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S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Irish and 4 others reacted to Aaron Bidlake for a topic
He is a Maori himself and just having a bit of a laugh. God help me if Bill T James was still trying to make a career in comedy in today's world.5 points -
Prize money annoucement
Baz (NZ) and 2 others reacted to shaneMcAlister for a topic
Key prizemoney increases between 28 August – 2 April are: Industry meeting minimum stakes will increase from $10,000 to $12,000. Iconic meeting minimum prizemoney increases from $40,000 to $50,000. Premier meeting minimum prizemoney increases from $30,000 to $40,000 per race, excluding maiden races. Feature meeting minimum prizemoney increases will apply across various levels including Maiden minimums moving from $10,000 to $15,000, and Open minimums from $32,500 to $40,000. Group and Listed minimum stakes will see the following changes – Listed Races move from $50,000 to $60,000, Group 3 from $70,000 to $80,000, Group 2 races from $100,000 to $110,000 and the Group 1 minimum from $200,000 to $220,000. The increase in Group and Listed flat races will apply to the full season. Over $15,000 1st 57.5% 2nd 18.5% 3rd 9% 4th 5% 5th 2.5% 6 -10th 1.5% $15,000 and under 1st 56% 2nd 18% 3rd 9% 4th 5% 5-10th 2% THANK YOU TAB AND NZTR, THIS IN MY OPINION IS A STEP IN RIGHT DIRECTION.3 points -
Double the stake money p
napier and one other reacted to We're Doomed for a topic
How do you suggest funding the doubling of stakes? We aren't given access to turnover figures anymore, but at a guess I would suggest on course turnovers are probably 25% of what they were 35 years ago, and off course turnover is probably about 35% of what it was 35 years ago. Add to that, there are no significant sponsors anymore. At the same time the costs of running the industry have escalated massively. Racing used to be run by racing people who had a passion for the industry, these days it is bogged down by overpaid cast-offs from other industries and other countries who are only here for their inflated salaries.2 points -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Ragamuffin and one other reacted to redrew2000 for a topic
The world is fucked when no one can have a sense of humour any more. Certainly didn't upset me.2 points -
Double the stake money p
tasman man and one other reacted to Tony for a topic
Bernard Saundry could double the stakes we race for and is in the process of moving that way. Halving the number of races would give him the money to double all the stakes. It's so simple. Watch it happen over the next few years. Wouldn't that look good on a CV. "Doubled the stakes of New Zealand Thoroughbreds were racing for."2 points -
Prize money annoucement
JJ Flash and one other reacted to tasman man for a topic
Good to see the $10,000 minimums gone.......but with more cost increases bound to be around the corner it really makes little difference ! Less races per card at some meetings will see less distributed to participants. But unless betting on NZ TAB improves ,along with margins , the situation remains dire !2 points -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Irish and one other reacted to Aaron Bidlake for a topic
Guess I'm just not as precious as some people and can have a laugh at most things.2 points -
Helloooo aussie
Iraklis and one other reacted to ivanthegreat for a topic
The youtube clip demonstrates the use of a can opener which Bob Butt could have used at the 600 , 400 200. It is obvious in hindsight that he should not have stayed behind that thing paying about 60 from memory. Yes i'm talking through my pocket but it will keep. The winner did go well though. https://www.racingqueensland.com.au/racing-and-results/video-replays/player/harness/albi/20210703/race/62 points -
Job done . Number 3000 for the one and only R T May Congrats to him on a wonderful achievement2 points
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Yeh boy, Lee mate it's guna be a cracker, I got me fingers crossed for Turny to make it in....boy oh boy we gotta race on our hands yep yep Cheers Iraklis2 points
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horse ownership,a good investment ?
tasman man reacted to Sickopunter for a topic
I cant bet my own horses (or anyone elses) for any decent amount anymore thanks to obscene TAB limits. I believe the ROI is about 20c to the dollar. Im out.1 point -
Double the stake money p
JJ Flash reacted to tasman man for a topic
His point was doubling the stakes AFTER number of races halved....seems inevitable that number of races will be decreasing in NZ as they have been for some time This assumes people bet the same amount per day even though there less races ! Will they ??? ...I doubt it. What about increasing the minimum bet ? May get more from casual racegoer only attending big race days but ON course bets now so minimal. Try and increase their margin on exported turnover ...good luck ! Try to increase t/o by making local pools bigger ,more attractive eg ONE Quaddie in NZ per day ,One treble per day ?? Unlikely as the trend has been to actually increase options which results in many measly pools ! If any of us have the answer we would work for TAB. Berri wants bigger tracks that can cater for 24 horses per race...others 'huge' pools regularly. Difficult The TAB tried Triple treat.....this is not Hong Kong ! Overseas ideas not so good .....this is little ole NZ....our Government likes other causes more than NZ Racing ! We all want to WIN off TAB , though less than 5% do........which directly opposes the purpose/aim of TAB which must run the NZ betting profitably and basically is the sole provider of $$$$$$$ for NZ Racing ! The clubs need to help themselves more and this week we see if Counties and Ellerslie [and Avondale] are going to do this 11 point -
Prize money annoucement
JJ Flash reacted to Tauhei Notts for a topic
I will be the only one on this site who wants to see the $10,000 races remain at $10,000 BUT; all riding fees to be paid by NZTR and an appearance fee to be paid of $200 for each runner. I want to see it become cheaper to find out whether your horse is worth persevering with. And the stake money split should go to 70%, 18% 8% and 4%. Such a scheme will provide more horses to bet on, but those horses might be of doubtful ability. I have joked that dishlickers are poker machines that bark. Similarly $10,000 races will be for manger lickers that neigh.1 point -
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Prize money annoucement
tasman man reacted to We're Doomed for a topic
" target times of the racing year when we receive the greatest response, both in participation and revenue. A blanket approach does not create growth and better returns, so we need to be creative. “The Board believes this is both sensible and exciting, with a 20 per cent uplift in stakes for the period from 28 August to 2 April 2022." So presumably some stakes drop again after 2 April for the winter period. Very innovative. $45m of AWTs, but we can't afford decent stakes to fund winter racing.1 point -
Double the stake money p
Aaron Bidlake reacted to We're Doomed for a topic
Surely halving the number of races will halve income?1 point -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Insider reacted to redrew2000 for a topic
i'm more upset that i didn't back the horse that won on Saturday named after one of my old girlfriends. A cute arse1 point -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Ragamuffin reacted to Red Rum for a topic
Did he just say the colour Black , or was other words in a sentence around it , like I think this sentence would be fine " Black Caviar was a good racehorse " or maybe " the chequered flag was black and white " . Do you know of anyone saying that Black cannot be used in a sentence anymore . I've never seen that but I'd like to have a read up because that person would be crazy , I've seen people get upset at racial slurs though. You do understand this was on National TV .1 point -
Step in the right direction but minimum stakes need to be even higher. Why can't the new stakes be introduced on August 1 rather than August 22?1 point
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Iam going to put my flairs on and get a perm, and watch Starskey and Hutch , this thread is getting retro . FFS you cannot say that shit on national TV , as a licence holder and not expect a fine . There no PC about it , it's common decency . At least he's copped it on chin by looks of it , he's not criminal number 1 , just a wally . Right iam off to pub to buy a 50 cent jug , and a 3 buck roast in my big holden then watching snooker on my black and white TV .1 point
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Any 'Cafers going to Ashburton thoroughbreds on Thursday ?
JJ Flash reacted to Ponderosa8 for a topic
Or even a Multi on each horse for "Any Two".. That will cost you $36. So you'd only need 2 horses to run in the money paying $6 each and you're all square on the bet.. and if 3 came in paying $6 you'd have a collect of $108 and so on.1 point -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
chevy86 reacted to We're Doomed for a topic
I imagine those 98% weren't watching a racing channel then, so no harm done. It is beginning to sound like it might be PC gone mad.1 point -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
We're Doomed reacted to chevy86 for a topic
So what did he say (fudge it a bit if you must) ?1 point -
Did the thousands , or hundreds watching trackside take it as a laugh that's the problem racing had , he wasn't in the pub with his mates , he was on national TV channel, very unprofessional, how can racing have people spouting off that crap whoever they are .It's supposed to be getting into modern days . Billy T was 70s and 80s , those times gone over finished move on , so it's no good using that as an example, also last time I checked Phelan was not a stand up comedian . Would it play out well on 6 news TV 1 ask yourself that .1 point
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S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Lee270744 reacted to Aaron Bidlake for a topic
I know what he said and the fine is joke, maybe a warning and told to just watch what he says in future.1 point -
S Phelan fined $800 for misconduct
Gruff reacted to ivanthegreat for a topic
I've not heard the comments but I can only imagine it refers to the fact that the horse is Black of the darkest pigment, Oh really are we not all getting a little too precious. ......... this is going too farnow.1 point -
Only 2 Drives?
JJ Flash reacted to ivanthegreat for a topic
And yet there is so much incompetence on show every week1 point -
Good TAB Numbers- Distribution time
JJ Flash reacted to tasman man for a topic
Correct in all of above.... Yes a big concern those $10k minimums could remain....it is BULLSHIT ! But the $170 m surplus, if it eventuates , will be real $$$$ and can be distributed . In previous years they were working toward racefields and reducing taxes and they paid out more than they earned before it actually in place and earned ...crazy ! That all history now. The amalgamated clubs in North are making the decision this week....make sure you stress the importance of getting promised stake increases into the lower stakes as well !1 point -
Good TAB Numbers- Distribution time
Baz (NZ) reacted to scooby3051 for a topic
TAB mistruths, NZTR threats and a witch-hunt – what a mess! by Brian de Lore Published July 4th 2021 The willingness of TAB NZ to pull the wool over the eyes of the racing public became evident once again on Friday when it released a media statement claiming the credit for $30 million of income derived, not from the TAB, but the 2020 legislation. The $30 million is made up $20 million from ‘racefields’ or BIUC (Betting Information User Charges) and $10 million from the repeal of the two percent betting levy – two of the 17 Messara Review recommendations written into the racing Act of 2020, and nothing whatsoever to do with the TAB. The TAB’s announcement that budgeted distributions to the racing codes for the upcoming 2021/22 season will be 23 percent higher than the $117 million budgeted distributions for the current season is laughable. $117 million budget was low-ball because of COVID19 The $117m set by the TAB for the current season was a low-ball budgeted figure set when there were significant uncertainties for the future of New Zealand’s wagering and gaming businesses because of COVID-19. So, this budget for the current season is $33 million below what is required to fund the codes to enable them to maintain stakes at the pre-COVID level and the anticipated TAB betting profits for the current season. All this smoke and mirrors carry-on was part of the Glenda Hughes-John Allen publicity machine under NZRB, and now with a name change to TAB NZ and under the Chief Transitional Officer Dean McKenzie, nothing has changed. The chasm between reality and the fanciful world of Dean McKenzie is wider than the Grand Canyon. The participants of racing have only ever wanted to know the truth handed out by someone who is genuinely working in their interests – not some overpaid, self-serving egotist of the type we have seen succeed each other for the past decade. In the media release, McKenzie said: “It’s great that we’re in a position to increase our returns…we’re now seeing the positive returns from the investment made by the Government and the industry in the TAB. We’re excited with where we are heading and incredibly proud that significant tangible benefits….” He’s excited, is there anyone in the real world excited? Under last year’s legislation, the devolvement of many areas of responsibility from NZRB/RITA/TAB NZ to the racing codes has not happened because the three codes have not come together, as the legislation provided for, to draw up a commercial agreement for the negotiation of distributions into the codes, etc.. Bringing in the Racing New Zealand board was new to the legislation, and invented explicitly to: “act as a consultive forum for the racing codes, and to represent the racing codes in relation to negotiations, interactions with other bodies under this Act, and other matters, with the agreement of the racing codes.” However, Racing New Zealand cannot function effectively because it hasn’t been appropriately appointed. It’s supposed to have one person from each of the codes and two independents. But the two independents haven’t been appointed, and the codes have been running it on a please themselves basis in the first year by taking along the three CEOs – Saundry, Woodham, and Hughes – none of those three are supposed to be involved and shouldn’t be involved. It’s all very well having newish, one-year-old legislation in place, but when you have an industry that deliberately ignores bits and pieces to suit itself, it’s no different to them claiming they’re doing the Messara Review when, in fact, it’s only cherry-picking the low hanging fruit and leaving out the vital clauses. Some of our leaders haven’t even read the legislation Having spoken to some of the decision-makers at various times, would it surprise that some haven’t even read the legislation, and if they have, have only skimmed over it and don’t get it. Not that we wouldn’t mind altering the 59 clauses that require Ministerial stamp of approval to do anything – knowing we have a Minister very short on industry knowledge (and appearances) and advised by non-specified interested parties. Racing remains in a mess. NZTR has been weak and has seen a deterioration in its relationship with racing people trying to stay active in the game. NZTR CEO Bernard Saundry refers to them as customers, but he isn’t running a corporation; in reality, he‘s their employee and should support them and develop initiatives to keep people active in racing and breeding. The foal crop numbers prove that’s not happening. Where’s the future plan? It’s July 4th, and as I write this we have no funding model for the clubs for the season starting August 1st. On Weigh In when last interviewed, Saundry suggested prizemoney increases for the middle and top races, and the bottom level had their turn three years ago. Why didn’t he just kick 90 percent of owners in the guts there and then? NZTR puts pressure on Dargaville for $800,000 to $1 million Arrogance on NZTR surfaces regularly. Consider the plight of the Dargaville Racing Club and the stand-off that now exists as NZTR tries to enforce Clause 25 of the Racing Act 2020, which specifically addresses the ‘Transfer of surplus venue by agreement.’ NZTR has its hand out for 40 percent of the value of the Dargaville Racecourse, which is valued at somewhere between $2 to $2.5 million. Dargaville is an isolated outpost over an hour by car east of Ruakaka. It had one annual community-driven race day but hasn’t had a date allocated for four years. The club resisted taking their race date to Ruakaka as the sponsors and local community said they would not support it. The Dargaville committee has accepted that the decline in racing would lead to track closures, but the pill they haven’t been able to swallow came when NZTR wrote to the committee to inform them no further racing would be staged at Dargaville with an offer to help sell the racecourse to put the money into other racecourses. The club has owned the land in an unencumbered title since it was donated to them by a local family named Findlayson about 100 years ago. Since then, volunteer committees have run the racing with all upkeep on the course done through working bees. Not one cent has ever come from NZTR to assist in its maintenance. Some committee members have served for 30 volunteer years, so anyone with a sense of fairness will understand the resistance. Shane Jones and Winston Peters at odds on the future of Dargaville The irony of the Dargaville stand-off is the NZ First left hand not knowing what the NZ First right is doing. Almost simultaneously, Winston Peters signed off on the legislation for the ‘land grab,’ as NZ First’s Provincial Growth Fund Manager, Shane Jones, allocated the Dargaville community $900,000 to develop the racecourse for the benefit of the community. Dargaville is on the point of gaining approval for a retirement village and housing development to benefit the locals, and rightly say the grant or the land value won’t be used to benefit NZTR, and nor it should. In a letter to Dargaville from Bernard Saundry, dated June 25th, in part he stated: “As a starting position, we would propose that 20% of the proceeds be allocated to support racing in the northern region, 20% be allocated to NZTR for stakes and other purposes, and the balance (60%) settled on a community trust as the Club has previously proposed. “I must also warn you that NZTR’s patience in relation to this matter is close to exhausted. We wish, as does the Minister, to see an industry-led negotiated resolution to the future of the Dargaville Racecourse. However, if the Club continues to fail to engage reasonably with NZTR by refusing to provide the information NZTR has requested, or to continues to avoid negotiating in good faith with NZTR, or otherwise act in a way which gives rise to concerns about the Club’s governance and management, we will be left with no choice but to consider other options to bring this matter to a close, such as exercising NZTR’s statutory power to dissolve the Club.” “…analogous to the collectivisation of farmland in 1920s Soviet Russia” – Dargaville committee The Dargaville Racing Club take this view: The ‘Transfer of assets and surplus venues’ clause should have no place in New Zealand. It is analogous to the collectivisation of farmland in 1920s Soviet Russia (‘Your land is not yours, it belongs to everybody, and we are going to collectivise it.’) “The clause is based on a false premise. Assets built up, particularly in rural communities, from donations of land, from volunteer labour, from grants and local fundraising, are community assets. Not Racing Industry assets, and no amount of Trumpian repetitive rhetoric will alter that fact. “Racing has been held at Dargaville for nearly one hundred years. Never has there ever been mention of the race track being an ‘industry asset.’ It wasn’t an industry asset when the toilets needed replacing; it wasn’t an industry asset when the track rail needed replacing, or the many other capital improvements. “The original land was donated circa 1925. In all that time no one can remember, and no record can be found of the New Zealand Racing Industry making any contributions to any capital development at Dargaville. “All built by working bees, donated labour, donated goods… “Very considerable input from the local community, first in developing the land, then gradually building up the asset we have now. Clubrooms, commentators tower, toilets, cafeteria, stables, jockey rooms, etc. All built by working bees, donated labour, donated goods, and capital grants from outside organisations such as ASB and Lotteries Board. “It is an impossible leap to go from that level of community input to claiming, retrospectively, that the Dargaville racecourse, is in fact, an industry asset. It just stretches credulity.” The Dargaville case rests, your honour. Let this be a warning to all clubs owning their own land, racing only once or twice a year – they’re coming to get you. And to finish, I should reveal that NZTR isn’t happy with me because I used a table in a blog published on June 18th, entitled, “Alarming foal crop projection for 2021 as NZTR administratively expands.” In that blog, I published a table put together by NZTR (the second table that appears) supposedly not meant for my eyes and apparently not meant for publication in The Optimist. I didn’t know that at the time, and it’s only a table I could have composed myself in two or three hours. But I soon found out the NZTR board, or at least some of them, or perhaps just the absent Chair, was furious and has demanded to know who the whistleblower is. Who supplied the table? I did receive two phone calls making friendly inquiries on behalf of the injured parties but didn’t reveal the source. Next, I am informed (third hand) that Bernard has sent out an email to over 50 on a database requesting any information as to who leaked the table. What are they going to do to that person if they find out? – disappointing that no reward was offered, and disappointing Bernard didn’t even phone to ask, if he needed to know that badly. NZTR must have more important things to do than conduct a witch-hunt to find out who leaked the table, especially when it was minor information that was circulated to some clubs by email without a confidentiality stamp. Well, I can tell you who leaked it, Bernard. It was Bill – a photo of Bill appears in my blog published June 25th.1 point -
Good TAB Numbers- Distribution time
Huey reacted to tasman man for a topic
Spare us....pleeez ! Miserable indeed ! Sadly I think the 'glass half empty.....or real empty ......brigade' will have plenty to moan about as the delay in Funding announcement means there is a real shit fight happening about each codes distribution. Then there is the fact that each code has said they will tuck some away to try and build up some reserves/equity . Stakes are expected to rise......IMO the only way this can happen is by 'smoke and mirrors'........having less races is ONE obvious way which creeps in with 8 race cards now the 'norm' and more and more 7 race cards. NZTR have stated that the lowest minimum stakes got the rise 'last time' which seems a surprise as I felt this was the first level which needed a boost ,particularly with costs increasing so much and ready to inevitably go up again....and so many maidens around ! So what are the positives ? Code distributions should be rising ...and the money actually earned ...2020 excepted when Govt handout assisted......thru better TAB margins on similar betting totals in very competitive environment. Costs are being controlled ,and some clubs/regions accepting their demise better and working to collaborate with others to survive and maybe continue on in some form. Rationalisation as per Messara report seems to be settling in ,slowly. Sports doing well from TAB results...some very well ! And the big one this week......the amalgamation decision between ARC and Counties could get members green light which should give the Industry a big boost once the plan is implemented over next few years.......a better track at ARC ,a better training facility and higher sustainable stakes into the future [ in the Northern region at least]. As usual.....JMO.1 point -
I assume our broodmare population will still be served around the same time of year? I'm sure if the change was going to effect shuttle stallions we would have heard all about it from the big studs1 point
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Any 'Cafers going to Ashburton thoroughbreds on Thursday ?
JJ Flash reacted to Tauhei Notts for a topic
Cubesd, You are a great salesman for mid Canterbury racing. Rather than Black Kirrama, who was lucky to beat Panzer Chief in the Derby, what I want to see is a list of one horse in each race which has no show of running in the first three. I am one of those contrarian thinkers. I can feel a juicy place bet coming along.1 point -
Thoughts with Berri and his family
jack reacted to scooby3051 for a topic
Just found out Berri's Mum passed away...thoughts and prayers with you at this time Berri from all here at Racecafe...May she Rest In Peace.1 point -
Any 'Cafers going to Ashburton thoroughbreds on Thursday ?
JJ Flash reacted to Black Kirrama for a topic
Cubes I hope that you will post your Race by Race selections for Thursday @ Ashburton on Wednesday afternoon. Your judgement always respected. Copy Paste this : Cubes diabolical one, two three. Selections are. R 1 R 2 R 3 R 4 R 5 R 6 R 7 R 8 R 91 point -
Rising Sun is for 3 & 4yos Kiwis well represented, Krug, Copy That, Amazing Dream, Spirit of St Louis. Spankem and Turn it Up maybe in the open race. Rising Sun should be the race of the season cant wait Iraklis.1 point
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I have just been reading the latest TAB News Release about how great the TAB is going at the moment. I'm not an accountant but this part does worry me "Next year, the three racing codes - New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing (NZTR), Harness Racing New Zealand (HRNZ) and Greyhound Racing New Zealand (GRNZ) - are projected to receive $23 million more in fixed distributions compared to that budgeted for the current financial year, at a total of $140m. This increase equates to a 20 percent rise in growth year-on year (see Table 1 below)." All the comparisons are against "budget" and nothing is compared to past performance. I think that the distribution in 2018 was about 148m. WE were going no good then so how are these figures so great. What am I missing. It would be interesting to compare the expenses this year compared to earlier years rather than "budgeted" with all the cost cutting that's been done since Covid. Are we going to see Press Releases designed to stroke the egos and improve the CV's of CEO's. Will we see the continued increasing of Stakes by reducing the number of races and not the amount of extra money being put in the industry. What have I over looked1 point
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Gubes they southed 2m from the paying down to 14th thats gone into reserves. I think a large part of a larger distribution from TAB should go to stakes.1 point
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HEY POOPOO
meomy reacted to Uriah Heap for a topic
Thank you so much for addressing a servile plebeian such as myself, Nerula. I would abase myself at your feet, but I fear they are stuck in the mud.1 point