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Emotive last won the day on December 21 2017

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  1. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    POPA GAS As you posted the original thread and appear to be against a day change, can you please give your reasoning behind standing with Sunday trials. Thank you.
  2. Emotive

    Not so Amazing chase

    That is a very narrow view Warren. We are all paid up members of this organisation and as such some may see the race as targeting a small percentage of members. We need to cater for ability at all levels, but does this concept meet all the requirements and does it provide equal opportunity to every entrant? Is it value for money? In the planning stages, questions must be asked and satisfied. If we are going to invest in an event, earmark stakes money, what are we aiming to achieve? What are our goals and targets? Will the event meet those targets and expectations? What are the variables? Then there is the question of equity, the participants pay an entrance fee and are entitled to trial in like conditions. Has that happened? No, your trial time is affected by weather and track conditions on different days. If you are one of the unlucky ones that have been hindered by slow tracks, you have wasted your money. That also casts doubt on whether those that make it through to the finals are actually the fastest dogs or just the lucky ones. Now let's look at the construction of the criteria for entry. Was it open to individual interpretation, yes. May entrants have missed out because the criteria was poorly constructed, yes. So now there is a question around credibility. If you are going to use stakes in this way, then there has to be multiple benefits to the industry, it should never be just about two trainers pissing up a wall. That is a totally irresponsible use of industry funds. The trials here have been a shambles, one week the solo's are being run between races. The next before pre-race trials, the following week after pre-race trials. It would have been far fairer to run all solos in each area on the same day, so each participant trialed under the same conditions. When you spend our money you have to justify the spend and provide the same conditions for all. FAIL!. Remember this is supposed to be a charity event, to lift our profile and generate new interest.
  3. Awesome vid GOM. Flabber, you hit the nail on the head with your opening sentence. Frustrated and struggling, he has worked six months to find something to create a shit storm at the right time, (pardon my bluntness). I agree that the GRNZ should have fronted. I am always disappointed with this type of journalism, no balance. Would they attack Todd, Blyth, and Tait for example? No, they hold them up as heroes. A very high-risk sport with its share of drama for entertainment, money, and ego. Did they produce stats from the sport of canine agility, another high-risk sport for entertainment? No. I looked at a number of SPCA annual reports last night from 2016. One glaring omission was the animal stats. Where were the individual branch euthanasia statistics? Not so long ago they were under fire, with their numbers up around 36- 39,000 per annum. I have often wondered if their opposition to our sport is more about rehoming competition, but then I am cynical when it comes to that arm of animal welfare. When you add the council stats to the overview, what you get is a pretty dismal picture. The cruelty and abandonment within the general pet owning population is extremely high. And what about the dog attack statistics, reported to be around 70,000 per annum. The cost to the country which includes ACC compensation (around 10,000 claims per annum) is phenomenal. We don't even rate a mention in those statistics. The viewpoint presented was intentionally narrow. Not a show I ever watch.
  4. Emotive

    Not so Amazing chase

    I like the idea of racing giving to charity. I understand the need to offer something different, to generate interest. But really is this the best we can do? I agree so far the exercise has been farcical. The trials have been shambolic in my area, weather conditions have knocked a number of participants out. The playing field is far from level. Arguments around eligibility shouldn't be happening but due to the poor construction of the criteria, they are. Is this event value for money? Will it attract new blood to the industry, will it attract new sponsors, will it attract new punters? Will it improve any of the areas needing attention, will more dogs be rehomed, will audience numbers be increased, etc? My contempt isn't for the participants, not at all, the race was created and they have the right to enter under whatever the race criteria is interpreted to be. However, I can understand the "big dick" analogy. Where's the mainstream advertising? We already own the audience that will tune in on the night, so is the hour of exposure worth effort and the money taken from stakes?
  5. Emotive

    UTS Track Design Study Report Released

    Thanks for sharing. I do not doubt that your opinion has been formed in part by your personal experience. The report is based on all the available stats during a 12 month period. Using those stats problem areas have been identified. Are you saying that the stats have been manufactured and the data is flawed? Can you produce reports that undeniably refute the data and conclusions drawn in this report? If so, I would like to read them to get the best understanding possible. I have read many reports because I have a personal interest in reducing injury statistics. I have no experience with track Maintainance but have talked with people who do. This is my understanding unless you get the mix right no amount of track grooming will produce a safe consistent surface in all weather conditions. The wrong mix affects the base and when water is added the base will respond accordingly. So, first on the list is getting that mix right top and bottom. The next priority is making sure that cambers are maintained. Both are critical when looking at injury stats. Personally, I would like to see the lure arm extension stats from as many tracks as possible. Trialed on straight, one turn, and oval. I like the delayed start recommendation, it's logical. When you look at the stats from Hattrick, for example, there is a clear bias. Which means the lure is not clearly visible to all runners at release. The idea that collisions and crowding could be reduced with a delayed start has merit. You mentioned the UK. I don't think a comparison is justified as there are too many variables. Better to compare stats in areas where all conditions are alike and they simply aren't in the UK's case. Yes, they run six dog fields, but other factors may vary considerably. I would like to see the stats for day and night racing, temperature extremes, does air temp play a role? There are aspects of this report I like, and others that require more information in order to agree or not.
  6. Emotive

    UTS Track Design Study Report Released

    Interesting perspective. I see you have chosen to comment on only one main area. The report makes a number of recommendations, so if each of those recommendations were taken up could you say with any certainty that there would not be a reduction in the injury rate ie, changing the lure distance from the rail, delayed start to allow all dogs to view the lure before release etc? The cumulative effect of employing all the recommendations could have a significant benefit. Is it not worth at least trialing? I am assuming that you comment from the other side of the ditch. Are track surfaces not the responsibility of each individual club like they are here?
  7. For anyone interested in track design and safety. Interesting read. https://www.thedogs.com.au/NewsArticle.aspx?NewsId=8734 Actual report found here: http://www.grnsw.com.au/uploads/GRNSW Phase I Report FINAL 20170605.pdf Breakdown can be found here: http://www.grnsw.com.au/uploads/GRNSW Response to UTS Track Design - 4 April 2017 (2).pdf
  8. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    Thanks mate, that just made my day! I wish, there would be a heck of a lot of changes if I were.
  9. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    The club's first obligation is to the legally binding contracts it holds with the NZRB, the GRNZ, the TAB, and any legislation that applies. The next is providing the safest possible racing surface for trials and race meetings. If there is room to accommodate other needs then they should. Clubs signed away most of their rights giving the GRNZ control. Members pay a pittance to belong to the club. The membership fee was $20 and for most that was their total contribution to the club. For the price of 4 takeaway lattes, they get half price trials and a vote. If trials were not half price, most wouldn't part with the twenty bucks. No one puts their hand up to take on board responsibilities but jump up and down when they don't get their way, or things go wrong. We have a million dollar grandstand, personally, I would have preferred a state of the art track.
  10. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    Did I say that? Is Wanganui worked 7 days a week now? Is any track in New Zealand worked 7 days a week?
  11. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    As previously stated I understand the difficulties that some may face. However, trials in the CD would be run every weekday, Monday-Tuesday at Manawatu, Wednesday-Thursday-Friday at Wanganui. Presently Sunday trials are a bit of a lottery with break-ins and race dogs being mixed. Puppy lures being taken on and off the lure as each dog presents. I would say with some certainty that a vet would not be available for Sunday trials, nor are electricians needed in the case of electrical failure. There is one more point I would like to add, and that pertains to being a good employer. I would like to see all track staff given two consecutive days off which would allow each to properly rest at the end of their working week. Working at the track can be very stressful, research has proven that insufficient rest coupled with anxiety/stress can cause mistakes and accidents as well as fostering disharmony. Working from 8 am till after 10 pm on a Friday night does not make Jack a happy boy, especially when they are back at work on Sunday. It's all good and well to say I demand this and that, but the issues are far more complicated than I work all week, what about me.
  12. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    Zero. We live in a highly regulated world, compliance is now a legal obligation for all organisations. The club is a facilitator, a contractor, a service provider, an entertainer, and an employer. Each activity that the club is involved in is regulated by various legislation from more than one Act. The world as many knew it is gone, greyhound racing is now a professional sport. Do you have an issue with a more professional approach to what exists presently? Trials run to race day standard, fully qualified staff, track groomed every half hour, full communications system, vet on site, manager on site to immediately address problems that may arise. Why would anyone wish to reduce the proposed standards? Joe talks about working fulltime, that's a choice just like it is for me to concentrate totally on training. The club has legal and moral responsibilities, the first is to dog welfare, and I as a club member I expect my club to operate to the highest possible standards.
  13. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    "Some will be inconvenienced but is that a good enough reason to ignore legal and moral obligations? Just my thoughts." I understand the difficulties. Do you?
  14. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    Exactly! None of us were present when the discussions were had in regard to the proposed trial day change, so unless you have made the effort to speak directly to the Wanganui board any talk here is unproductive. At this stage, the change is still under discussion. The board wishes to trial a new system, at this stage, the change of day will be a trial. We are part of a million dollar industry, that comes with modern-day obligations and expectations. Health and safety is a biggie, then you have animal welfare regulations, service liability, employment contract obligations, legal liability, etc, etc. Under the present various laws and codes, the board must ask the relevant questions, do we comply? What was acceptable in the past has no bearing on how clubs must operate today. Change is always opposed by some, Manawatu is a prime example. Today Manawatu is a very successful club, financially sound with a proactive board. As I said previously, I would like to see the change trialed. I like the idea of running trials under race day conditions, fully staffed, with an on-site vet. That is not what we have on a Sunday. I like the idea of having Sunday off as I work 7 days a week with my dogs. Having Sundays off would allow downtime to spend with family and friends. I took the time to ask the questions. Some will be inconvenienced but is that a good enough reason to ignore legal and moral obligations? Just my thoughts.
  15. Emotive

    News from Wanganui

    I assume members were canvassed before the change was ratified? I assume staff were consulted before the change was ratified as their schedule would have to be adjusted to allow for the change? I assume switching from Sunday to Thursday allows for full staffing of trials as Thursday is a normal workday, removing the need for Sunday fill-ins? I assume from the 1st of August there will no longer be trials after the last race on racedays? I assume that the club will monitor the changes and make adjustments where necessary? I like the idea of having Saturdays and Sundays off.
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