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1 hour ago, Track Record said:
Your referring to the rooster that lives at the Cambridge raceway and is often meters away from trainer vehicles. It’s been reported on several occasions and nothing has been done about the human removal/relocation of the rooster.
I don’t know if that’s what I’m referring to as all I was told is that there is a video circulating of a trainer with a dog on a lead running after the rooster - I haven’t personally seen the footage.
If there is a rooster living at the track then yes the Club/committee should be rehoming it but that certainly is no excuse for chasing it with a dog - especially one that is engaged to race.
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Sounds like a curly one to me, If it was truly ever a risk surely it would also be a risk for trials. You can run back for a pre race trial , 30 mins later for race 1 it’s not safe?? If you can’t find a catcher you can run back, but if you forget to organise a catcher you will be fined?? - it either is safe or it isn’t.
Most of the trainers/ handlers are obviously happy enough doing so and those that aren’t can get a catcher! Sounds like the new protocols have got it right. -
I believe all tracks were given the green light to box trial
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On 4/22/2020 at 9:50 AM, Flabbergasted said:
Luck plays a much greater role in winning at Auckland
Agree - that’s why I don’t enjoy betting there, I prefer a “best dog usually wins” scenario rather than a “whoever survives the first turn wins” scenario
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On 4/3/2020 at 1:07 PM, GOM said:
To be fair BM that photo would have been taken before the lockdown so social distancing was not asked for. I think we would have had to seen the context of what was happening when the photo was taken before deciding who needs a punch?
Still reckon it's the worst dias shot I have seen , the only positive is how Mike has managed to hold his tummy in and chest out just at the right time
I believe it is the photo of the south Waikato cup from the Tokoroa meeting on March 22, the day before NZ went to Alert level 3 so well within the “social distancing” timeframe.
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I assume the issue that Bus stop is referring to is social distancing! The clown in 3rd place should have got a punch in the nose for idiocy but I guess that would have broken the “2 metre” rule also.
GOM I believe the girl with the winner is holding the cup.
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11 hours ago, bus stop said:
Gary you need to take into account when making comments of who the top northern trainers are the likes of the class of dog they have access to either dogs that are bought by owners who can afford to out lay the dollars or have the breeding set up to produce litters which gives them a better chance of getting good dogs to train. There are a number of trainers in the north who I view do a excellent job with the type of dog they race. Keeping in mind that a number of them are racing 2nd tier dogs from the 2 biggest breeders in NZ. Gary cant undersatnd how you left the Craiks off your list they have been one if not one of the best trainers in the North for the last 30 odd years.
Anyway Gary I fear for the future of the northern region as there are not enough the younger generation taking it on the costs of land etc to set up is just to much and the money is not there to meet comitments.
Also the board are making far reaching decesions which will come back and bite them in the ass i.e. import fees which I feel they are being leaned on by outside influences.
11 hours ago, bus stop said:Gary you need to take into account when making comments of who the top northern trainers are the likes of the class of dog they have access to either dogs that are bought by owners who can afford to out lay the dollars or have the breeding set up to produce litters which gives them a better chance of getting good dogs to train. There are a number of trainers in the north who I view do a excellent job with the type of dog they race. Keeping in mind that a number of them are racing 2nd tier dogs from the 2 biggest breeders in NZ. Gary cant undersatnd how you left the Craiks off your list they have been one if not one of the best trainers in the North for the last 30 odd years.
Anyway Gary I fear for the future of the northern region as there are not enough the younger generation taking it on the costs of land etc to set up is just to much and the money is not there to meet comitments.
Also the board are making far reaching decesions which will come back and bite them in the ass i.e. import fees which I feel they are being leaned on by outside influences.
Interesting I would have said that from that list of trainers the majority of the dogs they all raced are bred, reared & trained by themselves so a fairly even depth of dog available to each of them. The quality of broodie/sire is of personal choice ( we all have different opinions on what is a “good bloodline”) after that I imagine it’s the quality of food and effort they put into them to get the end result.
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On 7/22/2019 at 3:52 PM, Seddon said:
$80-100 week for training + vet bills ect if any on top of that. From what I here about $15k+ for a import and that would be no champion.
That is what we used to pay our trainers 20yrs ago! Has it not gone up in all that time??
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On 7/12/2019 at 11:55 AM, My Two Cents said:
But worse still the greedy owners don’t gift these “lemons” to the trainers.....they still retain ownership and sucker these people into training them on deals!! Disgusting. If they insist on doing this they should be made to take them all back immediately after they have finished racing and be made to care for them until rehomed. Half the reason small trainers are on the out is because their kennels are clogged with these “hospital pass” dogs waiting to go to gap or similar, mostly because these small trainers actually care about the dogs in their kennels and don’t consider them just another number.
I have heard about a trainer that insists on an agreement with the owner prior to training a dog to retain the first $1-2000 the dog makes (total stake) which is held for the entire racing career of each dog, this will be used in the case of serious injury (ie toe surgery, towards hock surgery or simply covers retirement fees with any remaining money split once the dog is happily in its forever home) If the owner is not agreeable - she doesn’t take their dog! this seems like basic commonsense that every trainer could very easily adopt.
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Totally agree, almost brutal handling, & as you say not the first time from this trainer.
I had a bet in the race and was pretty pissed off, it’s not fair on the other dogs already in the boxes while this malarkey is going on due to incompetent handling.
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Jimbob I’m pretty sure you are allowed to use squeakers
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Well put Emotive, I am prepared to give Rendle the benefit of the doubt as far as his knowledge of the activities at his trainers property goes - I for one as an owner have no idea at all of the goings on at my trainers property (though I have never had reason to question their integrity)
I can respect his initial loyalty - obviously they would have vehemently denied any wrong doing - however...and it’s a big However! Surely blind Eddie can see the enormity of evidence and begin questioning his beliefs.
Perhaps even a “I am withholding judgement until proven guilty, if it is true I will be terribly disappointed and remove all my dogs immediately “ response would have been easier to swallow than “Everyone is just jealous”
- Rules For Some and Emotive
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30 minutes ago, Bunson said:
What I find strange is that Cole is the only one in NZ that has allegedly been live baiting or dead baiting. Surely he isn’t the only one or perhaps his high profile is going to be reward enough. Now I don’t condone this behaviour if found guilty but I believe it had to be more wide spread. I like level playing fields but I suppose that is a dreamer talking.
Bunson if you have evidence of anyone baiting - live or dead please come forward.
I would like to have believed that there was none of this behaviour going on in NZ but sadly it looks like I’m wrong
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Surely it’s a supply to demand issue - if you need a few dogs to fill your racing team then either buy a few NZ pups or breed a litter of your own. I understand it is a lot more work & probably risk than the ready made product but the reward must be far more fulfilling when you get a big victory?!
I myself have raced mostly imports but would happily go in on a syndicate of a couple of nicely bred local pups - I would even have them trained in the northern region if Auckland could sort out their track!
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Btw - who is Miss Waikato??
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GOM I also saw the arm bands and rang a trainer on course to ask who they were for, their response was “They are for David Schofield, thank goodness the club let us wear them as the Auckland president would not allow us to on Sunday”
Apparently The Auckland president said “Not many people like Denis, he’s been banned, we don’t want to open a can of worms - we have sent flowers , that’s enough”
I find this to be an absolute disgusting attitude from any human.
Shame on you Auckland!
Many trainers are long time friends of David’s and as the family had made it known that “greyhound people” were not welcome at the funeral they were very keen to show there respect for him in this way.
Cambridge allowed those people to do such and I think that is the respectful thing to have done - full credit to them.
Just because a few people didn’t feel the same way and refused to wear them (totally their prerogative) this should not stomp on their compassion & respect.
RIP David
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Sorry GOM I was referring to Your comment about Pasdy Flyin being a great NZ sire and his progeny (assuming the Zipping dogs you mentioned weren’t his progeny)
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I must confess I don’t often look at breeding when I’m having a bet GOM, what would be some of this dogs most notable performers?
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I also don’t know anything about this situation but there is surely no toe injury that should cause a dog to lose its life, no matter how severe - the owner/trainer & vet should be ashamed of themselves and an investigation should be opened by the welfare committee.
- My Two Cents, hedley and What the hell
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Wow!!
So you can no longer break in dogs at Wanganui and if your dog receives a failing to pursue ticket, or a must perform a satisfactory trial etc... You may not trial it in preparation/education as it’s been stood down???
This smacks of another part of our industry being run by people with no dog racing knowledge ! - That or no brains!
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Hi GOM, for those of us that aren’t members could you please enlighten us to the changes they are making?
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On 2/8/2019 at 2:27 PM, Emotive said:
Hi, Not Tonight.
Your original post was clear and you have every right to ask a question.
There is indeed a dress code which sets out the "minimum" dress standard applicable. The code gives some examples of what a minimum standard is. However, the dress code becomes contentious when an individual takes exception to what a particular person or persons are wearing. That's more about personal taste or personal bias. For me presenting, clean, pressed, and unfaded is more important than a style of shirt or pants, but that is my personal view. There is no uniform as such apart from colour.
Totally agree Emotive, if everyone presented themselves with pride ie clean and pressed, does it matter at all if they wear tight pants or flares, long sleeves or short!
Now if we could put as much effort into the condition and presentation of our dogs....
- Emotive, stoptheshit and modest mouse
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Wow! That really surprises me, one of the more blatant head turns - and trackside showed us the head on view just to confirm any doubt!
Shame on you Mr Whiterod - you really dropped the ball!
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Which track was this at? Maybe the Stipes need a shake!