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  1. 6 hours ago, legs&lashes said:

    Would like to know peoples thoughts on the hospitality prices for Jewels day.

    I was told last week that Spectators is $125 pp which only includes entry and some food!

    Last year I was in the Clubhouse Bar at Cambridge and the package was $100 including beer and wine and food.

    I have come to think Addington Raceway is very greedy and it is a rip off so I wont be going at this stage.

    As a side note the beer prices at Addington in spectators are a disgrace too.

    $16 for a jug!!! that is one place I wont be having a beer in!

     

    Regards

    AC  (first time poster on this forum)

    Welcome to RC and you have raised a good point re prices. Tasman Man is also correct in that it is what it is given its status on the Harness calendar but to put things into perspective  Cambridge and Ashburton were far more cost competitive in terms of packages offered to race goers

  2. 4 hours ago, john legend said:

    It is a sad day when HRNZ get so sensitive regarding strong debate on anything or anyone who dont tow the party line. There are a number of great men and women in our industry at all levels and there are some self interested idiots who cant see the wood for the large green things and believe bluster and threats can win the day. I am a little disappointed in  many on here who I regard as mates( although never met) getting into attack mode but hope it all ends well.My name  if anyone gives a toss is John Albert Penney ,a bettor, a drinker,a womaniser (most reject me now !!)a horse owner, and all I want is more wins in harness racing . Is that too much to ask at 71.:rcf-happy-6:

    Great post John , just call it a family squabble  as only 1 person  has got a touch nasty calling a few people names etc.

    I found the Box Seat program to be informative and unbiased, others obviously have issues with it but the serials on the other channel have not challenged it which suggests even they are convinced its Kosha

    As for your " My name is sentence" its  sounds like your a reasonable sort of character :rcfe-happy-1:

  3. 7 minutes ago, Max powers said:

    He broke the NZ 3yo record for a 2600m stand by 1.2 seconds.

    I'd say he is ready for the jewels fitness wise.

    On a side not he has beaten a NZ record 3 out of his 6 starts, not bad for a trotter who has only had the 6 starts. But only this 1 counts as he ran 2nd in the other 2

    Imagine what time he would have run had he not hung.  I'm sure they will look after the horses interests first  but with potential withdrawals he might make it there on his current earnings

  4. 5 minutes ago, Blue said:

    I still think AS other fellow might be the better bet if, as Mark said, he goes better left handed. Odds on both are pretty short though.

    Agreed , both are nice horses who will do connections proud no matter where they run. As for the short odds, that's the norm given AS record at Jewels and ive never met anyone who went broke backing winners no matter how little they paid

  5. Very nice win last night even though he is s till not doing things 100%. Given they are all just babies perhaps some expect too much from them at this stage of their careers. Brad's plunge horse went well until the last 100 in the same race whilst Purdon's baby lost the plot completely even though its trials were nice.

    Which one of the 3 would you like to own , ill stick with US  for continuity

  6. 9 minutes ago, JackSprat said:

    I repeat for those that are a little slow on the uptake - I raised the issue of the use of the product/treatment on otherwise fit and healthy racing horses.

    The names of trainers using it "in competition" is certainly not a secret. I suggest you do your own research.

    It's 2019 folks. Mr Google has all the answers.

    Your a typical keyboard warrior, posts plenty of potentially libelous comments but when challenged to produce evidence to back his outrageous  previous claims he runs a mile.

    If its not a secret as you say then why not share with this ecosystem the names of trainers who use it on "otherwise fit and healthy horses"

    Scoobie , this is one for you to deliberate on based on your mantra dont say it if you cant prove it

  7. 24 minutes ago, JackSprat said:

    I'm questioning the product/treatment in general, and the rules surrounding it, not the individuals who are using it within the existing rules.

    If you want to name names feel free to do so. That's your perogative. 

    You are the one making all the claims , i merely asked you as you come across as an expert on the use of the process which if any trainers you know use it for the purposes you raised

     

    1 hour ago, Newmarket RC said:

    Ask yourself a couple of simple question - "What healing is a fit and healthy racehorse in need of immediately before to a major race?" and if it does need healing "Why is it racing?"

    I have and always come back with my question to you , who is doing  this process on fit and healthy horses immediately before a race as you patently insinuate. Names please

  8. 2 hours ago, JackSprat said:

    Nothing being missed here Iraklis I can assure you! Been in the game too long to be taken in by the thin veneer of bullshit and self interest that the "average punter" is sold on.

    Nobody is denying that this product has significant healing properties. but as with every other equine treatment from arsenic through to zinc, it can be used for legitimate health reasons, or for reasons less altruistic.

    Ask yourself a couple of simple question - "What healing is a fit and healthy racehorse in need of immediately before to a major race?" and if it does need healing "Why is it racing?"

    The product has legitimate out-of-competition uses ie. to speed up recovery from injury.

    The product has no legitimate racing use other than to reduce pain and inflammation and make horses run through the pain barrier ie. artificially increase stamina.

    The long term price the industry will pay for this treatment is increased injury rates, and give the animal welfare groups further ammunition.

    You make a lot of assumptions.Tell us all which trainer/s  have done what you are suggesting in bold above.?? Im thinking you cant/wont produce names but would be privileged if you did.

  9. 2 hours ago, eljay said:

    3 weeks (roughly) to go.    Then if it's a success there will be a flood of "told you so" posts.     If it fails, there will be a flood of "told you so" posts.       Only certainty, there WILL be a flood of posts - oh well, you don't have to read/believe them!

    Its a given as you say. Any clues on which side of the fence you are on at this stage lloyd

  10. 23 minutes ago, tim vince said:

    Hard to win. well researched and still the flat earthers go off. The surprise will be how few of marks have used it.

     

     

    That will send the anti all stars scurrying to their 

    Hiding places.

     

     

     

     

    it.another vet next week.lets bag her too.the red blood cells are removed so that has rooted all the blood doping theories.the riu are happy.they must be in on the Rort .I'm getting some for sure because it is good for some horses.too right it's an animal welfare issue..shows how much we care about them

    Love it , your a clever man Tim. BTW , im sure you will find if you wanted to enquire  that many trainers over the years have been using this legal process yet no one ever mentions them.  I bet they feel left out.:rcfe-happy-1:

  11. 24 minutes ago, JackSprat said:

    I take it you're familiar with the terms "vested interests", propaganda", "commercial gain", and "overall anti-inflammatory and pain-blocking response throughout the body"?

    Accepted by racing jurisdictions world wide? Really!

    Go and watch the interview. As for above, what is your vested interest and how much propaganda can you preach on one subject. Plenty by the looks of your replies and comments on this subject but hey lets not let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory.  You keep thinking the way you do and that's fine by me , we live in a democracy and Scoobie provides a forum for all to have a say

  12. 2 hours ago, JackSprat said:

    Having dealt with many vets over many years I can assure you 99% of them gravitate towards two things - what the client demands, and where the money is. Finding a truly "independent" vet with no vested interests, and purely interested in animal health is near impossible.

    That said, it's a tricky road they tread - equine health and equine performance are bound to conflict at some point.

    The latest fad, Autologous Conditioned Serum, is just another way of blurring the boundary between the two goals. As an injury treatment it has many justifiable uses. As a racing treatment it has only one purpose - to disguise pain and artificially sustain performance.

    The company's own literature promote it as having an "overall anti-inflammatory and pain-blocking response throughout the body".

    It's one and only purpose in a racing horse is to over-ride the bodies warning signs (pain and inflammation) and allow the horse to perform beyond the level it would have without the treatment.

    Once the bodies warning signs are ignored, horses (particularly good ones) push themselves to an unnatural level - eventually causing further injury and/or breaking down.

    Who is using this treatment and where the good horses are breaking down would make for interesting reading. Certainly more interesting than a choreographed PR exercise on The Box Seat!

    Im sure Bill Bishop would be more than happy to lay out his credentials against some no name keyboard warrior such as yourself. As i said to Counter Punch, your type will never change your minds no matter how much credible evidence is presented to you. Accepted by racing jurisdiction world wide , even WADA and its not good enough for some people.

  13. 2 hours ago, Counter Punch said:

    To be expected from the president of the anti All Stars group..... 

    Neil, give Mark Purdon a ring and ask him how many horses in his stable have had the treatment, I think you'll be shocked at his answer. 

     

    EDIT: 

    Oh wait, that's right - you hide behind your keyboard like a few of your other mates and throw barbs around and imply absolute rubbish but when faced with the opportunity to speak to some of the people you like to defame and bully online you turn bright red and can't lift your head to look them in the eye. 

     

     

     

    You beat me to it Matt. Neil has some serious issues with a certain stable and he is not alone. Not even independent facts from others will sway his type so dont waste your time on him and his ilk

  14. 3 hours ago, Amati Nidol said:

    In the aforementioned Invercargill race I was watching War Admiral closely. There needed to be some mention in the report I believe. Either
    A/ RM on Smokey Mac was half carting on numerous occasions affecting the options of SO on War Admiral OR
    B/ SO could have been questioned for allowing WA to find itself in a non-winnable position, when the horse was traveling sweetly and could have moved to a more prominent position.

    Im hearing both your points and agree entirely. A non competitive performance by both drivers IMHO to finish in their horses best possible position

  15. SMOKEY MAC - driver R May defended a charge pursuant to Rule 868(3) alleging that he failed to drive his runner out to the end of the race. After viewing relevant replays and hearing evidence from all parties the JCA found the charge proved and following submissions on penalty imposed a fine of $300.

     

    I cant believe he tried to talk his way out of this given he was on the 2nd fav and showed no vigour in the last 250 metres to be run down on line for 4th. The penalty was pitiful given the charge was proven. IMHO

  16. 16 hours ago, john legend said:

    sorry for my error. by the time I get through to the correct postion on the new TAB site I am a.needing A. a rest. B. food C.a comfort stop D. get annoyed with being invited to bet etc.. I used to be right up with futures betting under old system. Still I have to try to keep up in my 70s only enjoyment left !! lol:rcf-injured:

    John you are a true legend with your posts:rcf-laughing-3:

  17. 17 hours ago, JackSprat said:

    Whoever designed the current system obviously failed basic maths at school.

    With 1 horse's rating going up in each race, 4 staying the same, and up to 10 going down, who could possibly have predicted the day when the majority of horses would be rated lower than an unraced maiden?

    Anybody with half a brain, that's who!

    Did anyone party to creating the current system actually pass School Cert/ NCEA Level 1 maths?

    Apparently not, because they seem to be shocked that that's exactly whats happened!

    From memory wasn't John Lischner on the last review panel

     

  18. 1 hour ago, Iraklis said:

    No finger nails left...it was big ask for me mighty Spur :rcf-sad-14: but guys he was honest! bit worried bout Marcoola he faded really bad an he didn't look good when he came past, congrats to the winner its hard to do that at The Park, but Spankem :rcfe-happy-2: whoarrrr the boy is good, he toyed with em, run of race for me was Chase Auk (all dressed up n nowhere to go) when he finally got clear, boy, he came home like a really really good horse, if he don't clean up next week and the Jewels I'll eat my, my, ahh my, well can't say hat cos it's the mighty Lyell's and I wouldn't do that to The Champ's hat, you get the picture I reckon.....as for EYCalm friken pain in ass, but he did well to finish where he did, he is a really goodlookin trotter, I love watchin him run cos he's got such a mean stride, Sweet On Me looked like she just switched off, but hey all in all not a bad night for the mighty AllStars......   :rcfe-like:

    Blue... TEMPORALE - raced wide in the early and middle stages. Weakened near the 700 metres and compounded over the concluding stages and distanced at the finish. When spoken to Trainer/Driver T Herlihy advised he had been disappointed with the geldings efforts however as the horse was fresh up since the 2nd February and had an interrupted preparation, expected it would derive considerable benefit from the run. Mr Herlihy added that it was at this stage his intention to continue towards the Rowe Cup next week. Stewards will follow up with connections in the following days. Post race vet examination stated no obvious abnormality.

    MARCOOLA - raced wide in the early and middle stages. Stewards will follow up the horses recovery with the connections in the coming days.

     

     

    Cheers Iraklis

    Dont forget Kings Landing will probably be in the mix next season so it shapes up as being  a potentially great one for followers of the square gaiters.