John Clydesdale
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Question for Dean
There are various platforms available in the communication world today. But the TAB have closed the door on the phone punters and the small bettors that had an interest, and also closed the various TAB sites and agencies around the country, therefore leading to the closure of the 4 to 5 hours of churn betting that such platforms generated.
Can we expect to see a return of phone betting and less closures of TAB outlets to facilitate the 20% of betting that was lost as a result of such closures? The average age of a racing bettor is increasing and that age is not a reflection of the latest communication platforms available in NZ.
There could be an increase of up to 10% betting available if they understand markets and customers!!
John
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The decision to move away from phone betting was taken in 2016. Like other industries, TAB customers were increasingly shifting online. At the time, more than 70% of customers over 65 were using online channels and very few new customers were using the Phonebet service. The TAB has continued to provide touchtone betting and a phone service for medically restricted customers. As we look to increase distributions to industry we have to be very conscious of our spend as well as what our customers want. Returning to phonebet is not an investment we are looking to make.
The retail network remains a very important part of the TAB offering . However, given the ongoing migration of customers to other channels, we are constantly reviewing our network to ensure it’s fit for purpose and commercially viable. We have more than 500 TAB outlets around the country and we continue to invest in our branches to improve the customer experience.But it’s also a very costly part of our business so we need to continue to be mindful of driving efficiencies where we can, including through our online offering.
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I have two mares from this family, whilst not black type horses, they have left plenty of winners. Blancpain, the best of them and all hers to race have won.
It was witnessing Il Tempo winning the Cups that prompted me to get in the family, backed up of course by Show Gate and her wonderful deeds. I just need to breed one with a bit of the class of those two horses and I would be happy.
cheers
John
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Does anyone know how/when the computer upgrades it’s betting?
I went to have a bet on my IPad on a horse racing tomorrow, somehow the TAB doesn’t like IPads at the moment. So I use my phone. 3 hours ago, the race had $81 in the win pool. I backed the horse I wanted. 3 hours later, the win pool is $86 and yet the money for my bet has left my account, but clearly not into the win pool as my bet was modest but significantly it would have put the win pool into three figures.
How does this multi million dollar contraption work?
Just saying Glenda
John Clydesdale
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15 hours ago, tripple alliance said:
You ask the question , where's the money coming from , well that simple , it's from racefields and the POC tax , IF and that's a big IF this strategy is successful then we will be between $50 and $70 million a year better off , only time will tell if this is a fairy tale or not .
Assuming it proves itself then that's the time to look at doing some fine tuning .
The only reason the now non existent RB could be described as exposed is because they invested $40 million in a new business strategy and bankrolled stakes to a minimum of $10 , all based on racefields and the POC tax , they weren't to know Winston would delay the introduction of this strategy costing the industry many many millions in lost profits.
I do remember Winston and many in the industry running around quoting each other on racefields , ITs NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE , well that must have been wrong as it's gone through parliament exactly as it was initially set out .
Tripple, where do you get $ 50 - $70 from? Not a show in the next few years.
Go back ten years and look at the Balance Sheet of the Racing Board, that will explain to you how idiot after idiot believed they could expand the make things improve and work well. All they did, bankers and the unprofessionals like John Allen was to use reserves completely, sell the assets (eg. purpose built building) and then borrow money to exist on their total misunderstanding of the industry. Between the Stiassny (sp?) and the Hughes techno disasters, these Wally’s have spent in excess of $60 million designing a platform that we did not need to make, it existed already. Not only that, they have warranted their own self importance by increasing the overhead of their own operations to a level that now almost equals the total local turnover of our code. The plonkers have a belief they were doing a good job...........................Beggars belief that they thought they were doing a good job.
Racefields and POC are going to provide input, but we have to get the costs and overheads out of the management pronto, but that is going to cost money as JA and his sycophants will have very profitable exist clauses no doubt. I would say 20% cost deletion out of management, but the upfront cost will have to met and amortised over time.
But where does the money come from........? I’m picking we won’t last next season without a significant input from somewhere......that will have to be borrowing, or maybe the Jones fund, but it will certainly have to be a reduction in races staged as we will not have the funds to run them. Accounting 101.
Just saying
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43 minutes ago, Trump said:
I would have thought that “Cost Reduction” would have to be the No 1 priority. Any business, be it banks, airlines, telcos etc, when faced with diminished revenues, cuts their costs accordingly. I went to a “really good” award winning restaurant in the Gold Coast Hinterland thinking it would be a nice lunch spot to take the missus. We were the only persons there. on arrival, the Chef took us to a great table looking into the rainforest. The same Chef took our drinks orders, opened and poured our wine, took our food orders, cooked the food and delivered it to the table. Collected our plates, made and delivered us coffee and finally, placed the Bill on our table. I asked him where his waiters, barista’s and bar staff were? He replied, “I have to cut my cloth to suit the day and a rainy tues in the Hinterland is always going to keep the tourists away, so I can cater for about 8 max today - but I think you’re going to be it!”. The meal and service was superb and a kookaburra even perched on the chair next to us and dined on the missus’ bread roll! So, my point is to use our dining experience as a analogy, you have to cut your cloth accordingly. I think costs could be trimmed quite easily. Even a 5% cut will return additional funds to other needy areas
Trump you are so right. I am not sure what Tripple is on, but he is miles away from reality.
The question I need an answer to is, where is the money going tome from to;
- to sustain the industry
- pay the exit clauses on the contracts that prevail under the Allen regime
- create the marketing change that delivers more to racing than the focus on sports that delivers very little to us
- so where does the dosh come from, Allen and the Chair have exposed the industry to the extent that we have become a risk to lenders on any platform.
Just saying............
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This is an interesting challenge and I wish Tony and the Archers the best of luck. But you need a truck load of it to get the loot. We raced a horse in the race many years back that could run 1600m in 1.32.29 (won the Easter in that time) who trailed for most of the run in the Straddie, then has a hiccup, and Thorn Park strode home in a really good time off that very quick pace. If Cahill can get the same sit as the two runs so far, then he is a winning chance. But believe me, luck is significant in this race, the pony from New Plymouth being testimony to that effect.
All the best for the Boston connections
John
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RR - A lot of companies now lease, or lease to own, as a means of getting the vehicle and paying a little more to do so, and then hand the vehicle back should they upgrade or go broke. It is still subject to tax implications which I won’t bore you with, but fair to say they are paying for the privilege in some way shape or form.
A lot of people want to look the bis and are willing to pay the cash for it.
I prefer your logic personally.
cheers
John
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21 hours ago, Red Rum said:
I think you will find most rich are clever and use tax loopholes , maybe that new car is brought through a company which then gets depreciation , get refunds and all manner of cash backs. Waged earner gets FA back and pays for everything .As everywhere those at top doing well , those at bottom looked after and those in middle pay for the lot of them up and down.
RR, you need to have a look at NZ Tax laws when talking about new cars.
Something call Fringe benefit Tax applies to cars, tax rate (last time I looked) 45%. Depreciation claim is slower than the drop in value of the car, no refunds at all and you keep paying the FBT on the purchase price value, not the current value.
You should look at the Tax laws in NZ instead of making ridiculous proclamations about cars and refunds and cash backs.
Cheers
John
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Hi Leo
I am not going to inflate the fire by annoying you with detail, but......whilst I share some similar concerns with NZTR, the industry is a bulk funded platform as per the 2003 Act. So each code gets their apportioned share of the available spare from the NZRB to operate their business.
Your ex mate from the Eastern suburbs spent $22 mil on Typhoon that was chucked in the tip. At 14.5% of turnover, work out the numbers as to the turnover that fired against the porcelain. J Allen has no idea of the value of a dollar.
J Allen is an flee economically. Sold the granite, the purpose built Perone building, and drained the $20 mil of reserves he had when he took up the role. The guy has absolutely no idea what he is doing running a business. He never has run a successful business. Whilst verbose and interesting to listen to, he is humorous as he no knowledge of what he is talking about.
He has spent the borrowed $25 mil and RITA get the hospital pass to extend the credit line. He is responsible, no question.
You have been there with regards spend versus debt and you have learned, this codger has not learned a skerret from his underwhelming performances at NZ Post or MFAT and we, the industry, are paying the price.
Unless the credit line is extended from August 1st, with turnover dropping as a result of an inferior website performance, the thoroughbred distribution to NZTR to operate the code drops dramatically and so racing has a reduction both in stakes and horse volume. They are all interconnected as a result of a CEO not knowing what the hell he is doing, on any front!!
Turnover drives any industry, yours, mine and racing, when it drops so does the scope of that business performance within any industry. Pure economics 101 my friend.
Cheers
John
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Hi fans, have a look at the main race yesterday at Rotorua, Zacada was in front for the length of the straight, wasn’t he?
cheers
John
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Leo
What a croc! Adamson got the heave from Fletchers for obvious losses, Allen has proportionately generated bigger losses from a no competition monopoly. The guy got the flick by McCully after his fiasco at MFAT, and palmed him off to his ding dong cabinet mate from Foxton to look after Racing.
Spare me, if you think he shouldn’t be given the heave for bad management, then you clearly know little about what happens in Wellington.
NZRB paid $265K for the Best Bets masthead, check the Balance Sheet. News Media, owners of BB could not believe their luck. A form guide that was going down the drain and the NZRB paid the dough. The man at the centre of that is now a consultant to NZRB, there is your answer.
J Allen has a history of failures in business, this will be yet another because he excessively spends money and creates turnover losses unprecedented by any monopoly business NZ has known.....and it is not his responsibility?
Does this not sink in to your thinking?
cheers
John
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6 hours ago, Nasrullah said:
While race ability has been shown to have a major component on a stallions success at stud, there are other factors also such as pedigree.
A reminder Savabeel won the Cox Plate.
Great thing about breeding- there are no rules!
Totally correct. Huey is using post racing history to judge a race. Winx?????
cheers
John
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The Lion confirmed Berri.
Outstanding opportunity from a branch of the Sadlers Wells line that works everywhere.
Well done Cambridge Stud.
On 4/1/2019 at 10:29 AM, Berri said:Mate of mine in the UK tells me that there's been some activity in that department. Certain representatives have been seen around the traps. I know there was an offer of $50m for the horse from Japan last year.
Cheers
John
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4 hours ago, Nasrullah said:
Firstly the Japan Cup is one of the world most highly ranked races based on facts.
THE WORLD'S TOP 100 GROUP/GRADE ONE RACES for 3yo's and upwards - 2018
Rank Race Distance
(Metres)Cat. Surface Race Track Country Qualification Pattern Race Rating 1 Qatar Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe 2400 L T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 3+ 125.00 2 LONGINES Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2000 I T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 123.75 3 Prince of Wales's Stakes 2000 I T ASCOT GB 4+ 123.25 4= Juddmonte International Stakes 2080 I T YORK GB 3+ 123.00 4= LONGINES Dubai Sheema Classic 2410 L T MEYDAN UAE 4+ 123.00 6 Breeders' Cup Classic 2000 I D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 122.75 7= Japan Cup in association with LONGINES 2400 L T TOKYO JPN 3+ 122.50 7= Ladbrokes Cox Plate 2040 I T MOONEE VALLEY AUS 3+ 122.50 9= The Agency George Ryder Stakes 1500 M T ROSEHILL AUS 3+ 122.25 9= Colgate Optic White Stakes 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 122.25 9= Prix Ganay - Prix de l'Inauguration de ParisLongchamp 2100 I T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 4+ 122.25 12= Investec Derby 2400 L T EPSOM DOWNS GB 3yo 121.75 12= King George VI & Queen Elizabeth Stakes 2400 L T ASCOT GB 3+ 121.75 12= Coral-Eclipse 2000 I T SANDOWN PARK GB 3+ 121.25 12= QIPCO Champion Stakes 2000 I T ASCOT GB 3+ 121.25 16 Darley T. J. Smith Stakes 1200 S T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 121.00 17= Arima Kinen (The Grand Prix) 2500 L T NAKAYAMA JPN 3+ 120.75 17= Kentucky Derby Presented by Woodford Reserve 2000 I D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3yo 120.75 17= Tenno Sho (Autumn) 2000 I T TOKYO JPN 3+ 120.75 17= Winx Stakes (Ex Warwick) 1400 M T RANDWICK AUS 3yo+ 120.75 21= Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud 2400 L T SAINT-CLOUD FR 4+ 120.25 21= LONGINES Breeders' Cup Turf 2400 L T CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 120.25 21= QIPCO Irish Champion Stakes 2000 I T LEOPARDSTOWN IRE 3+ 120.25 21= Tab Turnbull Stakes 2000 I T FLEMINGTON AUS 4+ 120.25 25 Prix du Haras de Fresnay-le-Buffard - Jacques Le Marois 1600 M T DEAUVILLE FR 3+ 120.00 26= Kirin Doomben 10,000 1200 S T DOOMBEN AUS 3+ 119.75 26= Prix du Moulin de Longchamp 1600 M T PARISLONGCHAMP FR 3+ 119.75 28 Schweppes All Aged Stakes 1400 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 119.50 29= Champions Mile 1600 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25 29= Citi Hong Kong Gold Cup 2000 I T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25 29= LONGINES Hong Kong Mile 1600 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.25 29= Queen Elizabeth II Stakes 1600 M T ASCOT GB 3+ 119.25 29= TwinSpires Breeders' Cup Sprint 1200 S D CHURCHILL DOWNS USA 3+ 119.25 34= Chairman's Sprint Prize 1200 S T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.00 34= LONGINES Hong Kong Cup 2000 I T SHA TIN HK 3+ 119.00 34= Mostyn Copper Group Randwick Guineas 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3yo 119.00 34= Pegasus World Cup Invitational Stakes 1800 M D GULFSTREAM PARK USA 4+ 119.00 34= Preakness Stakes 1900 I D PIMLICO USA 3yo 119.00 34= VRC Sprint Classic 1200 S T FLEMINGTON AUS 3+ 119.00 40= Coolmore Fastnet Rock Matron Stakes 1600 M T LEOPARDSTOWN IRE 3+ F&M 118.75 40= Investec Coronation Cup 2400 L T EPSOM DOWNS GB 4+ 118.75 42= Coolmore Nunthorpe Stakes 1000 S T YORK GB 2+ 118.50 42= Ladbrokes Caulfield Stakes 2000 I T CAULFIELD AUS 3+ 118.50 42= LONGINES Hong Kong Sprint 1200 S T SHA TIN HK 3+ 118.50 42= Queen's Silver Jubilee Cup 1400 M T SHA TIN HK 3+ 118.50 42= Sun Met Celebrated with G. H. Mumm 2000 I T KENILWORTH SAF 3+ 118.50 47= Belmont Stakes Presented by NYRA Bets 2400 L D BELMONT PARK USA 3yo 118.25 47= Dubai Turf Sponsored by DP World 1800 M T MEYDAN UAE 4+ 118.25 47= Gold Cup at Santa Anita H'cap (ex Hollywood Gold Cup) 2000 I D SANTA ANITA USA 3+ 118.25 47= Osaka Hai 2000 I T HANSHIN JPN 4+ 118.25 47= Tab Epsom Handicap 1600 M T RANDWICK AUS 3+ 118.25 Thanks Naz, puts a few races into perspective when thinking about stallion selections.
cheers
John
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P4P - I don’t think Mr Notts quite has a grip on things taxable, but I would suggest that Mr Cullen thinks that if you gain you pay, but if you don’t gain, you also don’t get to claim. That’s all fair as far as he is concerned.......It will have as much chance to get off the ground as a walrus.
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I have a 2YO filly bred on the same cross as Lisdoonvarna that I would like to sell. She has been broken and has spelled for a few months to grow.
Any interested parties can respond on 21 939 119
Cheers
John
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Sat at home, watched great fields competing and made a small positive amount.
Observations; Track has improved considerably, new CEO has some clues as the presentation of all aspects of the club which has improved enormously over the previous 2 CEO’s, a bit of style and an invitation to become part of it.
Great benefit from the investment in the track surface, and will only be better next year. First time I have seen in years that the Railway has been a “true quality Gr 1 race”. Winner was the best horse, ridden well and got the “air” at the right time. Second and third can win a group one any tick of the clock, great race to enjoy watching from afar. Very strong form from a number of winners will evolve from the race day. Well done Ellerslie.
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Red Rum
Do even own a horse?
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Not wanting to undermine todays performance in any way, but the time is a reflection of the competition involved.
I was in Melbourne last week and I think Shillelaghs run on Derby day was 2 seconds faster than today. How may lengths that translates to over a mile is significant.
But he should go there for sure to test himself, if he can run 1.33 and change, he will be a real chance in the Donny. He may just be able to do that, but that’s lengths faster than he ran today.
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On 9/1/2018 at 1:31 PM, poundforpound said:
So a very learned person, with a great brain, calls me and said “go read p66, the last two paragraphs, of the Messara report”.
So I did......this is a fucking amazing bit of chicanery and involves the appropriation by way of legislative change, of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of assets and real estate, then transferring those assets into the control of a NZTR !!
NZTR, OMG, they are so woefully inept at virtually everything they attempt, and here they’re going to take over what’ll be in excess of a billion dollars worth of industry assets.
For example, Ellerslie now has to hand over their land, that’s about 500 million in real estate, plus all their cash reserves, that’s currentky 50 million to the ownership of NZTR, add in Te Rapa, 50 hectares at say 5-7 million a hectare.....add in Avondale ( subject to zoning changes, another 200 million there ). and this is the greatest theft of all time, and the likes of MIA / PAM Jackson will now control ALL the industries assets.!!!
Here’s the clause, and it’s repeated twice, from p66 of the report..
As usual the brain dead fucking idiots have been raped here, and yet again Racing is getting what it deserves.
So, we believe it will be absolutely essential to the successful future of the New Zealand thoroughbred racing industry that the Racing Act 2003, and any other relevant legislation, be amended to provide unambiguously for the transfer to NZTR of title to all thoroughbred racecourses and training facilities currently owned freehold by Race Clubs and also ownership of all net assets. The amendments should expressly include provisions providing NZTR with the right to close a venue and sell the freehold land owned by a Race Club/s in circumstances where NZTR determines in its sole discretion not to issue licences to any Club/s to race at that venue, or in the case the dissolution of a Race Club. There should also be a requirement that NZTR invests the
Don’t get over excited there PFP, there is no legal precedent where an incorporated society with a defined constitution (club) that describes what is to be concluded should liquidation of that Society (club) [if it happens] occur. The actual outcome is defined in the constitution of the club, it does not automatically transfer or delivers the proceeds of that sale to a leasing licence provider.
Put simply, you own your mobile phone, if you sell it, do you give the proceeds to Vodafone, Spark, 2 Degrees or whichever provider you use. Of course not.
As far as I am aware, the sitting Govt would have the devils own job of trying to take ownership of the any land and then selling it to gain the proceeds. That is according to NZRB’s own lawyers report, Bell Gully, completed some years ago. Your mate Stiassny explored that possibility and was advised to go no further.
NZTR tried a manoeuvre a couple of years back with clubs to change their constitutions to gain this same outcome, I am not sure what the success rate was for NZTR, but poor outlook for the clubs that did accept that constitutional amendment.
There will be a protracted outcome to some of the reduction of courses, in saying that I believe we have to accept the report for what it is, reality.......................
I hope there is someone to be appointed who can manage the plan and gain the outcome desired.
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8 hours ago, hedley said:
Well, nearly 150 posts and still no one has commented on the Elephant in the room..that being the City of Suits that have been amassed by NZTR and NZ Racing and the T.A.B.
When will you all learn that these cling-ons are suffocating the industry's coffers.
Clearly, Messara has not had this pointed out to him judging by the 17 point plan divulged last evening.
Just another Mickey Mouse outfit that will result in NZ's racing devolving into Big Business's control..that's Australis not NZ's
Hedley, the costs of operation of the Racing Board have tipped the industry into the position it now finds itself. I believe the Messara Report needs to be implemented in the most part, but there will be flexibility along the way to get the desired outcome.
However, when you hear John Allen stating that a consideration of using an offshore supplier for betting is worthy of consideration (on National radio news at 11am) you have complete confirmation that the Govt employee he was and will always be, has absolutely no idea what he is doing. He wouldn’t be able to empty his boot appropriately at the local recycling centre.
The industry has to adopt change to move forward, the assumptions of the report will be put to the test, as they should, but, and it is a huge but, we have to accept the inevitable, change is required. Clubs need to merge, but the tier system will work, as it does around the world.
Get on with it.
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John Allen
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Trump, you are not too far away from reality, or what it really should be. But if you have seen him in action, you can see how he could convince the “Board” he was going in the right direction. The chair was the culprit, she of little upstairs, but plenty everywhere else. JA convinced her, and she wouldn’t know what he was talking about because she didn’t understand the industry anyway, as exampled by the resignation statement.
JA will show up again, possibly as the new President of the Labour Party as he and Jacinda would get on well together, both smiling and shallow and trying to provide answers to everything.
Sorry folks, there is still a funding shortfall of significance, so there has to be less racing or races, to consume the less money available for stakes. Betting levels will be a real challenge but if the second part of the plan is franked in Parliament before Christmas then there is light ahead, but a wee way off as yet.