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Despite the advice that I always hand out of never engaging with an idiot I will reply to you Tasman Man No aggression at all, just a question which you answered in a roundabout way That reminds me, you promised to answer me as to why you would carry on business in a rented factory as opposed to one you owned, I'm still waiting. Be 2 months now, are you having troubles? I take exception to the '30 year' comment but then realise that you have no real idea, you just pulled a time frame out of the blue The train wreck that you believe I had an influence on? What influence do you believe I had? If you mean my family I would point out that they served on the NZRA, not the NZRIB, and things were not going downhill then but I doubt you would know that Who said I I long for the good old days? Where did I say I was resistant to change? Who said I couldn't see the train wreck? I thought most of my posts certainly make it obvious that I can see the train wreck I am all for change if it betters the industry, but as yet I haven't seen much action other than cost cutting from RITA that would better the industry. Perhaps you could enlighten me? Do you believe that running 75 meetings at Addington, on Friday/Sundays will result in a wave of new interest? Again, if you are referring to Marlborough, it is not my Club but if you think it is doomed then there can't be much hope for Nelson paying a huge rent, or a 'licence to occupy' as silly old Peter Malone called it can there? You asked what am I doing? Not a hell of a lot really as I have lost interest, plus I have to raise 2 teenagers and provide for 2 others, and in any case trying to fix the train wreck now is a little bit like applying to be Wilder's trainer before his second fight with Fury and missing out, then being asked to step in after 6 rounds of being knocked about and trying to resurrect the situation. Dean's finding that out I'd say Where have I ever encouraged any Club to take legal action? You are making things up as you go along I asked Stables and I will ask you, if Stratford paid for their own land pre-TAB days, and haven't received more than they generated from betting, then what right does Racing have to their assets moreso than the local Community? Try to stick to the point this time instead of making up false allegations as to my beliefs Mikie

I concur Whyisit...cut them adrift! Compare Stratford RC to Waverley RC (regular track and facility improvements, cash comfortable and still playing the game)...no self-appointed, self-absorbed, entitled, non-achieving relics there!

I sense a bit of aggro there Mikie , us Tasman men should be more collaborative but NZ racing just ain't like that ! Even tho an enthusiastic , unlike you an Industry bigwig , I think I am doing my bit. I try to spread the love re NZ racing........pay my bills to a few trainers and syndicates , and regularly attend meetings.A small bettor ,since lockdown I have increased my bets by 5 x times as I aware betting on NZ TAB is the lifeblood of the Industry. I think I do my bit...more than the average NZ racing follower .....though I stopped the bleeding just last week on my 'breeding' career. My breeding and partner and I sold our mare for $600.......she was carrying a $15k service fee and had four winners from 4 foals at races. One other died so she bred no complete duds. And what are you doing ,other than posting aggressively on social media ? You and those close to you have been big players in Racing during the steep decline of the industry over the past 30 years.....I sit and watch the train wreck you have been an influence on.Like many you seem to long for the good old days , resistance to change........why encourage the like of Stratford and Avondale to go to court to thwart the Industry [again !! as they have done previous to resist change ] Methinks some racing people have been so close to the Industry they can't see the train wreck ! Its kinda sad ! With your experience you should start with a clean sheet on how the Industry should progress to give it some hope of survival.....accept change is necessary. Sadly your club is probably doomed as one that holds TAB meetings in your home town ! 100 years.....a good innings !And you had the Ranfurly Shield once !

rdytdy's gone quiet

This situation highlights the shitfest that the governing bodies of NZ racing have set in motion . From the first mention of track closures , thru to the Messara report , the underlying theme has been about reducing track numbers as we were seen as having too many , and i agree , but somewhere along the line someone upon high get the idea that these facilities actually belong to the industry as a whole . The idea being that the sale of said tracks would give a small pot of gold to the industry . But i keep asking why does the industry need this pot of gold , simply put , Serious Mismanagement . This pot of gold would fill the glaring hole in the industry funds that has pissed against the wall with as series of ill thought out and poorly managed ideas . The industry bodies have propagated the myth that the cost of maintaining all the tracks we have was a drain on the industry or put another way " sucking the industry dry " . I have yet to get a succinct and clear answer to the one question i and many others keep asking of the those that believe that the industry is being sucked dry , SHOW ME THE FIGURES ? . Even NZTR can produce any numbers to back their claim . They have now withdrawn dates to some clubs under the rouse of them being too expensive for owners to travel their horses to , yet we still have Ruakaka and Riverton with dates , go figure . We now have an industry that is at odds with itself , clubs having dates withdrawn for daring to stand their ground , others threatening legal action . Avondale back racing with 5 dates for next season by agreeing to a consultation process , but does anyone really believe they are going to relinquish their track and funds . My point is that this has all been poorly handled from racings management , they have for many years now treated lesser clubs with contempt , taking previously prime date and highly successful racedays , Stratford's New Years eve meeting was always a successful day for racing as a whole as well as the local community . Why would these lesser clubs ever feel like they belonged to one big happy industry , yet are now are be told for the betterment of their industry they should relinquish their assets . This all could have been managed a lot more professionally and still can . I favour all raceday venue tracks being given a set of KPI's that they must maintain to remain a viable . No if's or but's , no maybe's , you fail to fulfill the brief your gone . Obviously some of the KPI's would be the obvious such as track standard , turnovers and facilities . What all the KPI's would be is for others to decide , but , they must cover all tracks , no discrimination . My only worry there is , having seen the state of some tracks of our bigger clubs since resumption , would they be up to standard . I'm sure others have ideas that could solve these issues , but simply putting a gun to a clubs head isn't the solve . They say " for the betterment of the whole industry ", then the whole industry needs to be part of the solution and work together to find a solution . Not just bully , these clubs have a history that is part of our racing fabric and they should treated with such disdain . If MR B SAUNDRY isn't telling pork pies and that this is not about the "money " , then this should be easier to solve than the industry turning on each other .

Why is the Govt involved in anything to do with racing anyway? Who runs the All Blacks? Formula 1 ? FIFA? NRL? AFL? Yet you can have a multiple of bets on all of them! FFS, Racing is the only sport named above that has a “Racing Minister” and has a Racing Act of Parliament. Why is there no All Blacks Act? America’s Cup Act? Hockey Act? Etc etc. Horse Racing should be set up and run by Racing People with govt having nothing to do with it. They fuck up everything they put their grubby fingers into. Racing only needs itself. It can utilise/facilitate offshore betting for a fee - and govt have nothing to do with it!

Just type tab.co.nz into you search bar and it will work. Pin or save this into your favs and delete your old saved one.

Be like the market gardener, on a good celery.

I agree. Much improved. Not much point in rubbishing it just because you want the old site back or you want a different site customised to your exact personal preferences, as neither is going to happen. I think we should all be happy that it's improved and if you can think of anything that can be done to improve it further, give Des a ring on Sunday and share it with the other listeners and Des will make sure he passes any good suggestions onto the TAB for further consideration.

Agreed, Greg looks after himself first and foremost. Novice work by NZMTC to hire him IMHO cos the only outcome will be negative in the long term Greg

Much improved for me. Pre-update, when going from one race to another at the same meeting and then back, the first race wouldn't load the second time. No such problem now. The colours make everything easier on the eye as mentioned. The font change to make a lower case "A" easier to distinguish from an "O" - while probably not a big deal to most people - is a big deal for me. I'm having no problems right now with slow loading, nor any problems on the live sports page. It'll be interesting to see how the site goes on a busier day.

I think they have an answer Leggy, but it just doesn't suit them Reading your posts gives me some hope for this site, but not a lot Mikie

And that heavy handed , hamfisted attitude is what has brought the industry to this current position . Some would say a very draconian attitude .

5 Bucks !!!!! Saturday's book was only $3 bucks !...free to Members ! Fantastic it was too......attendees on the day go to see the 'live racing' so don't want to be at Ellerslie and see a field from Gawler , America or even Caulfield ,when they turn a page! Great to have the meetings at back of book [no America] with the Aussie racing showing quite a few facts,figures and colours. The Riccarton races had that plus a comment on most horses. As to the main purpose of the book Ellerslie ,it had a map of course facilities , plus all food options ,plus a guide to betting ,how to do it plus cost and percentages. It had a list of Jockeys and their mounts ,ditto trainers. It had a summary of all fields at front of book with pool options to bet into it. It had a speed map for 7 races. And it had picks , as well as comments on all horses ..and stats for last 3 starts including trials.! Anyone who took note of picks ,consulted with MGuerins editorial in Herald and Teds tips on BGP ,would have done very well.....as many did ! I've read hundreds of complaints in recent years re the track ,the coffee ,the choice of beer , the choice of champagne ,the loud music ,the commentator , too crowded, too empty ,too many young ones , too many old buggers,the suits ,the white coats , the JCA , the jockeys , the security , the marketing , the signage,the ticket sellers, the SST etc etc, But this is a first.......the race book ! I doubt if there is a better one anywhere !

Don't panic I'm here and no doubt rdtdy will be a very happy chappy as well . comrade cindy got just 36.89% of the vote and was appointed the Nat's will fly that number then add in Act , game on

Under results, click time period custom. Under from click back to jan 15 as that’s as far back as you can go, then click today’s date in the to box and you will get all your bets this year.

Under resulted bets change the search to last 3 months and click search. bottom right of page will show next, click that to load the next page.

It's kind of unfortunate that the website hasn't gone that well.a lot of the negatives lately are probably caused by people betting on other sites or not betting at all, less revenue then covid then boom .no radio.some sackings and a trimmed down version of trackside,it must have cost a lot to run all these services,the tv coverage is adequit(excuse spelling) maybe it was overdoing it cost wise,the radio they had was as good if not better than radio sport without the live sport commentaries,having good radio that's easy to access is the thing that would increase interest and probably turnover...one only has to see the influence newstalk can have to emphasize the value of radio.you could reduce a lot of the stuff on tv if it was a cost saver,but no radio is dumb.

You might have an old version cached which isn't loading properly. Try ctrl+shift+r on Chrome for a hard refresh of the page, or ctrl+shift+delete in any browser to delete (some/all of) your cache.

Maybe the results before the race would be a real improvement,lots on tv telling us what they think will happen,a lot different to what actually happens

It should have come as no surprise to anyone, Greg knew he would be looked after when he left the TAB

It’s “All about the money and always has been the case”. The problem has been the “waste and mismanagement”.

ANOTHER GREAT POST FROM NOMATES!

On the face of things...its an improvement. Better graphics interface and seems speedier. However it is still very hard to wrap up a pile of and call it chocolate!

You've had plenty of opportunity for that discussion Barry, please focus on your hypocrisy at this point.

Take Levin as an example of a non racing outfit hugely used for jump outs. Its fine for that but not Racing as it would need untold on facilities. New Plymouth would be best for racing motorbikes and the futures not it. ideally get rid of all the 'Naki tracks and put a greenfields in at inglewood area. Pull together not apart you clowns! Show some vision. Leave Waverley as it is a sand track and the good old cockies pull their fingers out.

The Govt sure have - but they have absolutely nothing to do with running the event or regulating it etc. they support it with $ because it’s good for the economy (supposedly) in much the same way the Comm Games or Olympic Games receive funding. Why is there a Minister for Racing? Why is there a Racing Act? Is there a Rugby Act?

First iv'e heard , if they have that was their tool to use , but that has never been raised as the reason for withdrawal of dates or wanting tracks to close . Perhaps that is because it might cause issues when some bigger clubs have issues with complying with those KPI's .

Sports like rugby ,in fact most sports in NZ come under a crown entity called Sport NZ which receives significant funding and there is a Minister of Sport.Currently he other things like Minister of Finance and deputy PM. You a bit tough on out Govt ,who have historically treated Racing as 'special' ,a unique part of NZ culture and community.Of course the tax take has had special interest to them ,along with the jobs and the international recognition. But not now.....other than Winston the current politicians care little about racing ,in fact some despise it.The racing industry blames the run of poor Ministers while these poor ministers are frankly amazed that racing has constantly shot itself in foot even though it has been in serious decline for well over 30 years. NZ racing has resisted change etc etc ....I guess when the Govt needed to bail us out for $72.5 mil recently , their position somewhat vindicated. Meanwhile Racing is still often in headlines for wrong reason , Inca simmers away , Messara report largely ignored , Clubs threaten to go to court [again] . Even in your beloved Aussie ,the government often is called in to bail out or boost the Industry which of course is massively bigger and more loved. Plus the grubby little fingers seemed to have handled Co-vid issue to many folks satisfaction . You will be pleased that your club has been prudent with its investments and club affairs .......if you contributed hugely to that ,well done. Ellerslie seemed to be able to progress in many areas when most others have faltered !

At a brief glance it is much sharper to look at,hopefully it works a lot sharper.

Watched one in action at the Pub Wouldn't take one $20 note despite being inserted 4 different ways, then screwed up and tried again Machine then accepted a different note, then happily accepted the 1st one By then they had jumped so the poor guy ended up with a Voucher, he didn't want another bet, he did want a drink but couldn't pay with one with his Voucher FFS Mikie

It has actually improved over the morning, so can't be as harsh.

The whole is greater than the sum of its parts

2020 is slowly coming to an end and yet people with ideas from the 1930s are getting a lot of press coverage.

Over here it's called "flapping" and it happens a lot in the greyhound community. There have been flapping horse race meetings and as you say any licensed professional found to have involvement would be looking at a lengthy ban if caught. It would matter if the Stratford breakaway started a tidal wave of clubs breaking from the current system and setting up effectively an independent horse racing body.At some point, NZTR would have to come to terms with the rebels and the central question would be the one I've often raised on here and other NZ racing forums - "who owns the product?" In the UK, the arrangement basically is the racecourses get income from the crowds (in normal times) and from "selling" the races to the media through the agreements they have with the two specialist racing channels and the off-course bookmakers.The British Horseracing Authority (BHA) sets the framework of the fixture list so x meetings on a Monday, y meetings on Tuesday etc and the courses fill in the gaps. Meetings over and above the "requirement" have to be self-funded. As I see it, Stratford couldn't "sell" its racing to the TAB under the current arrangement. That then begs the more difficult question as to the demand for the product. In the UK, we can get British (obviously), Irish, French and South African races in the day and the evening is made up of domestic sport in the summer and American action all the year round. Hong Kong racing is early for the betting shops even though many of these now open at 8am (and two Irish dog tracks start meetings at 8.10 during the week for the early business). Aussie racing is shown through the night on one of the specialist channels and you can play the exchanges at all hours. The time difference makes the showing of NZ racing in UK shops difficult but there are other markets in the Middle East and Japan which may be amenable to taking coverage and that'show you sell the product. I mean, you could start a meeting at 9am in the winter on an artificial surface and it would be an 8pm the previous summer evening in the UK and 7pm in Europe. That's how NZTR has to be thinking - selling the NZ product in an already crowded global racing marketplace.

This post is spot on. Trying to feed notes into the bloody thing is frustrating. Then navigating between screens takes a while - interrupted at the beginning by it then bringing up a screen saying you just deposited $20 about 30 seconds after the money went in. Which I was aware I had done without being told !! Then large fields don't appear on one screen (WTF) etc etc etc - they are absolute dogs. Thank goodness we still have tote staff on course for those who don't use the phone.

Very sad and I hope Todd is well and fine Tough gig to knock over JA who has stolen a huge lead with her kindness platform which people want. Attacking style Todd was showing was always going to cost, we ain't in the Muldoon era. Irrelevant what JAs policies are as she wins on the be kind platform JA probably has 6 more years, possibly 9 if she wants it but I think the UN will grab her for a hugely significant world leading role within 5 years as she is a genuine international leader with the correct make up of people care