Huey
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I don't follow the tips, but in fairness NZracing on a wet track pretty tough work for anyone .
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19 hours ago, mikenz said:
While we put the All Blacks and league players as tough/hard or whatever we must acknowledge just how jockeys probably beat the lot for courage putting themselves at risk day after day,week after week,I personally reckon a lot want gold medals for their efforts that in many cases aren't acknowledge by the general population.
Absolutely agree, add to that trackwork riders, breakers amazing people the lot of them!
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3 hours ago, We're Doomed said:
Certainly interesting. Almost 70 scratchings on a firm track and not a single ballot missed a start. In the SI it is rare for a ballot to get a start. Just look how many balloted and eliminated horses miss a start at Timaru this week. Timaru had enough horses to run 14 races but probably be lucky if they run 11. Rather bizarre that they have added an extra meeting at Otaki next week because of the number of noms for Woodville, and yet they are only running 8 races at Woodville. Hardly a capacity field at HB last week either.
When anyone mentions that it is hard to follow form in the SI just remember that they have much bigger fields and horses have to start whenever they get an opportunity. There is no better option a few days later where they are guaranteed a start. It all comes down to poor management really, and absolutely no sign that it has improved since lockdown.
Maybe Woodville only has 8 races cause apparently there weren't enough Tie ups to go around at the last meeting, i.e. perhaps they are learning something.
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19 minutes ago, mikenz said:
Once I commented that for some strange reason the galloping guys seem to scratch a lot of the time and got one or two comments that slagged me off,but the harness guys just turn up if you get a bad draw or whatever,its just part of it,it seems the gallops trainers in the south just race despite the conditions,maybe that's because they dont race as much,so just get on with it.
Is there as much pressure on the legs of a Harness horses compared to gallopers? Harness breed a lot tougher & sturdier as well aren't they, gallopers breed for speed etc
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49 minutes ago, Crow said:
Who said you did read again to try and understand I said no bias there but 5 leaders won and 3 from handy position so if you weren't handy you weren't in the hunt. Obviously all races are tempo related
Fair enough, right you are.
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3 hours ago, Leggy said:
This place? Still going isn't it?
Haha, maybe it was xmas at the races something like that.
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3 hours ago, slam dunk said:
Something very odd going on here. Any commercial enterprise first criteria for board membership is industry experience,
This application downgrades industry knowledge or experience to "desirable".
Could someone disclose James Dunne's industry credentials. Being son of an MP member of the Wellington swamp hardly encouraging.
Lets hope the "creative" thinking criteria extends to shifting NZTR to Auckland.
Wasn't James part of the now defunct Attheraces setup?
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3 hours ago, Mattski said:
Why did the rail need to be out 9m on a good 3 surface? What are we protecting the inside for?
I believe its being saved for MC day racing.
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3 hours ago, Crow said:
No bias there 5 winners led 3 others handy and one from behind. What was the most predominate factor?
Did I say anything about bias?
Despite that youre living in a fantasy world if you don't think the rail out that much has an impact on a horses chances. possibly why so many scratched from the maiden.
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4 hours ago, shaneMcAlister said:
Rail out 9 metres too, this impacts decisions
That doesn't matter , didn't you listen to the Stipe there this morning, he said the rail has no impact and they can win from anywhere. ;0
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40 minutes ago, shaneMcAlister said:
I stand corrected. Here is information from NZTR
From Saturday (Hastings/Ruakaka onwards), clubs have the option of hosting owners under COVID Level 2. This option can be taken by a club, provided that it has prepared an operating plan for safely hosting owners or other attendees in groups of up to 100, and that plan has been submitted to NZTR and signed off. The protocol was updated on 7 September to enable this regime (https://loveracing.nz/OnHorseFiles/Downloads/NZTR%20Directive%20COVID-19%20Alert%20Level-2%20(Update%207%20September%202020).pdf).
Owners who have horses entered in such meetings will be advised, and would need to RSVP with the club concerned.
Good work by them well done.
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4 hours ago, We're Doomed said:
You people don't seem to realise this has been happening in the SI for years. The reason people think SI form is so inconsistent is because horses are hardly ever racing over the distance they prefer, in the class they prefer and after the ideal gap they prefer. And it is why the same horses race for $30,000 one week and $10,000 the next week. They just have to take a start whenever they can.
As I understand it, it is considered much more efficient for the industry to hold fewer meetings regardless of horse numbers. Somehow that generates more profit (loses less money). Apparently it will all come right when we have all weather tracks.
There will be some incredibly bright young chap at NZTR who has worked all of this out. He won't have ever actually been to a race meeting and has no interest in horses, but he is really good at computers and has worked out that this is by far the best way for the industry to proceed.
Actual horses and owners are quite incidental to the operation of the industry and everything would go much smoother without either of them.
Only banging my head on the wall here, but I've never understood why NZ racing doesn't cut its cloth to fit. i.e match the stakes to the races required to get the game going properly. So if that means 7k maidens so be it until it can justify increasing the stakemoney, at the moment we race for an unsustainable amount because certain persons moan about it but then we all end up moaning about the Calendar , programming and handicapping of which none of it will come right if you can find the right balance with stake money etc.
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8 minutes ago, army said:
Exactley we raced 19th August and are still waiting as we were last on ballot fir this weekend. And when those races come around the ones that are racing this weekend which at both meetings is 30 will be ready to race again and it will be same old they wont split the race they will just say wait again. We had it all the way through with having to nominate in the ooen races. Would love to know who is on the planning committee I believe some trainers are
Ring Tim Barton he looks after the Programming guide he should be able to to tell you. 027 472 9372
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3 hours ago, mikenz said:
Is it solely the TAB though,no betting site likes winners.
No , youre right some of the sites are similar.
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39 minutes ago, mikenz said:
Which is?
Nukkles explained it perfectly.
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18 minutes ago, Bimbo said:
Would be more like incompetence if they didn't restrict a genuine winning punter.
Not the way the NZ TAB does it.
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4 hours ago, mikenz said:
So why restrict the winning ones?
Most time in gambling the house wins,big winners mostly become big losers,some defy the odds.
Incompetence?
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10 minutes ago, Trump said:
Bargain priced horses are always the best. Another example - Rothfire, fave for the big Sydney races. Cost $10k but the Nigerians scammed the first $10k so Heathcote paid twice. Still $20k. Takeover Target, Black Caviar, the list goes on. Back to the topic - it’s the Punter. That’s where “all” the $ comes from. Without the punter there is no racing and that’s why NZ racing is bad - it’s a closed shop. It will never work because there are not enough big punters in NZ.
Agree, big fan of the punters , look after the punters and the sport looks after itself.
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Some brilliant comments in the Run to the Rose this week
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Won in Open company at Canberra. Should find this a bit easier. Commands respect
Ah it won the Slipper.
Kings Legacy
Prepared with 4th 1050m R'wick trial Good(4) Aug 25. One for exotics
It won the Sires and the Champagne
Rothfire
Solid performer. Strikes form quickly. Down in class. Major player.
Down in class its up against the Slipper,Sires & Champagne winner
Surely its a computer generated comment???
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2 hours ago, weasel57 said:
big win, indeed ...but midweek on a wet track at Matamata isn't enough for me to get too carried away. Plenty have done that before and gone on to ...not much. If CB wins effortlessly at, say, Ellerslie, on a Saturday in October, I may have to change my mind!
Hard to please, impressive win alright and check out the family.
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14 hours ago, tasman man 11 said:
Huey , you seem a very negative person ,and how you enjoy dissecting my posts looking for a wrong word ,an error.
This is a forum ...I write my own opinion based on my own experiences and participation.
The restricted comment was into the referral to the Karaka races as restricted , cos they are ....only horses who pay a fee at the Sales can enter...ie the are restricted.I replied .
AS to generating revenue....you think about it.....The races are linked to the sales which attracts International visitors and investors ,often an Aussie horse and/or jockey or two.Better than normal publicity , good attendance and punting , and attracts many 'new' and 'younger' folk on the day and is one of BGP 's big day. It is a great day ,again IMO.
Does it generate revenue.......you work that out.
I'm sure your tag -team will join in.....the ones who want Timaru developed as a state of art racing centre.....and no need to touch the track !History shows it can get wet / heavy there like most of NZ !
I know a little bit about the South Island and its racing........I have probably lived in the South Island for longer than you and your tag-team mates who will need to come to your assistance.
Don't bother reading my posts......ignore them ,thanks !
As for the owners who missed a start at Timaru ,I feel for them cause happened to me many ,many times especially with Maidens and R65. You need to get some form and move up the rankings to avoid the ballot. Its happened for years and I know the feeling.
I also know that NZ owners are very resilient , take abysmal returns ,increasing costs etc There are a lot of slow horses about too.
I also know that we are in unique times......when covid resulted in racing closing and most horses turned out , many horses were ultimately rushed back into winter work cos of the uncertainty of insolvent TAB etc and there has been a glut of horses as a result.
Even Ellerslie ,which has some Jumping races this weekend seems to have twice the normal noms. Extra races will need to be added I guess.Again owners will be disappointed .
In closing Huey , dont cry ...try to create.
Look at what you can do to help racing and your part in it......constant negativity won't cut it ,this is a social media forum where any thing goes ......keyboard warriors in padded cells !
If you and your followers have the answers ,join a club and get on the inside and work your magic !
Unfortunately Tasman man what you deem to be negative thoughts are actually constructive thoughts by posters that really really care about this industry and the direction in which is heading.
Many have sat back and listened to the inane thoughts/strategies of industry leadership and folks like yourself for years that have gotten the industry to where it is today i.e. to the brink, so while you waffle on about racings fluffy clouds and fantasy land (btw youre welcome to those thoughts , I'm always interested in differing opinions ) leave the real thoughts to those that have been there are done that, those at the coal face that see whats going on everyday.
Please don't try to muzzle people by neutering their right to reply and just makes you look silly.
As for the Karaka Million , no one is questioning its popularity or its effectiveness as part of the racing calendar but rightly so questions abound as to its subsidisation by the industry, I stand by my assertion that I don't think the race day would be that different if the stakes were halved, the hype , promo , marketing,venue and place in the calendar would be the same, the BGP boys would still turn up as would the celebrities you so admire.
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1 hour ago, We're Doomed said:
There were at least 45 horses balloted and eliminated at Timaru last week. That's a lot of pissed off owners. All they wanted to do was race for $10,000. None of them had aspirations to race for $1m; not with last week's horses anyhow. We do need to get the balance right.
I even wonder whether the 2,000 Guineas needed to retain its $500,000 stake this year. I think it would have attracted the same field for $400,000. It is the Group 1 status the connections are most interested in. It is only a few months ago that the industry couldn't afford to hold either of the Guineas races in the SI, now everything is all go again and things seem to be booming and stakes are back to last years levels. I just hope they can stay there.
I can't see any attempt at all to rationalise stakes. With open entry races a lot of horses are racing for $30,000 that would previously have raced for $22,500. I do wonder whether Wingatui really needed three $30,000 races last weekend and whether the meeting was self funding. If things are going as well as they appear to be hopefully we will stop seeing horses regularly being eliminated in the SI.
The industry would have been better shaving some of the stakes off races to fund trackside Radio in some form until/if it got up and going again , an absolutely integral part of the industry currently dead in the water!
Debbie Harris - New Plymouth
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No meetings on Labour day in NI or other holidays because of the cost of staff possibly, no thought of offering meetings to some of the smaller clubs that would make something of them and actually promote the sport in a digestible manner.
Most clubs have sold their souls to the booze up crowd at the expense of rewarding race horse owners with a good race day experience, most meetings you go to youre lucky to see your horse come up the straight , let alone parading because the club have sold a section to a sponsor or a party or built/put a structure in the way, but this is all important to the clubs making a living and promoting the sport -what a farce!
Facilities and infrastructure for the horse/participants are an absolute joke at 90% of the race tracks around the country, in fact they are an after thought ! - but isn't the horse the reason we are supposed to be there in the first place?
Why would anyone bother going to the races now , the experience is absolutely vanilla and youre liable to run into a crowd of yobbos the racing club have given the best sit in the house to cause they are spending money over the bar.
Don't get me started on the amateur hour prevailing at nearly every racing club in the country, surely NZTR could make sure that side of things actually worked?
The entire sport needs a complete rethink and new faces .