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  1. 3 hours ago, Midget said:

    I must say, none of the connections of Te Akau Racing had any input into this relegation or inquiry

    I am told that the rider was quoted as saying, we were beaten on our merits.

    If this was the case then surely it is time to have a serious look at the competency of the RIU and the JCA  in this instance. This is not good enough in my opinion.

     

    I see you have been brought up to speed.

    Who exactly were the officials who...instigated the inquiry and arrived at the decision to relegate...names please.

  2. 1 hour ago, Berri said:

    It's not about the number of wins, it's about the pecking order in respect of perceived ability. TAS ran 2nd the Dreamforce in the Tramway carrying half a kilo more than Dreamforce, then ran 2nd to Kolding in the Epsom giving Kolding 4 kgs. Kolding then went on to win the Golden Eagle off 57.5 beating Sunlight carrying 55.5. Sunlight ran 3rd in the Slipper, then won the Coolmore, William Reid and Newmarket. What did Melody Belle beat?

    The ratings are fair....

     

    So apart from the number of wins you agree with the rating of TAS @118 as against MB @116...Yes

  3. 1 minute ago, Leggy said:

    You suggested that was the case which is why I asked you that question

    You respond like a...politician...here's something to ponder...Chris Trotter...

    'Throughout New Zealand’s brief history, conservative parties and crony capitalism have marched together in lock-step. In such a tiny society how could they not? Only the state has ever had access to the huge capital resources required to facilitate economic development. For capitalists, large and small, that meant securing their desired economic outcomes by cultivating mutually beneficial political relationships. Naturally, the individuals, businesses, and political parties involved in this activity were not at all keen to have their behaviour trumpeted from the roof-tops. If deals needed to be done, it was overwhelmingly in the interests of all parties that they be done in secret.'

  4. 4 minutes ago, Leggy said:

    Of course it did. So do you want to name who is pulling his strings? Of course, if that's the case, he shouldn't be in parliament, let alone deputy prime-minister. The blame belongs with WP for going along with that and not what is or was best for racing, or the taxpayer for that matter. Seems like you agree.

    Do you think the same person might have suggested he get Messara to write or at least sign off the report?

    Not the point ,you are trying to bring an obligation of moral virtue into the topic,something politicians dispensed with...long ago.

    BTW who is this person...'pulling the strings' and what do you think of him/her?:rcf-suspicious:

  5. 3 hours ago, Leggy said:

    I didn't say that but throwing money at an unsustainable model is no help at all. And he has precluded the RITA board from adjusting distributions in line with earnings via his letter of instruction to them so he is doing a fairly good job of helping it along that track.

    Did it occur to you that WP may be following the instructions of a major donor?

    Maybe the blame should be redirected to where it...belongs!:rcf-rich:

     

  6. 2 hours ago, Leggy said:

    We are bankrupt anyway. That misused money just delayed the inevitable as will the further $13m. Net profit $28m short of budget. Enough reserves to live beyond our means for another year or so. No sign of any essential fiscal or structural change of note.

    What a bastard WP is ,bankrupting the industry on his own.:rcfe-clown:

  7. 2 minutes ago, Leggy said:

    Exactly. It has cost taxpayers such as myself $50m a year which could have gone to housing, health or education and hasn't done an iota of good for racing. Probably been detrimental if anything.

    So you believe WP was personally responsible for this waste...?

  8. 3 hours ago, Berri said:

    The analogy is spot on though....or didn't you get it?!?

    I get it alright.

    Its called the blame game.

    That blame lies squarely with NZTR and its appointments,lobbyists,and incompetent,s who are big on promises..'NZ racing will be the envy of the...world':rcfe-clown:and 

    clearly HOPELESS on...delivering.

    All good blokes of course.See the world,get on board the NZTR gravy train.

  9. 5 minutes ago, Nerula said:

    Listen here Sheeps i'll try to explain it in terms you'll understand. Say if you are a little guy with a bunch of sheep and you wanted to earn some money racing these. But there is a weird old old system where a government agency makes all the laws on sheep racing. They try (not so hard) to encourage people to bet on sheep racing in the hope that will enrich the government and pay for the management of that enterprise. They really don't care much for sheep racing, but its been around for a very long time and some good piss ups can be found around it.

    I digress! After costs, there's trickle down - some funds to a mob that try and organise the sheep racing clubs, but its baaa-rely enough to keep the game viable and sheep are getting hurt on baaa -d tracks. People are not keen on betting on sheep anymore as it aint that exciting when only a few go along and you might see a sheep getting offed. Better stay away!

    So where does that leave you dag? 

     

     

    terrible fail at humour,analogy,in depth analysis...you name it...give up.Successive Communist Govts I take it.:rcf-shocked-6:

  10. On 11/19/2019 at 5:24 PM, Nerula said:

    Whats wrong is the old system. Its a communist one. The parallels are are almost complete from the Politburo down to the Functionary (NZTR) to the Collective (Clubs) and the Peasants. it cant work as has been demonstrated in the world. Cuba ,Venuzuela, hello!

    Rita lost me when D M'cK said it wasn't their function to incentivise club performance. it cant be the Functionary NZTR as they are beholden to all the Collectives clubs. No incentive to perform and no penalty for non performance. Sorry its fkd here.

    Now the Politburo will start land confiscation. Thats discriminatory  confiscate one, confiscate the lot. Then form a Corporation with directors that are liable. Create regional centres, Set annual marketing budgets and performance targets. Non performance fire them.

     

    So NZ Racing has been held hostage by a hotbed of Communists...all these years!:rcf-shocked-4::rcf-thinking:

  11. 8 minutes ago, We're Doomed said:

    I think you will find the Derby was $2.25m, as the Kelt was $2m and they wanted to top that. I think the AJC Derby at the time was only about $1m. I was always of the opinion that the money was totally wasted as all of the races involved have now reverted back to their original stakes, or even lower, and there has been no residual benefit to the industry at all. I think some of the Oaks winners were sold overseas afterwards, so they all just took the money and ran. So a very good lesson for the industry re stakes, which I think many predicted at the time. And I think it was five races: Derby, Oaks, 2,000 Guineas, Telegraph and Auckland Cup, but I can't be bothered looking it up so just relying on memory.

    who are these 'they'....maybe 'they' deserve the opprobrium...not WP!

  12. 7 hours ago, Trump said:

    I don’t think you are over the facts FOE. I think you’ll find that The money was given by WP on the condition that it was allocated to a number of races over a number of years. For example, the NZ Derby Stake was increased to $2m (I think?) and 2 of the next 3 years winners came from AUSSIE and took Winstons cash. Redoubtes Dancer and Coniston Bluebird. But it was I believe Winstons directive that 4 races receive the $35m. Other people could possibly verify that fact. 

    And just why do you  think WP 'decided on that approach?Whimsey?

    Wake up and direct your criticism where you know it...belongs!