racing. What has happened to the stakes distribution paid out to cover these periods, 14 weeks stakes money for Standardbreds and 18 weeks for Thoroughbreds                  
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    Stables got a reaction from Ragamuffin in A MESSAGE FROM NATIONAL PRESIDENT, TONY PIKE   
    When was the last time stake levels were high enough to  justify owners having a horse in work
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnyTom in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    I find it hard to believe that National would win the next election while they have Simple Simon in charge
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnyTom in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    I find it hard to believe that National would win the next election while they have Simple Simon in charge
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    Stables reacted to Berri in A MESSAGE FROM NATIONAL PRESIDENT, TONY PIKE   
    I don't agree. I don't think a good job has been done. I can only react to the first job, which was the execution of the proposed Racing Bill. Prior to this happening, the backbone of the industry was reviewed and assessed by John Messara. He created a blue print to follow. The Minister for Racing promised us that he would follow Messara's recommendations and his agents, RITA, were mandated to deliver the legal documentation framework to do this. The proposed Bill was an absolute disaster. I could put up with Dean saying that he could not get what he wanted from those green twats who want to eliminate gambling and abuse to animals. I could understand if Dean went to the industry as explained that he fought like hell but he couldn't get what we wanted across the line. But that didn't happen.
    I went to two of Dean's industry presentations and unfortunately (and I like Dean) the content of what he said was lamentable. He tried to sell the proposed Bill!. The Titanic would have sunk faster if it had more obvious holes as the Bill did. I don't see any changes after over a year of patience by us all and I think everything is done as an after thought and not a well timed, well executed  process. 
    This RITA  crew have done everything behind closed doors. That's not what is currently needed. It needs an open sourced style so that the industry feels as though its being listened to. Through collaboration we can achieve good, big things....but that isn't being done. Everything seems to be extracted like hens teeth and under duress. This is not a good leaders style and we need a good leader. Small things like telling us that they have taken pay cuts, even as a gesture to all those who are broke and have been socially smashed, is leadership. Consultation on a daily basis within a Zoom cast would help built confidence. It doesn't cost anything. 
    If I was in the role, I would have published a pin point plan in an attempt to track performance. You may not hit the marks but everyone would know how. and why we failed or succeeded.  How could you currently not know the availability of stakes unless you had NO MONEY at all. If this is the case, RITA has to come clean. If it needs to raise $80m, it must publish this instantly so that we can all prepare. 
    If I found out that we needed to borrow $80m, then I would entertain the idea of placing the game into statutory management. As this is going to be a noose for all of us in the years to come, we should be afforded the honesty and respect to understand the problems, and be asked what we all think. This is NOT RITA's industry. It is NOT the government's industry. It is OUR industry.
    So think very carefully. This has been and still is a very shoddy job. I seem to have been saying this since 1994 and everything stated at that time by a collective group of experienced racing and horse people seems to have come to pass. It almost seems as though a revolution must take place to get this right.
    And make no bones about it, the Greens are our public enemy number one. They must go. Their ideals will destroy us all and a bigger group called farmers.
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnyTom in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    I find it hard to believe that National would win the next election while they have Simple Simon in charge
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    Stables got a reaction from TurnyTom in Lincoln Farms boss slams RITA   
    I find it hard to believe that National would win the next election while they have Simple Simon in charge
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    Stables got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in A MESSAGE FROM NATIONAL PRESIDENT, TONY PIKE   
    This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask it all the same. Each code was given a distribution to cover all racing for the 2019/2020 season. These funds were to cover 12 months of racing. We haven't raced for 6 weeks or so and it will be another month for Harness Racing to start and another 2 months for Thoroughbred racing. What has happened to the stakes distribution paid out to cover these periods, 14 weeks stakes money for Standardbreds and 18 weeks for Thoroughbreds