Khan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOLtTGvsbM All I wanna do when I wake up in the morning is check the form, Joanna, Joanna Never thought that a horse like you could lead and lose for me, Joanna All I wanna do in the middle of the evening is shut my eyes, Joanna, Joanna Didn't know a horse could sit outside you and still win Not quite a week, since you started fave Joanna, yeah You just lost, now I have to say Can you go all the way? Can you go all the way? Joanna, yeah Can you go all the way? Can you go all the way? Joanna, yeah I can see my face still staring in disbelief at the sectionals, Joanna, Joanna Didn't know a 54 last half could ever be too slow Joanna All I wanna say is tonight is the one to win, Joanna, Joanna Never though that backing you could ever hurt so bad Not quite a week, since you started fave Joanna, yeah She just lost, now I have to say Can you go all the way? Can you go all the way? Joanna, yeah Can you go all the way? Can you go all the way? Joanna, yeah

Another, even clearer, link: http://tab.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/276/kw/supertab betting rules/session/L3RpbWUvMTQ4OTM1NTA2NC9zaWQvUnA1ZjJvZG4%3D

I don't understand why you keep talking about pools if you're talking about fixed odds. 'TabCorp are not the tab within the Victorian racing area. It is STab.' TabCorp do own the Victorian Tab and this appears to be where much of our confusion has arisen. TabCorp own the Victorian Tab and the NSW Tab (and recently, the ACT Tab too). Read the above link I provided. The Victorian Tab operate the SuperTab tote pools: https://www.tabcorp.com.au/news-media/media-releases/victorian-tab-enters-into-new-pooling-arrangements When I talk about TabCorp, or the 'Australian Tab', I am talking about the one (huge and dominant) entity that offers the exact same fixed odds in NSW and Victoria (and the ACT). There is zero difference or distinction between states when it comes to all of their fixed odds operations, so it makes no sense to me when you say that betting in NSW will have less fluctuations than elsewhere. The Victorian Tab has been commonly known as the SuperTab for decades, as it used to be a tote only operation so there was no practical difference. As I'm only talking about fixed odds I've been using the term SuperTab instead of Victorian Tab, as that's what I've called it all my life. However SuperTab is only a relevant concept for totalisator pools and that appears to have contributed to this confusion. If so I apologise and hope that things are clear now. TabCorp used to operate their single fixed odds service in the traditional way (open short odds and keep increasing them until someone takes them), but have now changed that. I have elaborated on that elsewhere here but there seems little point in talking about what TabCorp are doing with their fixed odds while you remain unclear what TabCorp is.

harewood there are many areas of miscommunication between us and I'm dubious we can resolve them but I'll have another go and try to keep things simple. I have always been talking about fixed odds only. Your observations seem mainly about totalisator betting but nothing I have ever written here has been about totalisator betting. TabCorp are dominant players in fixed odds for racing in Australia.. TabCorp own the SuperTab and the NSW Tab and each of those offers the same fixed odds at all times.. https://www.tabcorp.com.au/who-we-are/our-brands As fascinating as I find it I won't go into manipulation of punters aspect here as we need to understand this first part to even dream of discussing it.

Clover Mac held the lead early. Sunny Mac began ok but made no effort to take it from him. This appeared to pay off when it ultimately got a very nice one one sit but the horse went terribly for some reason and faded into third last. Clover Mac enjoyed a cushy run to hold on to second but On Thunder Road tends to be a hard horse to run past in the home straight. The most interesting part of the race for me was yet another demonstration of the effectiveness of TabCorps new lemming odds manipulation technique. Once a favourite starts to shorten it basically never stops. Sunny Ruby was $2.90 into $2.15! Such dramatic market moves used to be almost unheard of but are now routine. This is game changing stuff for harness punters.

Looking at that Group 1 there's an unusual lack of gatespeed in the front row. Clover Mac or Sunny Ruby seem the only serious candidates. Sunny Ruby leading would be well worth a bet at the $2.90 currently available in Oz, however Andy Gath horses often pull their heads off so there's a chance (however unlikely it probably seems to NZ harness fans) that Kate Gath on Clover Mac would not hand up to Sunny Ruby. In that scenario Sunny would probably then get one one cover behind On Thunder Road which is not that bad, so $2.90 would still seem very reasonable then also.

KD Muscles left NZ as a T1. It's won $80k in Australia this season so far and is racing in a Group 1 race tonight. Clover Mac was a T3 in NZ who could lead from a standing start, run a 63.1 first half and still miss a place: http://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=227848 In Australia he can get involved in blistering 27.8 opening quarter speed duels from the death and still win: http://www.harness.org.au/video-replay.cfm?state=VIC&raceCode=MXM24021708 Clover Mac is currently $6 odds to win the aforementioned Group 1 Trotting Grand Prix at Melton tonight. So why are there any low rated trotters left racing over there? Send them all to Andy Gath!

You're talking about the traditional tote product which is clearly irrelevant to this discussion as there are no betting limits imposed on it. If someone is stupid enough to bet a million dollars into a tote pool that would be allowed. I'm talking about fixed odds which are now offered by both the NZ Tab and Tabcorp and many others. Betting limits are certainly in place for these fixed odds products, as has been discussed here at length. Also TabCorp has introduced the random shortening aspect as described above which I believe is unique to them (to this degree at least) and worthy of comment. If it is successful for them it may become more popular among other betting companies.

The odds appear to have not copied and pasted so I"ll try again. 19 18 19 21 23 26 31 34 31 5.5 4.8 7 7.5 7 6.5 81 101 81 101 126 101 101 126 101 51 41 51 61 51 61 71 81 71 81 26 31 26 31 34 41 21 19 18 19 18 19 21 3.5 4.4 4.6 5 4.8 4.6 4.2 4.4 1.45 1.55 1.5 1.45 1.5 1.45

'The Australian TAB' is TabCorp, in case you were really wondering. Here are their fluctuations from the first harness race that just ran at Swan Hill. The formatting on these odds may well be terrible and if so I apologise in advance: TabCorp shortened every runner at least once. Does anyone think that significant money was bet on horse 2 at $5.50 odds (when much better odds were easily available elsewhere) so they shortened it into $4.80, and then a few minutes TabCorp decided to offer odds of $7? That makes no sense. Did someone really back horse 1 from $19 into $18, only for it to get out to $34 later? No. TabCorp are clearly just testing the waters with all these little shorteners. As I said before they are trying to induce Fear Of Missing Out into punters so they will take the shortened odds about a horse they are intending to back. Watch the TabCorp fluctuations on any harness race and this will happen.

The Australian TAB frequently reduces odds randomly, trying to induce panicked punters who wanted to back it into taking the shorter odds. At all costs they will give Sky Channel presenters a 'shortener' so they can say 'it looks like punters have come for horse X!!', sending the lemmings into taking shorter and shorter odds about it. You will never hear the Sky presenters say 'looks like nobody is backing anything in this race' these days as that is not the message they want to send.