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  2. Boys get Paid

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    58 minutes ago, barryb said:

    I  imagine they have been receiving something under an affiliates programme for a fair while already for new accounts etc, increase that % is the logical way to go if they want a bit more.

    My understanding is that the NZ TAB provide nothing to BGP in the way of any rebate or affiliate scheme.

  3. Boys get Paid

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    38 minutes ago, chevy86 said:

    That's the easy catch cry you tosser.Unlike many true racing supporters I deem myself very lucky with my past successes and carry no baggage. No jealousy, no negativity. Why should a group of "Johnny come latelies" demand a rebate when they have found a party where everybody should be on an equal footing. How about a rebate for the thousands who have been "putting in" for 50 years, who have a true love of the racing game, to subsidise you "instant gratification" types who have moved on from Pokemon Go. Enjoy the racing game, but don't think you are more worthy than those who have sustained the game for decades, for better or for worse.

    No one has demanded anything.

    Any rebate would be at the discretion of any club once they have weighed the commercial considerations.

    Any private outfit is absolutely within their rights to ask or open a dialogue about commercial deals with race clubs.

    If owners want a better deal maybe they should organize themselves and demand it.

    What the f*** does a 'true racing supporter' mean!

     

    For someone who bemoans the left wing of politics you sure like to throw around alot of anti free market group think.

  4. New FOB and Shutdown

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    4 hours ago, SneakyTrader said:

    Disclaimer: I work at the TAB (I won't say where other than in the capacity of a customer facing role) but I'd prefer to remain anonymous for the sake of job security.

    I'll put some points out there and let people take from it what they will:

    1) When calling up the help desk or phone bet - remember, the staff that answer the phones didn't make the choice to change the system, yelling and screaming at them along with a barrage of swearing won't magically bring back the old site or get the operator to fix something that they themselves cannot fix.

    2) The OpenBet platform is a good platform (at the core of it) but the problem is that they tried to retrofit it with the old jetbet system for backwards compatibility with the retail sites and touchtone betting along with integration with the legacy parts of the system. What they should have done was to stand back and take a big picture analysis as to the direction the betting industry is taking and develop a system that didn't require the mess of compromises. The result of what you see today and the money spent is the result of so much work being spent trying to get the new system to integrate with the old processes.

    3) With the moving of the data over to the new system they did some really stupid decisions for the sake of 'simplicity' - the new system only allows one card per account thus you cannot use the same card on more than one account which is fair enough from a fraud prevention point of view.  The problem is that when they migrated the data across it resulted in all the old accounts with the same card being used across multiple accounts also migrated across with the net result of deposits failing. Why did they do it? apparently for the sake of convenience but what is more inconvenient - spending 2 minutes to re-enter the credit card number on the account or waiting 30 minutes on hold to then having the operator trying to locate the other accounts where the credit/debit card is used? Same can be said for the race tracker - why not just get the customer to enter it again where as they're now going to spend thousands of dollars more to try and retrieve the information off the old database with no guarantee that it can be migrated - why not just start with a clean slate and get the customers to choose them again rather than promise something only to find that the end result is iffy reliability?

    4) The payment processor, IP Payments/Bambora, has always been a mess even before the change over with the constant breakdowns; the problem made worse by the fact that the system works by doing pre-authorisation, security check but the problem comes when the security check fails because what is meant to happen is a 'message' is sent back to IP Payments/Bambora to release the pre-authorisation but it doesn't resulting in people seeing money being deducted multiple times - it should drop off after 5-10 days but for the average person who needs the money for other things then the current system is unacceptable.

    5) The website itself is one of those things that one can chalk up as "sounds great in theory" but in reality it becomes "if you try to be everything to everyone the end result is no one is happy". The website is meant to scale and adapt to screen sizes hence the mobile app looks the same as the website on a mobile phone web browser when being run on the same device (I wonder whether the app itself is nothing more than a Progressive Web Application (PWA)) but when you make such a choice you end up making compromises - buttons have to be bigger because you're not only catering for mouse input but also touch screen thus the target has to be big enough for a customer to easily press. The net result is that it isn't information dense enough resulting in the inability to display the full field of runners when trying to place a racing bet resulting in time spent scrolling up and down the page. I was thinking to myself, "maybe it is great for sport but bad for racing' but even for sports it is a mess.

    6) With the attempt to be 'everything to everyone' the result is also lousy performance - it took 20-30 seconds to load up the results page for the EPL - and this is on a high end computer on a 100mbps fibre connection so it is hardly a situation where I lack the 'grunt'.

    7) One thing to keep in mind that the programmers are working on the issues but keep in mind that the original scope of the project was laid down by the TAB/NZRB - it was ultimately TAB/NZRB that chose to to do what they did.

    8) The one theme I am hearing 'on the streets' is about John Allen going on television saying, "everything is great, everything is awesome" and I can't help but be reminded of 'Baghdad Bob' with a side of 'Nero playing the fiddle as Rome burns' - the least he could have done was gone out and said, "we are aware of some teething issues and the transition wasn't as smooth as expected but we are working on addressing the sore points that our customers have provided feedback regarding..." - at least then he would win bit of a kudos for having a degree of humility but the fact that he keeps claiming everything is ok demonstrates just how out of touch he is with the day to day operations - that some how he can 'Donald Trump' his way to success by boasting benefits and ignoring the legitimate issues the customer base does have.

    Who within the senior management actually oversaw this whole transition. Seems pretty clear John Allen isn't a wagering/IT expert, he is a corporate/bureaucratic manager, who in NZRB actually did the work on this? I would have thought we would know their name by now as they would be centre stage taking all the credit for the marvellous platform..

  5. Riccarton are you a racing club

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    Here's a question, for all the clamping down on BYO liquor, all the cops, all the check points. Did the day look like drinking was more under control?

    For all the PC crap nothing has been achieved other than to force people to heavily pre-load before an event to try and avoid the high pricing and big drink Q's.

     

  7. Abandonments - RNZ This Morning

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    9 minutes ago, La Zip said:

    John Messara's take on NZ racing in the Informant is on the money, by a man that knows. Love him or hate him, he's been ever so successful in the thoroughbred industry and he should be listened to. Will the people with the say do that? I very much doubt it, that's the reason we are in such a pickle, pride, ego's and self interest, oh how I wish I was wrong, if only that Peters guy grew a pair, showed us all he was an honest man....and did just as John suggested.....we could have a wonderful rich industry here, it's just sitting there, like a ripe apple, just waiting to be picked..........

    It's online now too 
    https://theinformant.co.nz/website/News/single_news/Messara-advises-NZ-racing-industry-to-start-again-with-a-blank-/KT8341

  14. TIGER MULTI

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    13 hours ago, Bimbo said:

    Why would anyone pay for tips when they are available for free?  Today's bet of the day got rolled at $1.70.  New Zealand racing desperately needs a good website that doesn't have every story that might be worth reading being locked up unless you want to signup and pay.  Just look at Racenet and Racing And Sports.  Heaps to read, more tips than you can poke a stick at and they're much better than Stu's and Aidan's tips.  All for free.  No New Zealand websites come close and they're still trying to get you to pay to look at them.

    Difference is Racenet is covered in corporate bookmakers, when was the last time you saw the TAB NZ throw anything at a domestic site... it's not hard to figure out how leakage can happen..

  16. Racing Act Admendment Underway

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    How much of sports betting is on international events (NBA, NRL, AFL, EPL).

    I don't know anyone who bets on domestic football but i sure know alot of money goes on the Euro/English comps.

    Why do domestic sports bodies that contribute nothing to overseas competitions get a cut? Surely if anyone was owed something it would be SKY TV who pays for most NZ punters to watch and bet on these events.

  17. $10k min from 1 March

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    14 minutes ago, Midget said:

    I liken the  Port Hills fire like NZ Racing,eg the fire is NZ Racing and the Firefighters are the owners,Trainers and Jockeys and as I write both the Port Hills and NZ Racing are out of control.

    Mr Jackson show something worthwhile like cutting staff costs substantially which would show you are leading by example not to read  138 people are on 100k,when the people the supply the product continue to bleed.

    Sorry whilst a 3k increase is a start,I do not believe it will entice people to send mares to Stud,buy a horse at the Sales,or race a horse,i hope I am wrong.

    SNR

    Isn't the 138 on 100k figure the NZRB not NZTR?