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So tell me this if it’s true and he does have 600 dogs , and I’m saying you be hard pressed to feed them for $5 a day .he can’t be making much profit… I don’t agree with you when you say he be giving half to owners as he owns a lot himself… but as I see we can’t agree I’ll leave it at that .

This is become much harder than it should have been . How do you know your dead right with your figures if you don’t even know how many dogs he has ? And how do you know I’m not right ? Lol telling me to go away don’t tell me I’m hitting a nerve.

Maybe it is , maybe it isn’t. What we need to find out is, what a suitable number is considered sustainable. And the only way to do that so far is with the required race’s program .

And you think your correct with your figures? Are you also correct with saying he has 600 dogs ?

Joe what happened to your response?

Clearly there is a shortage of dogs as for a long time now they have been struggling to fill a full race card only 9 races the other day with 7 and 6 dog fields.does that not tell you the numbers are wrong?

Still awaiting your response on this . also the cost to run 600 dogs …per day . You started this up so back up your statement. It’s shouldn’t be this hard .

Tell me what you think it costs per day to run ? You come up with the figure what both subsidy come to and I’ve explained my working on this . Still awaiting your thoughts ,what it would cost per day running costs for 600 dogs plus everything else . I think you will also find that not all his dogs have owners so saying 50% is going out to owners is not correct. Please deal in the facts we have in front of us .

I find it very hard to see how you can feed a racing dog for $5 a day cost of meat , kibble, vitamins , . I’m not complaining regarding feed subsidy. Just saying . if 11k is going to wages that’s were its going , one week or 2 . I would saying running cost for a place with 600 dogs, food , 11 staff, power ,fuel, insurance , vet , products etc the list goes on would be around 5-6k per day . If it runs at 5k per day that would be 35k a week. Your saying he would get 33k so he is down 2k for the start . If he races he has the potential to earn from his outset’s.yes he will have to pay owners but the owner is also paying /contributing to the cost .

Tell me the running costs per day .

Now we are getting somewhere, don’t worry about the wage subsidy as that goes straight to the staff . question for you … do you think you can feed a racing dog for $5 a day ? Depending on your answer we might just be on the right track . what do you think his daily running costs are ? Don’t worry about me for now let’s just get to the bottom of this as this is the topic, you are yet to compare your theory for a smaller trainer how they are not better off. going by your math it would be 32k not 33k so your down 1k to start.

All I asked you to do was explain it . 33k a week, tell me how you got that figure and we will go from there ….

Again explain how the bigger kennels are better off ? You clearly think you know what he got this time so explain your finding, vs a smaller trainer and tell me how they are not better off . You will need to work in cost vs profit just to help you out a little bit. Remember this is your words , ( so the ones that will be doing better out of this is the bigger kennels)

Can’t argue with you . You say the ones with bigger kennels are better off how ? Please explain I’m interested to see what you have to say .

Statements like this is what has lead the greens to attack, you people are your own worst enemy. You say people breed to many yet in the CD and the North there is a huge shortage of dogs so why ?

Are you for real? Didn’t he win 100k I’m the first 11 days of racing this month? If you can feed and look after 1 dog for $5 a day your doing something very wrong that would not even come close . But I do say well done to Nzgra for offering up this subsidy. You people do realise it’s a wage subsidy from the government like every other business he must pay staff.? He like everyone else must keep his business running and this all comes at a cost the bigger the business the bigger the cost . I really can’t see joe where you find your logic .

Did you not all see box trial protocol?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12329025

Rules for some . You are wrong I suggest you ring the racing manager to clear this up for you before you continue your rant .

I think they do they are probably all facing the same situation right now . It’s only going to get worse before it gets better no doubt

Stakes levels might be going back to those days . I don’t think there is any talk about bringing entry fees back just someone’s stupid idea .

Do they even have the money to consider group or feature races ?

Granted. So who else will be taking a cut ? Or what else ? I get that hard times are ahead not just within the industry.

I see they are looking to cut stakes when we return.... do the Nzgra get paid stakes weekly or something??? I would have thought they would have been allocated stakes well in advance so why are they looking at stakes cut now ?