Kotare_Hunter
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7 minutes ago, CeeMeNow said:
Reality = a driver hits the dust sheet or sulky shafts with the whip......Perception = a driver hits the horse.
The regulatory divisions of HRNZ have ruled that guilt or innocence is irrelevant, irrespective of the facts, a driver can be guilty (under certain circumstance) of an offence, because the public perception of their actions is deemed to be detrimental to the harness racing industry.
Just like Nat (before her little holiday) you too are batting 1.000
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12 hours ago, MrBigStuff said:
This guy should just call the race and not scream down the microphone at the end of a race. Went over the top IMO.
Some awful calls there today capped off by getting the photo wrong in the last. Yes I am talking through my pocket with that one but still. You don’t here Matt Hill or Greg Miles blowing the arse out of the microphone do you.
Tony Lee protege I think someone suggested.
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1 hour ago, Fartoomuch said:
Great music by Pink Floyd Kotare "Darkside of the Moon"
Dravid also a good album.
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2 hours ago, scooby3051 said:
No I believe he has not posted here.
Looks like he is now over on the "Darkside" Scoobs
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I have not seen Happy post in ages.
Does this mean he has blocked me?
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25 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:
Maybe your being a touch harsh Kotare re his initial post as a lot of people share his sentiments albeit that he has them guilty before the full case/defense is heard. Apart from that its not the worst post i have ever seen
I get what you are saying but he fair dinkum made those charges up. Nobody on stealing charges lol. Charged with corrupt practice, where on earth did that come from. Police prime focus now on convictions ummmmmmmmm why were the police involved initially.
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7 minutes ago, CeeMeNow said:
It is a disappointment to me that industry participants charged with stealing money from owners and punters are allowed back on the track, prior to charges being heard and conclusions drawn.
Welcome aboard HG, its good to see the ouststanding daughter of Hilarious Way and New Guest has joined us. The last filly to win the NZ Derby.
CeeMeeNow must have been your stable name.
Love your nonsense.
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10 hours ago, what a post said:
Its all subjective. I think they would have looked inept(as you put it) had they not taken the action they did 2 months ago.
so you saw a need to immediately double up on the bail conditions
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1 hour ago, what a post said:
Not sure what you mean. According to the article the RIU only sought clarification to pre empt an appeal to the high court. Made perfect sense to me. Their hand was forced. The decision of the jca was always going to be in favour of mr x and y without the disclosure of the police evidence available to the jca.
Had they sought clarification 2 months ago instead of rushing in they would not look as inept as to do now.
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1 minute ago, eljay said:
That means it was the TAB that stuffed up - it's like HRNZ/RIU's "office error".
Yup
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51 minutes ago, Lee270744 said:
No, they were not the target of the vendetta.
Pensioner the subject of an ex employee vendetta.
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4 hours ago, 50 win no. 1 said:
Have not bet on harness racing since this emerged, when is it going to be resolved?
For almost 2 years or almost 2 months?
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11 hours ago, what a post said:
The RIU seem to be handling it well so far.
As in the handling the JCA decision well?
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I think co-mingling issues also got a mention.
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41 minutes ago, Kotare_Hunter said:
Welcome back Driver X and Driver Y its been way way too long.
https://theinformant.co.nz/jca-quash-raceday-driving-exclusions-for-mr-x-and-mr-y/
JCA QUASH RACEDAY DRIVING EXCLUSIONS FOR MR X AND MR Y
Posted by Garrick Knight | Oct 26, 2018 | Harness, News
The Judicial Control Authority (JCA), on Friday afternoon, released their ruling on the exclusions of two drivers charged with race fixing by Police, referred to as ‘Mr X’ and ‘Mr Y’, and both are now free to resume driving in official races.
The two-man JCA panel, comprising Geoff Hall and Lynton Stevens QC, found that the Racecourse Inspector’s decisions dated September 27 and 28 to prevent both men from driving in totalisator races, failed to take in to account proportionality.
That is, whether the harm such measures would result in to Mr X and Mr Y were proportionate to the charges they faced.
Accordingly, Hall and Stevens quashed the Racecourse Inspector’s exclusion of both men.
“It follows that, pending the disposition of the criminal charges against open horsemen X and Y, or alternatively pending the making of any further order by the Judicial Committee, open horsemen X and Y can drive at any race meeting at which betting is available,” read the ruling.
Hall and Stevens were clear that, if the Police provided compelling evidence against X and Y regarding alleged race fixing, the exclusions could come back in to place.
“The decisions of the Racecourse Inspector were made on the basis of the fact open horsemen X and Y have been charged with criminal offences and the limited information contained in the Police summary of facts in each case.
“Disclosure by the Police under the Criminal Disclosure Act 2008 is yet to be provided.
“Accordingly, should further relevant information become available, or if there is a material change of circumstances, the Racing Integrity Unit is granted leave to bring the application for a ruling back before the Judicial Committee for further consideration.”
Both men, among numerous others, are due back in court on December 5 where it is expected Police will lodge a summary of evidence.
Mike Godber, General Manager of the Racing Integrity Unit, said his team “accept the JCA ruling”.
The RIU went to the JCA for clarification on the exclusion notices as an alternative to enduring a high court appeal by Mr X and Mr Y. -
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Mick the Bland is suggesting an Everest type harness race.
Could run it at Alex Park and call it the One Tree Hill
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Reserved decision re the 2 excluded drivers.
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1 hour ago, Taku Umanga said:Not according to the tweet from Garrick Knight in the article in the link above.
Charges have since been tinkered with.
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26 minutes ago, eljay said:
I thought Anderson was also charged on fixing - but I may be mistaken
unmistaken are you
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2 hours ago, what a post said:
So what are you saying. Your above post could lead to several different conclusions. Not sure whether you are deliberately trying to muddy the waters ,but that's the impression I get. One thing I think pretty obvious, if the person concerned had no charges pending then we would have read it on their website.
If Joseph babich can have his convictions for actual serious charges quashed,then anyone with money can I guess.
No mud Kotare but respecting of supression orders means mis information cant always be corrected.
PM'ed you
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30 minutes ago, badger said:
Yes Jape she was charged with possession and supply of a B class drug not race fixing
"was" being the operative word
For a time she was also prevented from going on course to ply her trade which seemed odd.
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The are new regulations.
Saddle Trots Derek Balle Stables R8 tonight.
in Thoroughbred Cafe
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Previous name for the Central Otago Racing Club ?