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    Huey reacted to nomates in More race meetings canned in the north.   
    The reason we end up in this situation with small fields or small number of races then leading onto cancelled meetings is because you can look at the calendar on August 1 of any given season and see which clubs are racing when right thru till July 31 the next year . So everything is set in concrete , instead of working with trainers to ensure stable returns are up to date so they know numbers in work in any given region . Have a system where trainers can inform them horses getting close to racing , getting a data base that provides them with numbers in any given class , distance range etc , then they could start programming for requirements . But it relies on everyone getting on board . I know of plenty of trainers doing urgent stable returns so they can nominate a horse when the horse has been in the stable for months . Just a suggestion .
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    Huey reacted to We're Doomed in More race meetings canned in the north.   
    No need to be too harsh Tas. It is good to see people are noticing and realising something needs to be done. Matamata Wednesday, Te Aroha today and Tauranga tomorrow was always going to cause problems. Pity the maidens balloted at Ashburton yesterday, that was their last Canterbury opportunity for the month. Pity the 2yos going to the trials in Canterbury, no opportunity for weeks for them.
    I don't have time to check programmes at the moment, but just seven races programmed for the next low key Wingatui meeting if I recall correctly, this after Gore had to run 10 races and ballot horses.
    Some of the abandoned northern meetings should be sent south. No meeting in Otago or Southland this week.
    It all comes down to incompetence at management level. They are totally out of their depth. None of the messara/racing act things will resolve the basic problems with dates structures and programming. Look at horses like Capodanno and Quintuple Twins having to race for $11,000 yesterday because they have no other opportunities. They are $25,000 Saturday horses.
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    Huey reacted to mikenz in More race meetings canned in the north.   
    I have followed racing for years and in all that time I ain't seen it as bad as it at present,even though the trots in south have good sized fields I notice stakes are  dropping.
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    Huey reacted to mikenz in More race meetings canned in the north.   
    Seems the real problems with lack of entries is really a north island problem,no Te Aroha today,six races at Matamata on Wednesday and only 5 races at Alexandra Park tonight,meanwhile South Island races seem to hold up well in both codes,maybe there are just too many meetings in the north ,maybe quality needs to replace quantity,the whole racing calander needs to be redone the country needs to be split into 4 regions,2 in the south and two in the north with a proper structured dates structure where at least once a fortnight you have a main meeting and on the other week a more low key meeting so every area has some balance with exceptions for feature meetings like carnivals etc and of course circuit meetings  like Westland,Gisborne the present setup of 5 or 6 races with 5 or 6 races aint a good look.Maybe if you get a better date structure then you can look at which tracks stay and which ones go,a lot of those little one or two day clubs are fine as long as the community want them,well that's  my thought on things,others may not agree.
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    Huey reacted to gubellini in Roger That   
    Antony Fuller is a very good trainer. He can really turn around jaded older horses with plenty of slow hill and beach work. Some horses sour going round and round a track every day! His previously best horse was the durable John Gray. Raced 113 times for 14 wins.
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    Huey reacted to bob dobalino in Roger That   
    Yep great to see the little guys getting some just reward
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    Huey reacted to Insider in Wellington RC Press release   
    Given that this thread is about Trentham they must have got the trusty old ice creams tubes method for measuring correct, because the track looked pretty good yesterday!
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    Huey got a reaction from Insider in Bernard's blog   
    It's not different at all, its being implied his trip to SA was a junket and potentially a waste of industry resources , no different to others in the industry taking the proverbial also...well I suppose it is different they never get called out .
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    Huey got a reaction from army in Loss Of Atlante   
    Last 7 starters 6 winners (1 a stakes winner) and one placed 2nd. Although deceased a stallion in form.
    Need a bit of time perhaps?
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    Huey got a reaction from Pam Robson in Bernard's blog   
    Why blame anyone? Other racing administrators are out there talking about cricket,playing golf and being jockeys agents.
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    Huey reacted to gubellini in Bernard's blog   
    I think the reason Bernard did not want to use skype instead of going to South Africa was that he didn’t fancy the 3 am start. Pity because then he might have been able to relate to the racing industry coal face workers who rise at that hour.
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    Huey reacted to poundforpound in Bernard's blog   
    There has been dozens of Asian Racing Conference trips, accompanied by false claims that certain bludgers presented papers at those conferences, then there’s all the Arc trips to Paris enjoyed by those who have their snouts in the trough ... all for what ??
    How are we one not better off these last 20 years ?? 
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    Huey reacted to gubellini in Only at Te Teko!   
    Great day at the Te Teko Trials yesterday. Track had been well watered and presented a great surface. First trial was delayed because a patron was stung by a wasp and had to be ferried to Whakatane Hospital. Luckily the club had two ambulances on course. A group of about 20 Canadians were on course and an enterprising club official organised the equivalent of the old time equalisator for them. Good to see a bit of opposition to the TAB! Another official located nine wasp nests in the public stand and fumigated them! A new on course experience for me!
    Hoofnote : The two horses I have shares in both won. All power to these small clubs like Te Teko!
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    Huey reacted to nomates in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    Sometimes , often probably , our horses were persevered with for the fun but to answer your question , iv'e had plenty sacked after 1/2/3 starts because clearly lacked any ability . But i have many that whilst i knew were no champions and would never make open class were honest horses that actually enjoyed racing and we kept racing because we along with partners enjoyed going to the races for the fun . I also trained many for ourselves and was fortunate enough to make some healthy sales which allowed us to enjoy our (my) passion and we enjoyed the early mornings and people we shared the sport with . So usually we continued to race the ones that didn't have huge ability and we knew the liability but you understand with these horses you need everything in your favor to get a result . But you get to a stage where you also know your helping provide a product and it would be nice to be recognized for this instead always having to dig into your pocket . So to answer you question , with these types of horses you know your going to the races and chances are you won't get a cheque , a bit of fun but nada $$$ wise , but if i had got say , full free racing , which we did for a while , and then a starters bonus which could offset some of the transport costs say , well suddenly instead of $1500 for a 10 race prep with a couple of placings you get another $400 for 6 of those starts giving you $2400 on top then you only have training costs to worry about , well suddenly your not feeling like your always shelling out . Ok i know no one is holding a gun to my head but i know a lot of people who race horses feel the same and i know of a lot of horses over the years which would have been put back into work if what i am suggesting had been in place , also a lot of those owners have been lost to the industry . Paying starters bonus's is in place all major racing jurisdictions around the world why not here . Overall this would not be a huge cost to the industry but the returns in terms of starter numbers therefore betting turnover , they reckon each starter is worth 13k in turnover , and retaining owners  would make a worthwhile strategy . But as some would say what do i know .
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    Huey reacted to Trump in Bernard's blog   
    My question would be, “WTF is he doing at a Conference in South Africa?”. What possible change could be made, eminating from a conference on South Africa? FFS, “All” trips, overseas junkets, swapsies etc should be abandoned/banned, until such time as the NZ Racing Industry gets the home scene sorted out. Unbelievable.
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    Huey reacted to nomates in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    As an example for the above , i follow particular horses that are from families i have had . So this horse is a 3yo started out with Kris Lees , transferred after a couple of starts to the country . This horse had first start  in Sept , has since then had 8 starts  running one 2nd and one 3rd one 4th earning 2.5k for those to placings . Other 5 starts consisted of 9th , 6th , 8th , 7th , 8th , earning another 2.5k . Now obviously no champion , Mr Lees worked that out quickly , but 2.5k for those 5 starts certainly makes you feel better about the game , i know i would and the horse would get another prep as i would know i'm a chance of winning a race but i'm also going to get something back just for turning up . Everyone's a winner .
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    Huey reacted to Patiti in Bernard's blog   
    Just back from a conference in South Africa where he has learnt that comingling is a way forward.
    NZ has been leading the way with this for years.
    Reads like its all news to him.
    5G ???
    One reason the TAB moved to the new platform so they will be able to adapt quickly to this.
    All news to him??
    One wonders how he would manage and at what cost the future environment he proposes without the NZ Tab.
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    Huey reacted to nomates in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    I'm sure there are enough smart minds within racing to sort it out , and i don't mean the suits of the industry . There are plenty of knowledgeable people within racing to come up with a workable solution . The Australian system seems to work where horses can move between country/provincial and provincial/city racing . Saying that i think there was an issue a few years back with country horses not going to the city regarding the way horses were rated , maybe not , or maybe it was sorted . Has to be sorted , putting it in the too hard basket isn't an option anymore .
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    Huey reacted to Pam Robson in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    Yes, agree.
    But then to weight appropriately we would have to have handicapping and ratings adjustments to reflect the different status of the race.....which matter has been addressed before by some very well informed observers. 
    Too hard basket, apparently. 
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    Huey reacted to nomates in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    IMO any increase in stakes has to incorporate a rebate for unplaced runners . This will keep more lesser horses in work if the owners feel their getting something out of the game instead of always digging in their pockets . Every horse that races is a value to NZ racing no matter their level . Works great in Aus , and whilst we're not Aus a lot of their smallest meetings pay back past 5th . I know some of mine might have been kept going longer if i was getting some incentive to keep them in work .
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    Huey reacted to scooby3051 in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    No not at all...I am an owner and I dont want any of the stakes lowered only increased so I wanted to see where they were coming from.Its been to easy for too long for people with no vested interest in racing to make the so called good decisions.
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    Huey reacted to We're Doomed in Alternative Stakes Structure   
    I have just suggested elsewhere that we tend to use our stakes money inefficiently, with small fields going around for decent stakes and, often, quite good fields going around for poor stakes.
    I thought I would show how simple it would be to restructure things slightly and give much fairer stakes all round at no extra cost to the industry. I don't necessarily agree with the whole tiered concept, and I certainly don't agree with the ratings bands used, but to keep it simple I will stick with them. I would treat industry meetings and the typical Saturday meetings as follows.
                                                      Industry             Saturday
    Md                                            $10,000             $12,000
    65                                             $12,000             $20,000
    72                                             $14,000             $24,000
    82                                             $16,000             $28,000
    Opn                                          $18,000             $32,000
    I have made the open class races $32,000 as that means the winner still gets $20,000, which is only about $1,800 less than current. No one would even notice. Why 65s were ever listed at $22,500 is beyond me, everyone would have been happy with $20,000.
    Currently we often have the same horses racing for $30,000 one week and $10,000 the next week, so why not accept that and rationalise the structure.
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    Huey reacted to Pam Robson in Do we need a 2 Tier System of Thoroughbred Racing   
    That just illustrates the anomalies that keep coming up with the flawed application of the ratings system;  it can work well overseas but our interpretation is wrong.
    Don't be too critical of trainers,  WD , many feel that their horses are unsuited - for whatever reason - to the prevailing conditions/class/distance on's not just a matter of going ' yippee, a meeting right here,  let's line up the lot' ...
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    Huey reacted to We're Doomed in Do we need a 2 Tier System of Thoroughbred Racing   
    It has just occurred to me that the highest rated horse in that $12,000 race at Riccarton rates higher than anything in the Auckland Cup, except the Pakenham Cup winner. In fact, win on thursday and that top rater will rate higher than the NZ Cup and Wgtn Cup winners.  Could we have the slightly unusual situation where a $12,000 race is promoted to group status the following year. I can't imagine that has happened before.  Stranger things have happened I suppose.
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    Huey reacted to We're Doomed in Do we need a 2 Tier System of Thoroughbred Racing   
    What an absolute disgrace at Riccarton this week. Nine noms for a $12,000 open 1,400m; six rated 85 and above, the top rated horse 92. For $12,000!! The industry and Riccarton should be ashamed of themselves. The Nathans last week managed two over 80 and a top rating of 83. Most CD meetings send $30,000 and $35,000 races around with 6 or 7 runners.
    The stakes allocation is just totally wrong.
    At the same time you must question some trainers. In recent weeks Riccarton has struggled to get six starters in some $35,000 races.
    What a strange old industry we run. I'm not sure how Rita and Winston plan to fix any of these obvious problems. These sorts of things will still be managed by NZTR; if "managed" is the right word.