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    departed got a reaction from 45yearsofharness in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    Not curing the disease but killing the patient.  It isn't remotely likely that what is happening at the moment will rid the country of corona virus.  People might just have to face up to the fact that some elderly and infirm will die, just like tens of thousands of people die of the flu every year.  We don't have the country in lockdown every winter because of the flu, yet far more people die of it. The vast majority of people who get corona virus will fully recover and will have immunity after that.  What Ardern is doing is misguided and will cause immense damage to the country.  The top medicos in Australia say shutting down the country will achieve very little and they do not recommend it.  Where we live in Australia it is very much life as normal.  Pubs and restaurants are closed but that is about it.  Racing is continuing with the public barred.  NZ will live to regret its little experiment in socialism.
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    departed got a reaction from meomy in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    You guys are slightly deluded if you think closing the joint down for 4 weeks is going to eradicate Covid 19.  Are you going to keep the borders closed until a vaccine is developed?  Because that is the only way you will keep the disease out of the country.  And in the meantime you will have hundreds of thousands unemployed and businesses gone bust never to reopen.  Is this really what you want?  Remember, NZ has had no deaths so far.  Is it worth shutting down the economy and forcing many into extreme hardship to do something that probably won't even achieve the result you want?
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    departed got a reaction from Catalano in Read this   
    Anyone with even a passing interest in racing or the future direction of NZ needs to read this article
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2020/08/28/private-property-rights-in-nz/
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    departed got a reaction from Pam Robson in Stakes....Aussie v NZ.   
    The problem NZ will always have is that it has a government mandated monopoly that controls all betting. In 1910 the Gaming Act was amended to ban bookies and 110 years later that is still in place.  You would think that in 2020 with the ease of opening online betting accounts they would have revised this. 
    Every race meeting in Australia has a bookies ring with usually a dozen or so bookies competing for bets.  Then there are the big corporate bookies - Bet 365, Ladbrokes etc where you can get great offers and deals.  NZ is stuck in the dark ages with the TAB holding a monopoly on betting. 
    During the Covid-19 shutdown in Victoria turnover actually increased as people were stuck at home with nothing else to do.  That way Victoria was able to continue funding racing. I cannot believe that the Messara report did not address this.
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    departed got a reaction from Dissident in Stakes....Aussie v NZ.   
    The problem NZ will always have is that it has a government mandated monopoly that controls all betting. In 1910 the Gaming Act was amended to ban bookies and 110 years later that is still in place.  You would think that in 2020 with the ease of opening online betting accounts they would have revised this. 
    Every race meeting in Australia has a bookies ring with usually a dozen or so bookies competing for bets.  Then there are the big corporate bookies - Bet 365, Ladbrokes etc where you can get great offers and deals.  NZ is stuck in the dark ages with the TAB holding a monopoly on betting. 
    During the Covid-19 shutdown in Victoria turnover actually increased as people were stuck at home with nothing else to do.  That way Victoria was able to continue funding racing. I cannot believe that the Messara report did not address this.
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    departed got a reaction from 6xes in Racing Bill   
    We had heard that the bill was open for submissions until February.  I have just checked on the govt legislation website and it is still showing as a bill, which means it hasn't passed into law.
    I read the bill yesterday for the first time and was horrified.  Private property rights extinguished in one stroke of a pen.  The code can confiscate private property with no compensation to the owner.  It also prevents clubs from dealing with their property as they wish. 
     
    I suggest that people make this an election issue.  Write to ACT's David Seymour, he is very effective.  Or try Judith Collins, she is a commercial lawyer and will understand the implications.
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    departed got a reaction from Huey in Racing Bill   
    We had heard that the bill was open for submissions until February.  I have just checked on the govt legislation website and it is still showing as a bill, which means it hasn't passed into law.
    I read the bill yesterday for the first time and was horrified.  Private property rights extinguished in one stroke of a pen.  The code can confiscate private property with no compensation to the owner.  It also prevents clubs from dealing with their property as they wish. 
     
    I suggest that people make this an election issue.  Write to ACT's David Seymour, he is very effective.  Or try Judith Collins, she is a commercial lawyer and will understand the implications.
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    departed got a reaction from Baz (NZ) in Minister announces emergency $72.5 million for racing   
    Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic, refinancing debt.  Nothing will change, no money for stakes.  Trackside all but dead and buried, where will the interest in racing be?  Sad indeed.  But all the well paid people at Petone will just carry on life as normal, overseeing the slow death of racing in NZ.
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    departed got a reaction from Maximus in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from Midget in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from Tauhei Notts in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from Aaron Bidlake in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from dock leaf in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from 100 1 in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from Huey in Optimum time to cut the chord?   
    The biggest problem with NZ racing is that the TAB has a statutory monopoly on punting.  A monopoly inevitably leads to a second rate product. That is exactly what you have in NZ.  Open up the market to bookies and you will stimulate interest and get a better turnover.  This is the one area that Messara never touched on but is probably the most important.  Closing down tracks isn't the answer.  Nor is synthetic tracks.  James Cummings wont race his horses on synthetic tracks.  I haven't done a count, but Victoria probably has 3 times the number of tracks that NZ does, and racing in this one state alone contributes $3.2billion a year to the Victorian economy.  Go to any picnic meeting on a Saturday during summer and the bookies ring will have 10 bookies operating and people are standing shoulder to shoulder trying to get a bet on.  Right now during the covid-19 crisis there are 1 or 2 racemeetings every day of the week in Victoria.  The state government has shut down just about everything else but realises that racing is a huge employer and contributor to the economy. Same as NSW.  Betting turnover has actually INCREASED during the covid-19 crisis.  You wouldn't have that if the TAB had a monopoly on betting.  But the corporate bookmakers are out there with incentives and offers and people are taking them. 
    From what I see NZers are just taking whatever is dished out to them.  Ardern was so big on compassion after the Christchurch massacre but now she doesn't give a toss about livelihoods, particularly those of racing people, who still have to feed and care for their horses even though the industry that sustains them has been shut down.  I have been reading of people who are having to die alone because she won't show a bit of compassion, women having to give birth alone, people missing out on cancer scans when the hospitals are half empty anyway.  Then all the small businesses that will probably never reopen again, their owners having lost their years of hard work and investment.  This woman is a fraud and completely out of her depth.  She has no real world experience and is being led by the nose by health officials.  NZ has a chance to get rid of her in September, I hope you don't waste it.
     
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    departed got a reaction from Midget in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from Catalano in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from Ragamuffin in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from Tauhei Notts in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from tripple alliance in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from Huey in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from GOM in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from Gruff in Put the adults in charge   
    My blood is really starting to boil at the massive and permanent damage being inflicted on NZ by a bunch of socialists with no idea how the real world operates.  In particular I don't know how the racing industry will ever recover.  The NZ Herald has a couple of stories running right now about the pathetic tax package for business that will do nothing about putting money in the pockets of small business owners to enable them to survive during this lockdown and hopefully emerge further down the track able to resume their businesses.  How is playing around with tax going to help pay the rent, the mortgage, the power bills, the feed bills, and put food on the table?  Then we have former finance minister Stephen Joyce stating what should be crystal clear - that it is pie in the sky fantasy to think you can eliminate the virus.  Until a vaccine is available, it just isn't possible.  And a vaccine may never be found.  It isn't available for HIV or the common cold.  And you cannot keep your borders closed indefinitely.  In the meantime what is being done to the country is pointless and will not achieve the results Ardern thinks she can get.  If NZ ever goes back into stage 2, the country will be well and truly stuffed by then.  There will be mass unemployment, mass bankruptcy and Covid-19 will be replaced by suicide as a major cause of death.
    Here in Victoria we can still do the drive through at Maccas or KFC if we want.  Bunnings and many other shops are still open.  In the regional area where we live, most shops are open.  We can buy magazines at the supermarket or newsagents.  Most importantly, we still have one or two racemeetings EVERY DAY.  Yes, the public are excluded.  Trainers can't even leg their jockeys up or enter the mounting yard.  There is no catering on course- you bring your own food and drinks.  But we are still racing, and that is the main thing.  The horses are being fed and cared for, and trainers can keep afloat. 
    What I find amazing is that with a population of a million or so more than NZ, we have lower rates of new infections than NZ.  Yesterday we had no new cases and we have been in the single figures for most of the last week.  NZ still has 10-20 new cases a day.  And that is after 3 weeks of total lockdown.  Why is no-one asking why there are still this many new cases?  We haven't been in total lockdown but we are getting fewer cases.  Why aren't you guys jumping up and down demanding answers?  NZ is going to seriously regret having this seriously out of her depth virtue signaller par extraordinaire in charge when people with serious business and real life experience are needed.
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    departed got a reaction from tripple alliance in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    You guys are slightly deluded if you think closing the joint down for 4 weeks is going to eradicate Covid 19.  Are you going to keep the borders closed until a vaccine is developed?  Because that is the only way you will keep the disease out of the country.  And in the meantime you will have hundreds of thousands unemployed and businesses gone bust never to reopen.  Is this really what you want?  Remember, NZ has had no deaths so far.  Is it worth shutting down the economy and forcing many into extreme hardship to do something that probably won't even achieve the result you want?
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    departed got a reaction from Gruff in THIS IS SERIOUS PEOPLE MAKE NO MISTAKE   
    You guys are slightly deluded if you think closing the joint down for 4 weeks is going to eradicate Covid 19.  Are you going to keep the borders closed until a vaccine is developed?  Because that is the only way you will keep the disease out of the country.  And in the meantime you will have hundreds of thousands unemployed and businesses gone bust never to reopen.  Is this really what you want?  Remember, NZ has had no deaths so far.  Is it worth shutting down the economy and forcing many into extreme hardship to do something that probably won't even achieve the result you want?