John Clydesdale
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I have a friend who raced a lot of horses and he had a contract that the trainers had to sign to get the horse.
I have a few in training, the charges vary significantly, daily rates versus daily rates vary enormously. Often by location. Use of vets vary significantly as well. But all can be judged on performance verses cost. But paramount to me is honesty, if it is a slow horse, move on. No trainer can inject a motor, just expertise.
Taken decades to get to this point.
Best of luck to all
John
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Tasie Man, you are clearly not a member, otherwise you would know the realities of what you state above. Which is clearly your opinion through someone else’s eyes, slanted to the extreme. The Court provided an opinion against Mr Middledorp at great expense to the club.
I was on the Committee at the time of VM joining the Committee and I cannot recall positive contributions he made to improve the Club’s status and performance. VM had his opinion, as is his right, but he did not want to respect any contrary views, that is my humble opinion.
But coming to your other point. If the club property was liquidated and contributed to the industry funds in Petone, would you have confidence in the likes of John Allen and his successors to spend it wisely? The last RIB Chair and predecessor and CEO’s depleted the cash positive position of bank reserves and assets to the tune of $80 million in 7 years. Comparing that to Avondale going from $2.75 million in debt 7 years ago, now debt free but with a great track and crap utilities I know where my bias lay.
Avondale would be viewed through different eyes if the stands were demolished and facilities upgraded, something that VM fought against in my time on the Committee.
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Gubes is correct.
I had the pleasure of knowing and working with Ron on the National body of the Thoroughbred Breeders Association. He was the instigator of the FAMIS (Fillies and Mares Incentive Scheme) incentive scheme which was the first of it’s kind in the Southern Hemisphere. It has now matured into the Pearl Series and equally positive scheme for breeders of fillies.
Ron was a great asset to breeders advancements in a number of areas and maintained a fair and balanced approach to improving the opportunities for breeders to invest in the industry. A good man.
May he Rest In Peace (and yelling at his next winner up stairs)
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Liz
I haven’t been on the Committee for a couple of years as I moved to the Bay Of Plenty. So not privy to current info. However, I do know that in my time there, what land was sold was at much better than values quoted in some quarters. As that info will remain confidential, it will not be disclosed. But Wobbles was talking about less than CV, strange really that he should mention that measure. As the Club created the titles for the land sold whilst I was on the Committee, therefore it didn’t have a CV per se. Hence my comment about joining the dots.
It is disappointing that this platform does have a lot of information discussed at length at times, when so much of the details in discussion are far removed from being accurate. Hyperbole is always good for a bit of dramatic effect I guess.
Cheers
John
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22 hours ago, wobbly said:
I think the turning point for AJC was when they lost the Monday night bingo rent income.
They started selling land next to one of the busiest roads in NZ...below CV
Don’t know where you get your info Wobbles, but the dots you join are miles away from accurate!
Should be a member and then you might get the real picture.
cheers John
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Go and do a bit more research, particularly on the impact of gravity. That video is a cut and paste job on the basis of their message they want to promote. Bit like the 5G communication process for Covid 19 I suppose to some.
Cheers
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So Nomates
How did those races happen to go to Ellerslie?
cheers
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Think you will find a different Mr Wheeler to the one you know.
cheers
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Bullbars being offered on the Inglis digital site for unreserved sale. Beautiful pedigree and great type but they need speed in the mares and take a wee bit of time. Can understand Highview taking that option. Shame for the loss of the blood.
John
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Nil work for most of the senior salaried execs in Petone, were they made redundant Dean? Perhaps the $585 per week may have helped.....
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Well I think Glen Larmer is an amateur twot...................he does not initiate original questions, he plays buddy buddy with every person he interviews and in some cases they have never heard of him. He is a basic plonker who needs to understand what good radio journalism really is.
My basis of this is that I was forced to listen to him every morning in a rehab gym for months about four years ago, maybe the years have improved him, but with his IQ I doubt that very much.
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14 hours ago, poundforpound said:
Bit bizarre.....Dean took the ultimate hospital pass.....the Messara report was airhead stuff anyway, orchestrated at short notice by Winston because he didn’t have a coherent racing policy and now proving to be largely inapplicable ......if you want to judge DM do it in a few years time
Disagree P4P.
I think he thought he had that substance, clearly not. The DIA ran him over and minced him and the others on the RITA board capitulated to their beliefs as they (the DIA) have believed that they have had control of gaming and gambling in NZ for decades. That’s the reality of it and plenty of submissions against the draft act recognised the DIA process of setting things up for themselves. Mind you, most of us were “boomers” with some wisdom of experience of bureaucracy at work, recognised what was trying to be generated.
The ACT will be changed, hopefully to a position that is agreeable to most, but we need to keep the Welly bureaucracy away from the control aspect as they have wasted our reserves, sold the building and implemented a salvage process that was unthought of 10 years ago.
Keep Safe
Cheers
John
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The times, they are a changing. Besides showing my age with that opening, I am really disappointed to see that the investment value of the industry is rapidly disappearing in broodmares. Times we live in require delivery in an instant. If you do not have a black type delivery broodmare, then you are going to be under the pump. She has to be a stakes horse herself for a potential ROI on her first three foals, if she is a half to a stakes winner, then you are struggling to warrant the investment of a suitable stallion mating. Anything else as a base criteria means your broodmare has tangible emotional meaning to you, and you have some other means to make it sustainable, or you live in hope that what you have in the paddock is superior to anything else she has produced. The proposition is still the same as years gone by, is what we put in over capitalising the mare?.....................(This is in no way a shot at the real capital investors, the stallion owners, who know the odds before they start the purchase process) cheers to all............ John
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Nor far from the right move Berri. Anyone from overseas is a potential carrier. The Prof from Otago was right, test everyone arriving, if showing signs quarantine them, if not self isolate, 14 days reveals the truth. Not a big hardship if you think you are constructively helping your country. Quarantine people get determined and rated and treated if required. Anyone who flaunts the rules, put them in isolation for a week and their views will change.
The longest period suffered would be six weeks and then we are back on track with confidence and can then address our industry issues..............LOL
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Why do you change the riding tactics of a horse that tends to race midfield or further back and finish with a 33 and hangs to try to eyeball the main opposition?
If you think you have a way better horse maybe, or you are arrogant in the extreme.
Error in the decision process and the poor bugger did the best he could as a result. Just my humble opinion.
Lesson learned............hopefully
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On 2/14/2020 at 4:15 PM, berzerk said:
Any club which posts a Good 2 on nomination morning doesn't deserve a racemeeting
Is that what was posted on Noms morning as track condition?
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Any of you keyboard warriors putting in a submission to the Select COMMITTEE before next week? Hope so, you have plenty to say about the shambles of the environment that prevails today. Get thinking and do something positive with your thoughts!!!
- tasman man 11, Pam Robson, drewandjo and 1 other
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Hello Anzac friends
I have spent a few weeks in you land over Christmas and experienced the pressures you’re suffering in Vic and NSW.
I can offer my assistance in the form of a green paddock and good feed. If you require a clean air opportunity for a developing yearling or 2 YO, and a home to continue their growth from your ANZAC compatriot for some months free of charge, I am happy to provide that opportunity. As a small breeder and conscious of your present conditions I can understand the concerns some of you have challenging you daily existence.
Please let me know if I can help.
Cheers
John
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I will add my 2 Pennith worth to this thread.
The RIB took away the incentives for clubs to make money for themselves by the re rating of the betting levies they supplied to clubs. All clubs were provided with a descriptive grade, as a course, and they were then provided with a set % revenue on course betting return dependant on the rating of the meeting they staged. Exampled by Auckland, Wgtn and Chch effectively having their premier meeting betting revenue grades assured and received a BENEFICIAL level of betting commission as opposed to the smaller clubs, West Coast or elsewhere, who provided the backbone of free labour input willingly to help their community racing effort.
So you would end up having venue rated industry clubs, stage industry days where they are effectively ghost race meetings, just there to implement betting turnover. Stiassny wanted Monday racing to fit a market that’s didn’t even exist, by using the industry grade model. A proven failure, at a great cost to internal resources.
The promising ACA student that created this rating model had a frontal lobotomy when he left college. The outcome was always predictable. No incentive for the Committee members of clubs to seek and provide race sponsors and continue the input for anything other than premier days because you are always going to get a set fee to cover your staging expenses. Such a platform is no incentive to get new sponsors and new attendees as their is absolutely no benefit to the club to put in that effort.
Clubs need incentives to stage their events. Always have done, always will do, that is the nature of free enterprise. Be it for local community spirit and inputs that generate the appropriate attendances they should be rewarded for their efforts and a better betting percentage of the oncourse betting dollar. If that incentive was provided again, then greater returns on the investment of time and effort would also lead to an upgrade in facilities and attendances and also betting turnover.
The Racing Ministers plan to capitalise industry assets that it does not own is sheer communist theft and needs to be pushed back to the utmost level. If the industry needs that level of funding from asset sales, let the new regimes being planned, go and talk to the major financial lending resource suppliers and they will soon learn how to run a business well. Rather than idiots we have had for the last decade or any government plonkers at the DIA that could not run a fundraising raffle for a chicken in the public bar of a pub. Trying to create a Government statute to take away venues that do not belong to them, is complete lunacy and treacherous behaviour and thinking. It is truly appalling to even be thinking that way. IMO
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No sales available in Katikati?
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9 hours ago, Berri said:
Well not 100% sure of that. When Benbatl won the Dubai World Cup, he rolled Vivos (by 3 1/4) and Deidre (by 3 1/2). That day Benbatl rated 114. Vivios ran 3 1/2 length 2nd to Beauty Generation in HK and 3 1/2 behind Win Bright in another race. As Benbatl's form now includes a Deidre frank, Deidre ran 3rd and 4th to Magical. Magical beat Magic Wand by 2 lengths. who finished 1/2 behind TAS. As my previous post indicated, Lys Gracieux was beaten by Exultant who's form can be franked against Benbatl, Beauty Generation, Vivios and Deidre. You couldn't rate Lys Gracieux higher than 122 and she made the rest look pedestrian.
.Not taking anything away from Calcavecchio, he's top class and is improving. Was a big ask the way he was ridden but not good enough against the winner. . He should be standing in NZ when his racing is finished.
Berri, I think you can acknowledge that she continues to improve, so the race of a while back is not the benchmark for judgement calls. She has now fully matured, as was evident in her condition and as a rule Hearts Cry stock improve with age. Outstanding effort to win, but have a look at Almond Eye running 1.56.2, pure class....... cheers John
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Leave it out Scooby, she never had big teams. Showing your youthful age now.