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8 hours ago, JJ Flash said:
Thats more of an issue than you think and is the crux of the slow demise of racing
I have absolutely nothing to do with NZTAB. never had and never will.
I just see things for what they are. You and i both agree that costs had to be cut but which cuts is where we differ. You see Trackside Radio as an earner and i see it as a cost. If and when TAB results come out if nett income is higher might you agree that TRs demise has not been negative factor?
Not on the Radio side of things, I think its been a big mistake, I would have expected things to have been better with it. I'm still puzzled as to how it came about, though I gather its pretty obvious.
If net income is up year on year I'll take my hat off to them regardless of the radio.
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21 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:
MikeNz for example misses it when on his tractor or other contracting machines but has also said he does not bet much either.
That statement alone shows you have little understanding of the customers that punt with the TAB, for someone who is so close to the core of the TAB that worries me!
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19 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:
Let me put it another way- if the codes thought it was such a good idea and revenue positive they would now be producing/paying for it .
The fact they are not suggests they are either, not interested or it fails on CB basis. Trade offs are always a touchy subject but you cant have your cake and eat it to. Restoring the balance sheet would be my priority not Radio Trackside with its 3-4 mio cost. others may see it differently which is entirely their prerogative.
MikeNz for example misses it when on his tractor or other contracting machines but has also said he does not bet much either.
Either that or they more likely don't have the expertise or funding to be producing it, its a real cop out by TAB the radio situation.
Besides that the codes are struggling to operate their own sports properly let alone broadcasting radio.
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25 minutes ago, tasman man said:
Where are you Mike , and who you talking to ?
Everyone ,well almost everyone I know and speak to is at the beach or on the water somewhere and NOT interested in sitting indoors watching cricket on TV.
It's that time of year !
The keenest folk I know re Cricket use their phones to keep an eye on the Test.....some have Spark sport others just use updates on phone.
Those close to Christchurch can attend live if they wish ditto Tauranga before that.
Do you have any facts supported by a few numbers or do you prefer 'mother - in -law research' ?
Are you heading to Cromwell trots today and how is the weather up there ?
Anything good happening in your neck of the woods .....which is where , again ?
I have to agree with him, I've been following cricket for years, but its now in the too hard basket and am not particularly interested in it because its yet another platform I've got to subscribe to so I can watch sport.
Same goes with racing , since the radio has gone my spend would be a 5th of what it has been previously, no doubt its having an impact, but thats being negated by the Covid bounce if you like.
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3 hours ago, JJ Flash said:
On the one hand everyone wanted costs cut as the debt load/balance sheet was so bad they needed a bailout. Yet, when they did take the knife people want to moan about it . Trackside radio was a nicety that was not revenue enhancing just as Box Seat etc were. Subsequently, the codes have been given free rein to market their product out of distributions. Nothing stopping them except that means potential reductions in stakes. So you see the trade offs.
In answer to your second question. This would spin it for me as you put it
{ 1} Enhanced operational performance resulting in higher distributions to Racing NZ = higher stakes if the codes have their own house in order
{2} Improvement in TAB Balance sheet, Seeing then retain some profits to reduce debt
Ok fair enough.
You and I will not see eye to eye on the radio issue , but I still think thats a huge mistake that makes little sense.
On your other note , we can expect to see stakes increased drastically in the near future? But under the proviso the codes have their houses in order? That's where you lose me, don't know about the other codes but I don't think the thoroughbred code is in any sort of order.
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2 hours ago, JJ Flash said:
Or you could read my posts and actually accept that you don't need to be negative about everything racing. Your no hope to run NZTAB and realistically some may think - thank god
Taking the piss out of your type is becoming too easy as you wont accept theirs a new Board /Act and a structure to get out of debt whilst improving code distributions.. Sadly i'm not sure you can take that on board.
As for Tasman's post, whom i have had no contact with ,ill have to side with him. He summed you up perfectly and has cred in my book, something you have yet to display on here re Performance of current NZTAB
Let's certainly hope youre right about the TAB performance, because with the loss of the radio etc etc etc I haven't heard too many wonderful things about it of late.
But in all seriousness where exactly are we getting excited about the performance of the TAB, what parts should we be looking out for that will drastically alter the future of racing in this country? We all know about the cost cutting , that was a no brainer and I accept the current board inherited a mess , so what is it apart from the Covid bounce that is spinning your black circle?
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Racing Act more like Robbery Act!
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20 minutes ago, puha said:
The TAB don’t help themselves at times . New Year’s Day at Hastings their was a very healthy crowd considering it was a 6 race card . Like many I expected the TAB and big screen to stay operational so we could carry on betting and watching the Ellerslie races unfold . But no the TAB couldn’t close everything down fast enough which also included the bar staff . You had a captive audience on track and they were treated like crap . Another missed opportunity and many left pissed off .
Wouldn't that have more to do with the club than the TAB?
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On 1/2/2021 at 6:20 PM, jeepers said:
I see Katie is back riding in races. Great to see her back as she was a top jock and is a very experienced horsewoman All the best Katie I hope 2021 treats you well.
Good rider, one that gets off a horse and gives you good feedback imo and sorely needed in the CD.
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16 hours ago, JJ Flash said:
You post a lot of rubbish both here and elsewhere but this just about the best for some time.
It is an odd question as didn't the TAB distribute 159 mio to the codes last season
The current Labour mob won't sell anything in case you have lived in a cave for last 9 decades
Half yearly NZTAB results will be out at some point in Feb. I'm picking a good result that is well in advance of budget If true you and the other naysayers will have a lot of egg on.your face.
C'mon JJ, they have only done what the industry has been screaming at them to do for years (hats off for at least doing that) namely cutting costs.
They have benefited greatly from the Covid situation in most aspects of the business.
If they can't make that work we are really stuffed. Comparing the next year (Betting) after this one will be the make the more interesting comparison imo
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On 1/3/2021 at 2:12 AM, MrBigStuff said:
Agree...who are you Mikenz?
Always bitching and moaning.
ARC is the best club in the country...boxing day and cup day have been terrific.
great atmosphere, racing, crowds, track! I was in the hospitality area and the service was second to none and I’ve been to some of the biggest meetings in the world...and it’s world class! Paul Wilcox has done a terrific job there with his team.
It has the best facilities of anywhere in the country!lets put in that strathayr track and race there every week or on a more regular basis than we do, particularly in the winter months!
I'm always amazed how people seem stunned that a club with the best dates, best infrastructure, biggest population in the country & biggest races are able to get crowd support to their race days over the summer period. Is it because their other race days are so poorly patronised?
Racing over this period is popular no matter where it is held, there is no secret formula to it. Couple this with the Covid environment and you have to be doing a very poor job to screw it up, hey even Rugby got the crowds back!
Is there an argument to say that ARC underperform compared to other venues given the support they get from the industry etc?
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9 hours ago, gary1 said:
are you saying saundrys doing ok
he got Mates at the races gary
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14 hours ago, mikenz said:
So just looking at Tauranga and Hastings dump those meetings,shift Wairarapa to Jan 1,shift Taranaki back to one day,leave Thames as they are,simple.and by getting riddof Tauranga it will probably increase numbers for Taupo,a popular holiday spot,Tauranga and Hastings run a lot of good meetings,reducing them by one won't hurt them at all,they have other days to shine in the sun
A lot of what you say will happen generically the way the industry is being operated, at any rate.
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1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:
They certainly split fields at the drop of a hat in the North. In the South they do their best to ensure as few races as possible with ugly programming. Must be terrible to own a 2yo or 3yo in the South. In most racing jurisdictions they celebrate age group racing, especially in these days of big syndicates, but not in the South.
Interesting the Tapanui Cup is back to $25,000 this year. It has been $40,000 with club input for the last two years, but they have obviously decided "why bother", and who can blame them.
Well when youre dealing with the current lot running racing why would you bother. Good on them if they have.
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22 hours ago, We're Doomed said:
It would probably be interesting to compare those figures with the two northern meetings on Saturday. A bit of a milestone slipped by without anyone noticing on Saturday. The lowest winning stake in the Waikato Cup since 1985.
It was difficult enough to know it was the Waikato Cup let alone look at the Stakes.
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On 12/10/2020 at 10:05 PM, meomy said:
When is the TAB going to reopen in Newmarket, one of the busiest shopping centres in Auckland?
There's absolutely no where in Newmarket or Remuera in Auckland, where old money still is, that sells RaceForm either.
Why Not?
We used to be able to buy Racing Guides at Countdown, BP, Whitcoulls and the Local TAB.
It's no surprises that the New Zealand Racing industry is in disarray when people can't access there services.
Those who are behind RaceForm should be ensuring it's available at all those venues and that TAB reopen as they are a fundamental part of our Society.
Goo way to tell , have a look in the window, any gear still in there? If not it won't be back.
The sport is in massive decline , only getting worse despite what the soothsayers are telling you, enjoy it while you can.
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8 minutes ago, Phillipe said:
Who cares who is the spy is..
At least he made a post about an industry innovation that otherwise I wouldn’t know that it was operative!!
If it is good or bad, how about telling us more about it and what’s next - trials?? Races when?
Given the cost and industry money, you should be shouting about it from the roof tops..
Pretty sure they have been doing just that for over a year now.
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9 hours ago, Disillusioned said:
One of my pet hates with Tommy, back in the day, that he would invariably line up four or more nags in any given big race, take all the credit for whichever one chanced to come home at the head of the field ... and quietly forget to mention the three or more than finished out of the money.
The O'Briens are 'famed' for similar tactics these days...
You just described some Big Stables in NZ.
Fools like Blossom are so ignorant they look at Strike rates etc & think the game is a level playing field , when in reality they have no idea!
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20 hours ago, Tapu said:
I think Mr Robertson should first, get himself a TAB account (he went to local to put a bet on Melbourne cup) then go to an auction or Gavelhouse and purchase himself a horse (no helpers or advisors) and start from scratch. Make it a filly so he can have the highs & lows of breeding his own.
What you want him to know how mad the people in the sport are ?
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Whats Opie's Chance
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I would not bet against it.