tasman man
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Billy Slater.......a smooth transition from a great SOO player to a fantastic Queensland SOO Coach......shrewd selector and tactician.
Already talk of him being the GOAT....a big call that ahead of the incumbents Wayne Bennett and Cam Smith.
Maybe in time he will be , but this year he had massive help from the pathetic NSW outfit.
What a sad bunch of losers ,yet many of the commentators kept talking them up ,saying they could come back from 20 points down , haha ie score over 20 points in less than 12 minutes.
Pathetic effort NSW...yet again !
Ennis was almost weeping after the game , almost speechless which is odd for him !
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On 7/16/2018 at 1:15 PM, tasman man 11 said:
A great Wimbledon win by Djokovic ,on his day the best player in the World.
Now in the running to become the best player ever.....the one to take the GOAT mantle off the beautiful Roger Federer.
Some may say that the Wimbledon conditions....this year more of a bog like ,slower clay court grass surface....suited him but he did have to beat the King of Clay in a long zzzzzzzz behind the baseline slug fest...not pure tennis.
He does have the all round record ,he's had to win all his titles when RF and RN at their best also he's had to come back from injury and with 2 x kids now has balance in his life.
A true champion ....yes has thrown the odd racket etc....
The next GOAT !!!
5 years on.......Djokovic franks himself as the GOAT !
What a player .....sure a few don't like him personally [ TPS ] but a worthy successor to the great RF.
Tough on the Spaniard , but only room on the pedestal for one GOAT , he just playing in the wrong era !
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12 hours ago, scooby3051 said:
Dont agree about him being a good guy...if he was he would have come on and said he was wrong...he has visited the site a couple of times but not man enough to apologise....oh well if thats a good guy then I must have gotten the meaning wrong.
I explained recently I was overseas ...often out of touch in North Sea etc.
Currently i in Germany and Austria.
I note my content on notice ! Haha .
You assume I been on here , well maybe because my computer is being shared for emails etc then some of the small group are clicking on the racecafe posts that appear on my email.
That is something that happened in recent times , and I do not want that !
Maybe it is you who has got confused....think about it....Did you ever ask anyone on RC or by PM if they interested in doing some articles.
You may have messaged me by mistake and not realised. I remember it well.
This would be a good thing , it would show you were showing initiative and trying to stay more current and relevant.
Let's face it , not much has changed on here for sometime !
Just the same 65+ old farts being negaholics...it wears people down and really little on Thoroughbreds and Harness !
I'm quite happy to be booted off RACECAFE.......it's a badge of honour !
I never met you and would not recognise you .......I been a member here for some years and paid a subscription for a while etc etc , but I very pleased to be scubbed off . Feels great !
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4 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:
I agree Pam is a voice that is grass roots and at the coalface...not BS from corporate office in downtown wherever...Tasman Man ...remember there is always a reason for things changing either for the good or for the worse...a few years back there was so many more horses in work...wonder why that is...maybe you can enlighten us as you seem to know where things have gone downhill...now tell us why....could it be because it simply is not worth having them in work now as prizemoney is shyte and programming is shyte..why would anyone have a jumper in the SI there is virtually no jumping races there...like I say you seem to have a very one sided view...does NZTR employ you in some capacity???
Haha scooby......you seem to have a short memory !
Wasn't it you a while back who asked me to write some articles for your racecafe ??????
A simple yes or no will suffice.
I had one post left and was going to use it on Leggy who accused me of using corporate bully tactics...I thought that odd coming from a guy who is clearly the Number one most prolific poster on Racecafe.....has been for some time. WD may challenge that !
i am also informed that he is the number one poster on your main rival site as well......under a different name.
He has his little tag team on that as well including WD and Pam who also posts under a different name I'm told....double the grass roots !
What's the point of this.........is it to make points twice as strong , to run with the hares and hunt with the hounds ?
Are they employed by sites and used as loss leaders like supermarkets...put out cheap thought starters to create interest.
So now I recently been called a polyana [ most popular] , like a corporate bully , an apologist , employed by NZTR ...haha !
I wish I was the latter cos I would be on a good salary and benefit for doing very little and I dare say could add a little !
I've been around a while , worked a bit around horses , written a few stories/previews and had picks published , owned shares in some fast and many slow horses [ both codes] and audited a couple of Racing clubs for a couple of years.
The same credentials as when you offered me a role !!!!!
Currently I'm overseas , laying low for a couple of days but soon will be again dangerously fit looking forward to NZ Cup week as usual and possibly Melbourne !
I note a couple of our jumpers nominated for NZ Cup , yes I affected by demise of jumping but a few shares in harness , and a recent transfer of a galloper to Melbourne stable gives me an interest in Spring. Then there is Singapore too !
So I happy on holiday and maybe will report back with post in a month !
Keep the names coming !
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4 hours ago, TurnyTom said:
TM, I personally admire Pam as she speaks her mind from the actual grass roots of day to day involvement at the coal face. Her comments I invariably find have value.
Sure, she ain't an apologist and on that alone I admire her input.
Maybe, just maybe, if we didn't have the room so full of apologists and had more Pam's throwing down the challenge to leadership then possibly NZ Racing wouldn't be in the strife it is in.
IMHO we need more Pam's speaking up, as the free ride for *the leadership* has gone on for too long.
Think about it TM, there just may be value here if we had a room full of Pam's, *battling away at the coalface*, rather than full of apologists
Tom ,you always good for a laugh !
Often a bit from left field , but always a loyal one-eyed Cantabrian.
Possibly Southern racing would be in better shape if mainlanders put more effort into their particular area !
I experienced the sharp decline in Otago racing , and recently Otago trotting !
I experienced the terminal decline in Nelson gallops and the trots hang on with 3 x meetings [was 4]. The Blenheim circuit seems shaky as well.
Ashburton were gifted the Jewels ,eventually losing them , Washdyke seemed to decline similarly ..
Jumps racing almost gone.....no grass roots Tom ! Geez I loved Koral and No Offence before him !
Watch out......the Group 1's in November will be next.....Speaking ones mind needs to be directed thru correct channels.
Speaking ones mind on Internet like winking in the dark...you know what you doing but no one else does !
Grass roots work was required years/decades ago.
Folk firing bullets and slagging off THEIR industry on the INTERNET and Social media has never been the answer & never will be.
Talking of speaking one's mind Tom do you remember the story about the 'Boy who cried wolf ?''
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11 hours ago, We're Doomed said:
I have had the pleasure of meeting Pam and can report that she is one of the more intelligent people I have met in racing, and a deep thinker about all aspects of the industry with more knowledge and experience than most. We are very lucky that someone with her insight contributes on these forums. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism.
If you say this WD ,then it must be true , but generally in the business / normal world that publicly rubbishing the administration of an activity that you financially gain from is called 'biting the hand that feeds you'.
Who would have thought that a few 'conflicted ' posters from the 'we are doomed party' have jumped to the lady's defence.
Conflicts of interest and personal agendas seems behind a lot of NZ racings woes ,and my memory goes back a while.
Chris Wood makes some very factual points , he seems the type of trainer I'd be happy to take a share of a horse in , and there are several others out there too . Trainers who realise it's their livelihood and its futile to continually slag it off publically.
Making comparisons with RV , or NSW and Hong Kong racing etc is kinda futile as NZ racing has much more problems and much less money to try and fix them.
Maybe you WD can divert some of your study to producing some comparisons between RV and NZ racing.
That would be of some interest !
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14 minutes ago, Pam Robson said:
RV looking to reduce AWT meetings and promote provincial grass track racing...who woulda thought that.
You looking at the negative side ONLY !
Seems enough positives there re trackwork and jumpouts etc to build on their usefulness.
Only been in less than 15 months in NZ and most of NZ top trainers support them .
RV has the luxury of being able to spend significantly to upgrade their grass surfaces which a majority of participants prefer ...this was always obvious..poor old NZ was technically bankrupt ,unable to pay their monthly creditors when Winston stepped in and gifted these tracks.
They were never going to be a 'silver bullet ' but the local trainers should be at least be seen to be supporting them. The number of meetings in NZ to date has not been great and as the Messara Report emphasised NZ did not have one decent track....at the time of report he said all needed significant work !
I attended the first meeting at Cambridge and quite surprised at the venomous negative comments made by a few people close to the industry....the very people they were introduced to help.
Similar to Jumps racing in NZ [and South]. Many close to the industry want the races put on but make no attempt to produce horses to race in them.
I've been told that you are a battling trainer who spends far too much time spreading negativity about the industry , don't know you from a bar of soap but if true I'd wonder why ?
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8 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:
What it says to me is stuff the grass roots this is what they seem to be focusing on...or am I wrong.????
Oh dear.....cheer up boss !
Grass roots enjoys many of the best summer days over Xmas etc and with Summer racing promotions etc these have been given a boost in recent times including extra NZTR help and funding !
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Lifting those minimum stakes for a small number of races ie Maidens IMO was necessary and not good for the clubs image.
It was 'nickel and diming'.
And the announcement of how much the Club puts into Stakes from it's own money , has in the past included the significant nomination and acceptance fees that Owners need to stump up months ahead of all the big races.
So it's smoke and mirrors IMO.
I 100% support what ATR is doing about raising stakes significantly. , but it will make it tough on the other Clubs to raise theirs .
Of course the negaholics will point out the ATR races receive significantly more money from NZTR already .
Even before the merger with Counties and selling land etc the ARC had a very nice nest egg accruing good income every year from this and other non -racing activity.
And Clubs need this outside revenue to survive let alone prosper ...impossible to fund racing from the core business of horse racing.
Well done ATR......bring it on !
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Good to get out a reminder of the big racedays for the season.
Certainly this advert has jolted me into action and I booked a few flights , getting some new threads and joined a gym so I looking good when all the well dressed females turn up at the track !
Now we just need some horses with a bit of profile and good crowds and good betting etc !
Looking forward to those days !
Thanks for the reminder.
Good to see some positive advertising !
- mckenzie, Black Kirrama and JJ Flash
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1 hour ago, Memphis3 said:
No I’m not missing the place.
And im not going for Kyrgios
You are missing the point. You are comparing extreme weather condition to normal winter conditions . Bad track upkeep is not closing there tracks.
Eagle Farm was an exception but they have fixed that now.
You were lucky Nadal got a abdominal complaint or our old mate would have been seeking you out again.
Funniest post ever !
Me mate TORCH says Hawera one of best courses in the country !
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1 hour ago, Memphis3 said:
Due to unbelievable flooding in NSW not 33 mm of rain old mate.
Haha Memphis.........a big flood little different to surface water ,continual rain and a shocking forecast.
The extreme heat abandonments and power outages surely not due to 'unbelievable flooding'....I mentioned some areas been flooded 4 x times in a year.
And Queensland and WA meetings abandoned too.
You miss the place ? Go Krygios !
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9 hours ago, Leggy said:
Thanks Leggy .
That section of Australian Racing site , doesn't seem to include total number of Abandonments , possibly just the ones being transferred in whole ,to a new date or venue.
A quick look at the NZ TAB result page for just last week shows the Aussie Races / cards which were declared but bets refunded.
Monday 4th July Barcaldine Abandoned
Wagga ran 3 of 8
Gunnedah ran 5 of 7
Tuesday 5th July Grafton ran 4 of 8
Goulburn Abandoned all 7 races
Ballina Abandoned all 7 races
Wednesday 6th July Warwick Farm Abandoned all 7 , moved to Canterbury later in week.
Ipswich Abandoned all 9
Thursday 7th July Warwick Abandoned all 8
Friday 8th July Taree Abandoned all 8
Thats 10 x meetings in 5 days plus the odd non-TAB meeting
Not all the above are on the attached site.
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6 hours ago, We're Doomed said:
One of the reasons Australia doesn't have many abandoned meetings, except in exceptional circumstances, is that they are proactive and often move meetings a day or two beforehand, and very seldom on raceday. Of course you can do that if you have a good number of racetracks. They are bloody lucky no overseas expert has ever turned up and told them they have far too many racetracks and would do miles better if they closed heaps down.
Are you serious WD ??
Australia has had dozens of abandoned meetings this year.......plus the ones that are able to be postponed / transferred to nearby tracks within a week !
Many have been cos of the extreme weather ,particularly because of rain / water....some areas have been flooded 4 x times in a year.
Earlier in the year extreme heat was often given as the reason to abandon , plus there have been power outages as well.
In July there has probably been 10 Abandoned already ,some of these after some races had begun.
Of course Aussie cos it is so much bigger and better and more professionally run can more easily transfer.
Less staff in NZ make it more difficult , and the limited outside TAB broadcast vans need to be moved around too.
NZ Racing agreed in 1970's that there were too many tracks , but no one could agree how to reduce......subsequently track facilities particularly the racing surfaces have deteriorated .....few disagreed with the Messara report[on race surfaces] who said there was not ONE good surface in NZ that didn't need significant upgrade.
I see your TAG team of misery is moving back in to dominate this site...so you will have plenty of support till they rot away with frustration. The duck will be back soon ,with the other negaholics !
i was talking to a South Island trainer recently , just delighted with the available stakes in the South and enjoying the opportunity to compete on the Synthetic. Can't understand why the negaholics came out even before the thing had been used , even before they had raced or trained on it . Loving it ....their owners too !
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1 hour ago, john legend said:
Can someone explain how the good 4 year old White Star Orlando is listed as having a 6 year old dad, A Rocknroll Rod ? 2 minus gestation equals ?
My guess is a music lover allowed 2 x precocious two year olds in the same paddock and they took a liking to each other.
RockNroll Rod meets Adele and says Hello and the rest is history !
- Iraklis, 2Piper and john legend
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Tauranga R1 Go Lucinda $20 EW
Tauranga R2 Turn The Ace $400 EW
Tauranga R3 Happy Ego $20 EW
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10 hours ago, JTeaz said:
Given we have a minute budget i think you really need to give more credit to the 2. Yes 2 people behind the scenes who make the show possible. We have produced 5 shows to date on a 40k budget when trackside have a million dollar budget. Im not quite sure what you were expecting when we have had very little support from anyone. Karen and i are almost working for free and our 2 technical masterminds are supplying their own gear and not even earning minimum wage.
The HD part is frustrating but as far as we are concerned we have met the brief which was set out originally. It is now up to the higher ups to give us more money so we can take the show to the next level.
As i am a betting man i would be setting the likelihood of the show continuong past this week at 200/1
This would be unfortunate for a number of reasons.......6 x weeks is a very short trial period , particularly at this time of year.
Sure you have had a couple of Group 1 meetings but also nights with both small and low quality meetings , plus not going up against comparable meetings last year. The meetings are different plus covid complicates things and things just getting back to 'normal'.
ATC [ J.MacKinnon] is taking credit for this innovation / trial.
When they announced it they said it would be 12 x weeks , then later said they had invited Addington to be part of it too !. It was ATC's baby !
Among the Financial debacle that is ATC , they recently announced that the Club is in a strong financial position [ Equity strong , best ever Net Asset position , plus they said all cash flow requirements currently under control.]
The pokies pay most of the 'racenight' expenses while more vacant spaces being rented out so no cashflow issues.
The ATC should have no excuses not to continue the trial and give it a decent chance.......they said an indepth analysis would take place as to the future of the trial.
6 x weeks is not long enough for an indepth trial ,particularly when ATC have served you up some 7 race programs and small fields and the Channel not widely advertised.
You need to push hard and insist on a longer trial etc.
Personally I have seen very little of the Show as I usually attend meetings !
Also personally , I enjoy the fantastic job done by Jo Stevens with 'best of nights' plus winning interviews and various chats with industry participants...ditto Nigel's work in South.
They too kicked off on on a shoestring budget ...nothing !
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Te Rapa r6........ 2 , 7
Te Rapa r7.........1 , 9 , 13
Te Rapa r8........3 , 4 , 5
Flemington r5......5 , 6
Ipswich r 7........ 1
Ipswich r8.......6 , 17
Ipswich r9.......20
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With 11 x good sized fields ,plenty of chances , Addington on Friday night should do well with the night to themselves.
No All Stars or two divvy races at this stage to stunt betting !
However Auckland tonight has 2 x 6 horse races and 4 x 7 horse races .....poor really!
Sure it not easy to produce horses out of thin air , but are they trying hard enough ?
This issue has been stamped URGENT for some time !
Also with the change to Thursday , with several more to come it is a bad look to not even see the fields or story in the NZ Herald to alert readers to this change !
Racing has a full page today in Herald.
One third a story re Steve Hansen and Nature Stripe .....from MG in London !
One third a photo of Nature Stripe winning.
One third an advert for Harness racing Syndicate.
I hope eljay and his regulars know the trots on tonight !
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1 hour ago, john legend said:
The point is Harness racing has cut high stakes eg. ak cup and nz cup in recent times to at least try to get a budget target in covid times etc. but the greyhounds increase theirs because it is relatively cheap to train a greyhound and run a meet with much lower costs and they can run many many more meetings and they appear to have very good representation on Racing boards (good for them) A previous CEO of TAB (some time ago)said to me personally when I mentioned they were going to be a threat to harness racing stated they are simply polyfilla (filling in the gaps.) If you cant grasp this then I cannot help you anymore.
You not helping me John .
You started a thread .....only you know why .....and when asked to back up what you suggested ,you revert to hearsay from 30 to 40 years ago !
Greyhound racing going through some difficult times in Nz , but they still add good $$$$$ to the TAB's coffers .
Stakes per race reflect their popularity with punters but IMO its good they have some Group races for good coin.
To follow up your opening post , maybe you could provide some 'facts' instead of anecdotal BS.
Clearly you irked that the Greyhound code contribute as much to the TAB and NZ Racing as your beloved Harness !
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11 hours ago, john legend said:
Take your point JJ but today had no semblance of reality To see the win and place totals around 4 or 5000 level which could be trebled for fixed but allowing for huge deficit on Hot fav. winning the silver collar (tab showed some late bets of 10000 on fav.) It is at best irresponsible to justify the huge stakes. With the best intentions towards greyhounds they must have a serious look at what they are doing. I am aware the racing act makes the rules but the "cake" shrinks in total when there are small turnovers and huge losses in any of the 3 codes .It would be good if income and expenditure on todays meeting could be published.
What is your point ,and what you trying to prove here ?
Yesterdays races included a couple of Group 1's , with heats being held in both Islands to find the finalists.
I don't follow the dogs at all but I know the Duke of Edinburgh is considered one of the season's pinnacle races !
I also know that the dogs ,thru volume of races contribute well to the TAB's coffers and for some time have received far less of that contribution back ,especially when compared to Harness.
So your line of attack is baffling !
where stakes money goes
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Harness followers typically blame everyone else for their woes !
When I last checked Harness was the code that was receiving more than it actually deserved through betting numbers.
Harness turnover slumped some 30 % odd , in recent years ,while greyhound turnover was growing and they were being rewarded with more meetings as a result.
Of course the Doggies now under real pressure to continue ,which should help Harness but does it ?
This weeks Stakes are for a Group 1 night with $30k and $50k races so not your normal meeting or stakes.
Pre -covid times both Domestic turnover and GBR share was Gallops 54% , Harness 27%,Doggies 19%
But overseas betting was Gallops 65% ,Harness 12% , and Doggies 23%.....this explained by the huge number of races imported.
Meanwhile Code Funding was approx Gallops 54% , Harness 30 % and Doggies 16%.
A vagary here is that the doggies cost to operate the same as harness ,so harness got nearly 3 x for Stakes.
Over the last 10 years Harness races have decreased every year ...over 2740 domestic in 2013 , 2469 in 2019
The Doggies increased from 5288 in 2013 to 5836 in 2019......they 4933 last year so now on decline too and under threat of extinction..
But total Imported races went from 58141 in 2013 to over 80000 in recent years. Gallops and doggies well ahead here cf Harness.
So doggies not advantaged on Code Funding , but hey , don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Some say I work for TAB , but anyone can have a look at the published Reports online !