Mikie

I don't think this statement is correct
I'm sure HRNZ did not "top up the first one"
I understand they have now contributed starting with last week's race

You are being sarcastic aren't you?

You are being sarcastic aren't you?

You are assuming that ATC are still racing in 3 years Eclipsed
What about 7 years?

Perhaps, Eljay, you could advise us of the relevant T/O's that ATC would have achieved on the Thursday nights as opposed to now racing on Friday in opposition to Addington
And if you are feeling really on to it could you possibly also advise of the average GBR that ATC achieves on a Friday night when racing against Addington and then do a comparison with the Stakes that they are provided by HRNZ
I have assumed that you will have these answers at your fingertips since you have expressed such whole hearted support for these changes
 

Perhaps, Eljay, you could advise us of the relevant T/O's that ATC would have achieved on the Thursday nights as opposed to now racing on Friday in opposition to Addington
And if you are feeling really on to it could you possibly also advise of the average GBR that ATC achieves on a Friday night when racing against Addington and then do a comparison with the Stakes that they are provided by HRNZ
I have assumed that you will have these answers at your fingertips since you have expressed such whole hearted support for these changes
 

"Clearly only HRNZ are disadvantaged"
Are you crazy?
It is industry money that HRNZ use, received from Entain,  to fund ATC stakes, so clearly the industry is disadvantaged 
You obviously haven't been to ATC lately, the return for the food and beverage sales would struggle to cover the wages
Have the stats taken out the sponsors contributions ? I presume you mean have the sponsor's contributions to racenames been factored in? I would doubt on an average Friday meeting that the sponsor's contributions would be worth getting too excited about

I haven't missed your point at all
It's not the marketing of the meetings
It's the field sizes and the clashes with Addington that are the primary reasons
However, no matter what the reasons are, you seem to have missed the point which is that the majority of meetings at ATC do not generate enough incomne for the indutry to cover the stakes funding they are provided with

The thread author has done exactly what you asked
Of the 9 examples that he offered the ATC received more in stakes funding on 7 of the 9 nights than they generated in rEVENUE FOR THE INDUSTRY
Perhaps you missed reading that post
HRNZ do know about it, it's not rocket science
The huge majority of stake holders know about it too 2Piper

That's utter rubbish
Very, very few ATC meetings "make" money

Thanks Pam, but your understanding is incorrect
Plenty of harness meetings 'make' money (what they earn for the industry less HRNZ stakes)
However, they are the Westports, the Banks Peninsula's, the Methvens and the like
I would also think that most Addington run of the mill meetings also turn a profit
What profit they make is sucked up by (a) the Premier meetings and their stakes (which I'm not complaining about within reason) and (b) ATC meetings

"Clearly only HRNZ are disadvantaged"
Are you crazy?
It is industry money that HRNZ use, received from Entain,  to fund ATC stakes, so clearly the industry is disadvantaged 
You obviously haven't been to ATC lately, the return for the food and beverage sales would struggle to cover the wages
Have the stats taken out the sponsors contributions ? I presume you mean have the sponsor's contributions to racenames been factored in? I would doubt on an average Friday meeting that the sponsor's contributions would be worth getting too excited about

I haven't missed your point at all
It's not the marketing of the meetings
It's the field sizes and the clashes with Addington that are the primary reasons
However, no matter what the reasons are, you seem to have missed the point which is that the majority of meetings at ATC do not generate enough incomne for the indutry to cover the stakes funding they are provided with

The thread author has done exactly what you asked
Of the 9 examples that he offered the ATC received more in stakes funding on 7 of the 9 nights than they generated in rEVENUE FOR THE INDUSTRY
Perhaps you missed reading that post
HRNZ do know about it, it's not rocket science
The huge majority of stake holders know about it too 2Piper

So what you are saying is that we are all doing it wrong
Instead of trying to make a profit with our businesses, we should aim to run them at a loss so we don't pay tax
Brilliant

What on earth are you talking about 2Piper?
Tax deductable for who?

So what you are saying is that we are all doing it wrong
Instead of trying to make a profit with our businesses, we should aim to run them at a loss so we don't pay tax
Brilliant

Hey - senile old gits have feelings too Mikie 😁

Probably correct, which makes me an expert on recognising idiots like you

Probably correct, which makes me an expert on recognising idiots like you

Probably correct, which makes me an expert on recognising idiots like you

If you were an innocent party but had to shell out the best part of $500k to prove it, I guarantee you would feel differently…..

MHC = Farkwit
MisterEd = dead right

MHC = Farkwit
MisterEd = dead right

MHC = Farkwit
MisterEd = dead right