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Huey

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  1. 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said:

    So nothing changes with you and your love affair with NZ TAB - best you F off and continue moaning  with Brodie at your fav channel. Bob  can join in as well or  you could try, just once and a while to make a constructive post on here.

    Pull ya head in!

    I don't need brainwashed sheep like you telling me what I can and cannot say.

    Lets not forget you're that brainwashed you think getting rid of trackside radio was a good thing, youre that brainwashed you could work for the government!

  2. 5 hours ago, mikenz said:

    I know a simple solution if trackside is getting boring,turn it off,simple,I have only a certain limit of how much I can take,I enjoy watching a few but wall to wall does my head in after a while.

    Agree I have, as someone said is just got so bats**t boring!

  3. 5 hours ago, Baz (NZ) said:

    To me it shows the huge gap from officials running racing in Australia and the Muppet show being run here in NZ.😡

    Professionals vs Amateurs! 🙈

    I see the professionals have multiple presenters on course at most meetings....obviously our overpaid salary suits know better here in NZ! 🤬

     

    Just think we mostly get sent their officialdom that they didn't want ... nuff said.

  4. On 5/24/2021 at 8:02 PM, puha said:

    Refer to reply to Ted

    Perhaps you could contact the racing club in question and ask them why their jumpout results aren't submitted to NZTR or better still try NZTR instead , let me know how you get on I'd be most intrigued to hear their reply.

  5. 2 hours ago, puha said:

    Paying down to last is pretty much a copy  of our current governments Mantra 

    Rubbish!

    Its an acknowledgement of the poor owner who pays $500 float fees once twice or a more a month, $200 to the farrier etc etc etc. But you'd have that poor owner fork out another $200 for the ride you couldn't even give them that and I'm guessing in your world everyone should be paying for noms and acceptances as well just to put the show on.

    The fact is you refuse to acknowledge the real issue in NZracing which is prizemoney levels all together, whether you add in your $200 starters fee to the top 5 in prizemoney or if the winner alone was racing for the entire $10k the prizemoney levels are still far from adequate but you choose to focus on a measly amount of prizemoney being paid to participants instead. 

    I notice at Caulfield this Saturday they pay down to 10th are you telling me they have got that wrong and it should be all propping up the top 5? No you won't because their prizemoney levels are more than adequate thats why you wouldn't question that. 

    The function of the starters payment is indeed a very good thing, perhaps the distribution and the process around it needs to be looked at (especially on feature days) .

     

  6. 18 hours ago, puha said:

    See it opened at $2.80 and closed under $2.00 . Wins well lots of talk about the horse but you look up it’s form and you can’t find any results at either trials or jump outs ? Jumpout results are meant to be recorded and published these days aren’t they?

     

    A first starter that jumps at $2 and you need the jumpout form to get a line on it ??

  7. 17 hours ago, Nerula said:

    Thats interesting TN. There is wide unhappiness about paying down to 14th. I hope this move is a result of that.

    NZTR said the stakes for next season would be out in May. Lets hope they have built a reserve of funds and the 10k races are a thing of the past

    Thats odd I've only heard push back from the usual crowd in racing, most participants seem to like it.

    The actual starters fee itself is one of the better ideas in racing. Complaining about a whole $400-800 in prizemoney (before deductions & yes I realise about Saturday racing figs) leaves me with little wonder why racing is in the state it is in NZ.

  8. 3 hours ago, We're Doomed said:

    I think you need to delve into that a little further Tauhei. The way it appears to work is that in a 10 horse field the winner gets $6,200. In a 12 horse field the winner gets $5,800. In a 14 horse field the winner gets $5,400. In a 16 horse field the winner gets $5,400 and the last two horses get nothing. And that is based on starting limits. If scratchings reduce the field who knows what happens. But even that is not consistent. I see at HB this week the winner in a 10 horse field gets $5,400.

    Mick and Mouse are the two words that come to mind. I would love you to explain the logic behind all that to me.

    My own interpretation is that they haven't got the faintest idea what is going on.

    I did love your quote "I think that NZTR have learnt a lesson". Pigs and flying are the two words that come to mind there.

    I think it may be based around the "vibe" at the time.

    Agree and these are the people running racing in NZ in which we are supposed to have faith , they make it up as they go along , like most things.

  9. 1 hour ago, tasman man said:

    Well put Nerula.....no need to apologise to the naysayers who are probing for threads of negativity to hang on to.

    As you rightly point out those who don't know the issues do not advance the discussion.....the various Boards have a thorough understanding of what needed to progress the amalgamation which should assist both clubs ,the region and racing overall.Its well researched ,but still some crucial bridges to cross ...IMO

    Firstly ,both clubs members need to agree . The land sales need to be advanced and settled . NZ Racing will need to agree and sort out the racing calendar while work being completed .

    Once sales complete the 'nest egg' will need to go to work ensuring the annual income can finance the infrastructure plans plus the proposed stakes increases.

    As well as protecting capital , leases and rentals will all need to be established.

    Return on investment funds can be volatile ,especially at these uncertain times but current and historical trends are good guide .....

    These will be crucial to sustain stake targets.

    And of course NZ Racing will need to support the discussed extra meetings to be held in the region.

    IMO a very positive move to future proof NZ racing......only folk who should be worried ,possibly the odd club who may lose a race date or two but things were probably heading that way anyway.

    I think the collaboration is a crucial element. The individual clubs could do their own thing with far greater risks involved and less chance of success. !

    NZ Racing can't sustain itself by relying on TAB betting and distributions. This new business being created can support it and run and improve Racing at the same time.

     

    But won't this venture eventually have to rely on betting turnover in some format or another? I mean not just the Nest Egg??

    What do Counties get out of all of this? They lose their race licenses, identity etc but as nerula has said save millions in operational costs?

    BTW I'm all for a Strath track , we should have had one before the AWT imho

  10. 16 minutes ago, chevy86 said:

     

     

    Lost me here Huey. Are you suggesting ARC needs something from Counties to "allow" them to sell/lease the valuable real estate of the Hill. While in favour of the merger to bring consolidation/focus of purpose/increase in membership or whatever other spruiking terms are employed I think the ARC amalgamation invitation to Counties is based more on benevolence than financial gain. The last thing the industry needs is struggling Clubs being "picked off" and liquidated by the bureaucracy, which is even more likely with this Labour/Greens crowd.

    I see what youre saying. They aren't selling up Counties as part of the Merger? Just the ARC land? Is that the plan? 

  11. 13 hours ago, Disillusioned said:

     

    I dunno how 'young' you are, Tasman Man, but I am decidedly sceptical when it comes to bold new plans that even you, a big fan, can't summarise without some very telling, and largely meaningless, phraseology:

    ·         'Hope on the horizon'

    ·         'Some water to flow under the bridge'

    ·         'Too early ... to state'

    ·         'It was indicated'

    ·         'Assume'

    ·         'Envisage'

    ·         At least three 'will be' references

    Pointing that out might, in your eyes, make me a 'disillusionary' or a 'negaholic' but if I am asked to vote on something I likes me to have a bit more certainty...

    Loved the bit about 'the excellent well rounded ARC Board' and 'real estate and financial professionals', too. Such folk, of course, never err, and never ever fail to deliver on their promises. Yeah, right.

    You are correct in saying doing nothing is not an option but what you have summarised would cause me to run to the hills.

    Curious, too, that the 'simple, easy to follow presentation' left some in here uncertain as to what was being talked about increase-wise - average stakes or minimum stakes.

    Do you have a link to a list of every race run at Ellerslie - you say it is 'publicly available' - so that I can Excel-analyse same?

     

     

     

     

    An excellent post!

    As I'm sure youre also aware if you don't agree with the agenda in racing youre also termed a "naysayer" etc

    Whilst I'm no where near as bright, young and enthusiastic as the likes of Tasman Man and did not get to see the new whizz bang presentation that would wow us naysayers, I still fail to understand how this all works.

    The merger creates a sale that gives the ARC the funds to build a Strathyr track and then the ARC or amalgamated clubs (new name??) out of the kindness of their hearts are going to use reserve funds to put stakes up considerably (on ave. $100k races) and then this new track and new races are going to create a sustainable product of which this new club can sustain or even improve these stakes on into the future? (How much would betting on this product have to improve for this to happen?)

    So this is assuming that the Strahyr track changes everything i.e. the new product on show at this new club substantially increases betting turnover ? How does that work did the presentation say? The NZ product at this venue overnight becomes a must for punters everywhere? 

    The ARC already has the biggest races, best dates and large input from the industry and they still cannot make it work financially at present, but by installing a new track that changes everything? 

    What I can see is the creation of a very deep black hole that the rest of the industry will end up paying for(look to the new Racing Act for financing options), but surely that is not the case as my perceptions of sustainability are obviously well off the mark?

  12. On 5/3/2021 at 2:00 PM, Red Rum said:

    If they wanted to support the bottom end could be that it's Auction type race , horses brought below a certain price,  or sire average sale price . That's what they do overseas . Horse like Shared Ambition won a few auction races . Just gives a chance for smaller connections to miss the heavyweights unless they buy a cheaper one too .

    If they wanted to support the bottom end they'd have supported country racing full stop, they haven't and they wont.

    I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see them copy this idea and claim it as their own, they did it with Karaka Millions etc etc etc 

  13. 20 hours ago, Red Rum said:

    My gut feeling WD is they don't want crowds , especially midweek . According to head of trainers association UK some courses happier not paying for workers to service meagre crowds midweek at lower tracks and quite happy with pay outs from  off course and media.  I suspect no crowd racing on a Wednesday is fine by Riccarton sadly .

     

    They dont know what they want and they dont know how to get it!

    It wasnt long ago that many of the smaller provincial club facilities werent good enough(excuse) to race at, especially for owners but now you can race without them all together, its a farce there is no plan ,no strategy,no leadership or direction,no communication(cause there is no plan) they just make it up as they go along ,with a little bit of input from the chosen few in the industry and thats why it'll likely end up like eveything else in the nz industry, only this time getting it right very much matters on whether the industry actually survives it or not!

  14. 54 minutes ago, pogo(aus) said:

    what a farce.

    no plan to have any jumps races ????

    you are dead set kidding !!

    AWT racing LMAO, so if Tasman Man reckons jumps racing doesnt draw crowds or turnover what do you reckon will happen with winter racing on "dirt"

    you kiwis  collectively are going to end up wth the arse end of a pineapple if this keeps going.

    i've never seen something deteriorate like NZ racing other than Zelda Kratchanova's figure ( don't forget she was Miss Vladivostok 1972)

     

    Unfortunately we have one of Australias best at deteriorating assisting us in our demise, the guy hasn't got a clue!

  15. 10 hours ago, weasel57 said:

    Yeh well done ARC ...another totally avoidable INCIDENT glossed over.. ie two track maintenance workers replacing 'divots' while a race was being run had to dive under the ruinng rail near the home bend as a field of 2yos came hurtling towards them.

    "Not our finest moment," says CEO Wilcox. "The process fell away ..." while apologist Guerin rated it as small beans compared to the lunatic at Trentham in January and the golf ball incident last year during the Great Northern. (Yes they were playing golf on the 9-hole course inside the track during a race meeting and someone smacked a ball out onto the home straight during the race.)

    PROCESS ....Mr Wilcox ,,what process?? I reckon WorkSafe will be all over this ...and I'd suggest there was/is no process in place to prevent maintenance workers from doing running repairs during a race.

    What's the bet that video footage of this has been edited by now on the LoveRacing site.

     

     

     

    Ellerslie are like some stables they can do no wrong! 

    I'd suggest Trentham had little control over the lunatic that entered the track , unlike Ellerslie who should have had all control over workers. 

    Process is another ambiguous way of saying I had no idea they even worked here and of course a redirection of blame.

  16. 43 minutes ago, Thepaw said:

    When will we see the footage of the race  showing the track staff diving under the running rails -

    They are waiting for a few more incidents to take place so they can make a compilation video with music by their resident rave master. So far they have

    - A hole in the track

    - Golfers on Course

    - The race that stops Pokeno or maybe it was Mercer

    - We take your iconic races and never giving them back

    - Track Staff on the track during a race

    - False start debacle

    - Change the dates charades

     

    But don't worry about a thing, get yourself a horse or two because they are soon going to be running $100k races on a regular basis!

  17. 5 hours ago, Trump said:

    Not espousing everything good about AUSSIE, I’m trying to explain to you that MM, Everest etc has lit a firecracker and its having a positive effect on funding across Country Racing as well. Everybody seems to want change in NZ, even the most powerful Stable in NZ came out and demanded change. You’ve gone from bagging the KM type races, the ARC and now you can’t see what I’m telling exactly what you say yourself. Racing NZ needs to support Country racing, one off carnivals and get the betting platform and distribution of stakes right - from the top end to the bottom end. Racing NZ has been undermined imho by failure at Admin level. There’s been no Driver. Good luck. Look to Aust racing and learn what can be done. Therea no better example of what can be done with the right leadership and drive. 

    I understand what youre saying , but as I said those events work so well because Aus have the industry to sustain them, thats why they are succesful, we here just generally copy that expecting the same industry wide results, it doesn't work like that. 

  18. 3 hours ago, Trump said:

    Huey, you are living in the past. You probably still use pen and paper, or perhaps graduated to a typewriter? Old habits die hard. Mine is still to sit down with a copy of The Australian and read it while enjoying my freshly grounded Vittoria Coffee Bean homemade coffee. I do this even though I’ve read every good news story earlier - from my iPhone. As I say, old habits :) 

    I understand 100% where you’re coming from, I really do. I used to love going to the Feilding races. They are still going strong but at Awapuni. They wouldn’t have survived if they’d stayed at their Feilding track. But mate, keep the tradition but move with times. That’s what’s holding NZ Racing back. It’s a bit like Ireland. A good btreeding ground but most of the good horses racing offshore for the big $. Going to the races at The Curragh reminded me of going to Trentham. Great tracks - old and poor amenities. 
    Enjoy your racing. 

    Hang on , on one hand youre espousing the virtues of everything thats good about OZ racing and then youre ignoring the very thing that makes it great, the base of their industry, the country racing the history of the sport -c'mon Trump make up youre mind!

    Those race days moved to other locations aren't successful and haven't been proven to have been so (if you have some insight into why they are lets hear it) , I've been to plenty and the atmosphere at a lot is appalling and the support non existent, they unfortunately just fade out. Sorry I can't buy into the lie thats being sold here, change has to happen but it'll happen at its own pace not with biased interference like has happened here in NZ. If it was such a good strategy there would be countless examples of it having worked well for the industry , where are they?

    Happy punting!