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  1. Trans Tasman weekly comp 1...Prize money $300. 1st $150,2nd $100, 3rd $50...W/P bet on a single horse of your choosing. Ok rules are 1 Pick 4 horses per nominated races, Pick the Trifecta get 15 points, Pick the Quinella get 7 points,Pick the winner only get 5 points.Choose 1 of the nominated races to be your Best Bet (BB) race for bonus points opportunity. No doubling up of points in any race EXCEPT your chosen Best bet race where you will get points for picking the Trifecta, quinella and winner if you do so in your nominated race. So to be clear ONLY in your BB race will get points for getting all three other races you will only receive points for 1 of the three Tri,Quin or Winning the race. Entries close 2pm Saturday Scratchings go onto TAB favourite. Entries to be as Meeting,Horse Number ONLY. Races Are Ascot Park Race 6 Ellerslie Race 7 Ellerslie Race 8 Caulfield Race 5 Caulfield Race 6 Rosehill Race 6 Caulfield Race 7 Rosehill Race 7 Caulfield Race 8 Good luck to everyone.
    3 points
  2. Pure Steel

    Cynic1

    Glad you see the great man as a Get-on. Very few can do what he does and travel all over the shop and beat the Locals who know the tracks like back of hand. examples are the 2 Perth Interdominions Glouscester Park (very tricky track) he won in recent years, Lazarus (just too good) and Smolda who was at 10-1 odds. At the big 1400m Menangle track, many feature wins for Mark too , knocking over the locals. 2019 Miracle Mile with Spankem was a ripper.
    3 points
  3. barryb

    F---, Really?

    I am supporting many overseas parasites as you describe, from what I recall they are all contributing to NZ Racing now. I put those whom support one entity who offers on many occasisons terrible returns in the same catergory that leave their Kiwisaver in the default fund, just plain dumb. You are deluded if you think the world today is still confined to physical boundaries for anything.
    3 points
  4. tasman man

    Sales Time

    Good luck selling.....can be a stressful time for many. I never sold Standardbred , but my experiences with Thoroughbred have seen dismal results. Our mare TD has had 4 x foals race , all winners but nothing major ....one stakes placed.....plus the foals generally considered big. I have attended some sales with small breeders of standardbreds and it a stressful and often disappointing outcome. But some leave happy ! Some very happy !
    3 points
  5. tasman man

    Sales Time

    Currently the bigger quandary are the running costs and the stakes on offer. Start adding on the costs after the fall of hammer , up to the time of qualifying , and not all do , and another $50 - $80k can be added . More in North cf South. Then the Stakes contested for....a precious few can win the worthwhile stakes .Most get peanuts ! Buyers /Owners need to be very resilient ! Industry bosses talk about 30% of costs returned ...I doubt that includes the purchase price.
    2 points
  6. Ohokaman

    Goondiwindi

    Much better run from Livvy Lass second up. Bit less weight and wetter track will be winning shortly. Got on at $25 and $5.75 FO. Good old TAB paid out $4.80. And they wonder why punters go overseas.......
    1 point
  7. Aaron Bidlake

    F---, Really?

    You know their details...now use them.
    1 point
  8. Trump

    Goondiwindi

    A great debut but a couple of observations. The horse should have debut at Sandown. Damian Thornton on the Waller winner outrode D Lane on Goondiwindi. He was one out but Lane was caught on the rail - a big no at Pakenham. Winner was out early but 2nd horse had to get clear, which cost it about length or two rounding the bend. At Sandown it would not have mattered so much. JMHO. It will win races.
    1 point
  9. Plenty happening this weekend in the northern hemisphere. Just five go in the Grade 1 Ascot Chase and the question really is which CYRNAME is going to turn up. He was brilliant in this race last year and if he's anywhere near that he wins and indeed 8/11 will be a steal but he flopped badly at Kempton and has questions to answer. He's rated 172 and DRASHEL DASHER is off 158 and they meet on levels so there should only be one result but I've punted on DRASHEL DASHER each way at 12s so it'll be champagne and caviar if he wins and steak and chips if he comes second. He's got proven course on track and ground but it's a big step up. Further afield, I've mentioned Doha but there's the small matter of the Saudi Cup meeting at Riyadh. The Saudi Cup goes for $10 million (US) or £7.3 million and is the world's richest horse race currently. It is run over 1800m on the Dirt. A full 14 go to post as you might expect with runners from the US and Europe taking on the locals. Three stand out to this observer, MISHRIFF was second in the Saudi Derby (of which more later) and then won the Jockey Club at Chantilly. He flopped in the heavy ground at Ascot in the autumn but comes here with the huge plus of course form. KNICKS GO won the Breeders Cup Mile and was an impressive winner of the Pegasus last time. He's my idea of the winner but the favourite is CHARLATAN from the Bob Baffert stable. This one won the Arkansas Derby by six lengths only to lose the race after returning a positive sample. He came back from a long break to win the Malibu at Santa Anita just after Christmas. You underestimate any of Bob Baffert's at your peril and he'll no doubt run close. On the undercard, July Cup winner OXTED runs in the 1200m Dirt Sprint but will do well to live with the crack Japanese sprinter MATERA SKY and SWITZERLAND who won well at Meydan last time. The Saudi Derby over 1600m on the Dirt looks dominated by Godolphin with the colt REBEL ROMANCE who won the UAE 2000 Guineas Trial taking on the 1000 Guineas winner SOFT WHISPER. The second most valuable race on the card, coming in at £1,074,000 to the winner is the 3000m handicap on the grass. 13 go headed by the top French stayer CALL THE WIND who will prefer this to 4000m in the Longchamp mud. He faces PRINCE OF ARRAN who was fourth in the Caulfield Cup and third in the Melbourne Cup and ran a fine trial for this at Kempton last time. SECRET ADVISOR represents Godolphin but I'm uncertain he is good enough for this and I'm more interested in SPANISH MISSION who looks an interesting each way contender with Ryan Moore (four winners at Lingfield last Saturday) on board.
    1 point
  10. tasman man

    Sales Time

    I hope you had some successful horses with champagne results on a beer budget. I probably talking extremes but the unexpected things especially injuries requiring an operation and rehab often blow any budget plan. But I talking must haves / hard to avoids on fall of hammer. Saw a thoroughbred invoice after sales recently and it Included Hammer fall plus GST , Insurance , 2x Entry fees for sales series , transport to agistment/breaker , foot trim/shoes remove and drench. Standardbred now....may be paid up for many series ,and vet test and x-rays may be presale but once hammer falls the costs start. Work on average of last weeks sale.......over $50k [ $55k for fillies] GST[ 15% ] plus Insurance and sundries like transport to breaker will immediately require $10 k . Agistment incl feeding and possibly gelding if a colt followed by breaking in will add another $10 k. The horse will need gear as it starts its training to to become a racehorse.......In my experience its close to a year in and out of training to decide if it is going to be a racehorse.......add a conservative $20 k. In recent times I've had shares[own and leased] in about 30 x harness horses and probably some 8 have simply not made it to qualifying after having this full experience ! An average of say $40 k in costs per horse down the dunny with maybe a little residual thru sale ! Plus in total , only about 8 have raced as 2 year olds ! My shares have been in both the North ,including Waikato and the South Island. Once trialling and qualifying the training fees are boosted by track fees ...say $170 month , regular shoeing , chiropractor , vitamins , dentist , transport , sundries plus the unexpected Vet fees . On the credit side once a horse starts racing it earns stakes and it is estimated that the average return is below 30%. A lot of horses are sold to recoup some $ and stop the bleeding. The odd Christian Cullen ,Changeover and Lazarus will emerge but for most owners winning races is very hard indeed and in harness where most Race stakes are between $8 -$12 k with the winner getting between $4500 and $7000 its a tough business. Hence many horses now in syndicates with a lot of owners ....running syndicates brings extra costs like Mgt fees ,accounting/audit etc. Big syndicates that want to guarantee or cap costs charge up to $40 per 1% a month suggesting that fees could be $4k per month and travel between the Islands will get that high . Thats my experience .....like in most things ,the thrill of a decent win is long remembered , maybe a photo on wall [ $170] too , long after the price is forgotten. As my old mate Tim Vince says 'If you want to make a small fortune from owning horses ,start with a large fortune !' OR as another wiseman told me.....Don't own a horse unless putting $40,000 k in a paper bag and setting fire to it wouldnt phase you one bit '....I think that number may have gone up !
    1 point
  11. Red Rum

    Goondiwindi

    Not a bad little debut I thought , nice tender ride . He will come on for that . Only born 2nd April 2018 . They must like him with a bit of money on tonight .
    1 point
  12. mikenz

    F---, Really?

    No email 4 me,if anybody knows my account number they are welcome to put funds in it ,and the TAB can put a bonus in as well.maybe I should message them seeking bonus.
    1 point
  13. chevy86

    Sales Time

    You obviously only have a 10% share of the horse? Costs $5-8K for say 2 months agistment, breaking and early education with starting gates etc. Generally with pre-training , agistment, vets, transport to trials etc, etc I've found it to be $25-30K per year so best you don't talk about the pony looking in your kitchen window 9 months of the year Nelli.
    1 point
  14. Aaron Bidlake

    F---, Really?

    Yep, whoever I got didn't win a free bet today, probably my luck whoever got mine won $1000
    1 point
  15. chelseacol

    Sales Time

    Yep it is a crazy economic model. Pretty marginal on the selling side too - for the first time I've got a small interest in one going through the ring. Interesting when you add up all the costs etc. Could've done without another week of it being looked after too !!
    1 point
  16. and yet Air NZ get hauled over the coals ......
    1 point
  17. I bet very sparingly but to me Cabella Noir was having it's third start from the Williamson barn. the first two being a second and a fourth so on the strength of that looked the proverbial 'shot's eye' and at bettert than $4 but I agree with Tasman Man, grass tracks and big fields make for a lot of variables.
    1 point
  18. Ivan ,you make a fair and valid point , but these grass track meetings seem very popular because they seen as not 'boring'. To my eye , often the order rarely changes and if on course the horses hard to see and usually no screen And of course horse often there for a picnic or day out to lose a rating point. And of course grass a great leveller. Your examples of form reversals contains a couple of 'easy explains' and a couple of head scratchers. Johhny Eyre ,tho getting older has now won 13 races and close to $150k.Drop back in class ,on the grass ...bingo. You will be aware horses often race with niggles/issues which can clear up while they race merely for fitness and to lose points.The system forces this to try and be competitive.Those close know this first...watch the tote ! Basic ! We had a horse who won a two horse race ,got usual 8 points ,had to then race 8 times out of first five to get back to 'its competitive grade'. As for the tipsters.....you highlight dismal efforts....I often take the picks with me to races and refer to them for a trials performer etc and often the tipsters do very well. You highlight their failures which I put down to haste, deadline hurdles or getting their mates to fill in ......as well as grass tracks being a great leveller and a different beast.
    1 point
  19. Blue

    Sales Time

    A quick count says there were 68 out of 130 that sold for $35K or less (incl passed lot reserves) so there's some reasonable buying out there. A couple sold for six figures doesnt really give a true picture.
    1 point
  20. JJ Flash

    Cynic1

    He has quite a few in on Friday and MP is not driving any of them. Tim and Olivia are on the HC horses although Mark has been engaged on a first starter from Steve Dolan's barn , hint-- get on
    1 point
  21. Uriah Heap

    Jacinda Ardern

    This gets my vote for "Most Brainless Rant of the Year"
    1 point
  22. Thanks Leigh and Dean for this. However once again my question is not answered....... What is the turnover on the low class racing from South America etc? They talk about about overseas racing that includes HK, Singapore and UK. I believe overseas punting will be heavily weighted to HK, Singapore and a little English racing. I wanted a breakdown on what is punted on the American racing, in particular South America racing. I cannot believe the figures on these events merit putting them on the screen. To me some one punting on a south American race with no form probably should not be the type of punters we are trying to entice. Whereas HK racing (world class, NZ horses and great time zone) has no form etc, this is crazy. It is a small pool of horses to track. The repetative ignoring of this question I think answers my question.
    1 point
  23. Sobeit

    F---, Really?

    Both account holders in this house got this email yesterday: Hi xxxx At TAB NZ we want our customers to have the best experience, and ensuring this requires that we make sure all customers are protecting their TAB credentials. We have reason to believe that customers with an xtra.co.nz email account are currently susceptible to having their TAB account security compromised. It is for this reason that we ask that you carefully review the below information , which sets out steps you can take to protect your account. Please remember to change your password regularly and don’t share it with anyone else. Make sure your password isn’t too short and avoid common words, words that are easy to guess, or are associated with you. Long passwords that are easy to remember are harder to guess than shorter passwords that contain a number. For example, “Ilikefriedchicken” would take many years of attempts for a computer to crack, but “Chicken1” could take just three weeks. Also, don’t repeat the same password that you use on other sites that contain your email address, financial information, or personal information. If you’re having trouble keeping track, you can manage your passwords on a Password Manager app. If you use the TAB app, remember to keep your phone safe by locking it and where possible, use two factor authentication. When entering any sensitive information on our website, look to the left of the URL (where you type the web address) and check there is a padlock icon. And finally, be wary of any unexpected emails that ask you to enter your details or click on a link. Check the website matches the organisation that sent you the email. By following these steps, you’re more likely to keep your TAB account safe. Please contact us if you have any questions or concerns about your account. If you have any security concerns regarding the security of your email account, please contact your email provider to ensure you know what steps to take to protect your email security. If you have any questions, feel free to contact our TAB Customer Services team, helpdesk@tab.co.nz Thanks, The TAB Team
    0 points
  24. barryb

    F---, Really?

    This is appalling & the letter via email to me is terrible. How many others are affected here?. The email I got was for Robert ------ & his account details etc.
    0 points