Mikie

I don't think this statement is correct I'm sure HRNZ did not "top up the first one" I understand they have now contributed starting with last week's race

You are being sarcastic aren't you?

BET RECEIPT Gone in 1st leg My run continues I'll have a go as well, but an astute punter would put a line through my picks Dom Toretto @3.00 FFWIN Hawera Race 3 Morere @1.25 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 4 Del Shannon @2.00 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 5 Avenger @1.25 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 6 Cos I Can @1.90 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 7 Lamarli @1.35 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 8 Prince Miki @1.70 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 9 Whitfield @2.00 FFTOP4 Hawera Race 10 8 Leg Multix1 Total Stake:$60.00 Potential Return$4,905.56

Excellent observation CeeMeNow

You are assuming that ATC are still racing in 3 years Eclipsed What about 7 years?

Doesn't appear to work that way in New Zealand CeeMeNow (does in Aussie) All that dual meetings on a Friday has done is divide the T/O between 2 meetings, yet having to pay 2 lots of stakes Hence my question to Eljay

What are you talking about Lamour? There have been hundreds of Friday nights with dual meetings

That's wonderful Idolmite However I'm still hoping Eljay will enlighten me

Perhaps, Eljay, you could advise us of the relevant T/O's that ATC would have achieved on the Thursday nights as opposed to now racing on Friday in opposition to Addington And if you are feeling really on to it could you possibly also advise of the average GBR that ATC achieves on a Friday night when racing against Addington and then do a comparison with the Stakes that they are provided by HRNZ I have assumed that you will have these answers at your fingertips since you have expressed such whole hearted support for these changes

Thanks chiknsmack

HRNZ Reports of GBR Leggy Plus CeeMeNow's post above Plus a bit of common sense; ask yourself: if HRNZ receives Income from Entain as a result of GBR from all meetings In NZ, and from that money they fund stakes, and they give ATC meetings in stakes more than they earn then obviously there are meetings that generate more in GBR than the $ amount than they are provided with in stakes money.

Thanks Pam, but your understanding is incorrect Plenty of harness meetings 'make' money (what they earn for the industry less HRNZ stakes) However, they are the Westports, the Banks Peninsula's, the Methvens and the like I would also think that most Addington run of the mill meetings also turn a profit What profit they make is sucked up by (a) the Premier meetings and their stakes (which I'm not complaining about within reason) and (b) ATC meetings

"Clearly only HRNZ are disadvantaged" Are you crazy? It is industry money that HRNZ use, received from Entain, to fund ATC stakes, so clearly the industry is disadvantaged You obviously haven't been to ATC lately, the return for the food and beverage sales would struggle to cover the wages Have the stats taken out the sponsors contributions ? I presume you mean have the sponsor's contributions to racenames been factored in? I would doubt on an average Friday meeting that the sponsor's contributions would be worth getting too excited about

I haven't missed your point at all It's not the marketing of the meetings It's the field sizes and the clashes with Addington that are the primary reasons However, no matter what the reasons are, you seem to have missed the point which is that the majority of meetings at ATC do not generate enough incomne for the indutry to cover the stakes funding they are provided with

The thread author has done exactly what you asked Of the 9 examples that he offered the ATC received more in stakes funding on 7 of the 9 nights than they generated in rEVENUE FOR THE INDUSTRY Perhaps you missed reading that post HRNZ do know about it, it's not rocket science The huge majority of stake holders know about it too 2Piper

That's utter rubbish Very, very few ATC meetings "make" money

So what you are saying is that we are all doing it wrong Instead of trying to make a profit with our businesses, we should aim to run them at a loss so we don't pay tax Brilliant

What on earth are you talking about 2Piper? Tax deductable for who?

That's hurtful Alf, you senile old git

I don't remember stating that I had a Law Degree?

Probably correct, which makes me an expert on recognising idiots like you

MHC = Farkwit MisterEd = dead right

Totally agree Include it as post race view

If you thought that then there's really no hope for you at all Mikenz

If you would read my post you would see that I said that "I have been told" If you are unable to sleep at night without knowing I was told by Michael House