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I do chuckle how they Trump themselves up .a jakleberry horse won today.75k at th ready to run.with gst I'm guessing up to 110 to 120 k so far.probably 5k to the owners .after a training bill for the month probably in the 3 to 4 region 150 bucks every 10 percent share.i am 8nterested to know if Fortuna take a cut or do they charge a management fee. Let's hope it will excel over ground in the future.it will need to if it's going to go to pay for itself. We all know lots unlikely any horse will pay but I'm not sure if the syndicates should get the praise and tv exposure they do. The tv guys are all over them. Of course never seem to ask how much they paid for them.

Personally I'd would rather be in an m Pittman syndicate as above.he is a hero.

I'm just questioning putting them up on a pedestal.they r in it for one reason.the volume of horses syndicated by our main syndicates is pretty big .hardly any pay their way.as soon as they have a winner the media seem to flock to them. i asked do syndicates take management fees or get a cut and also thought it was a fair question to ask them what they paid for a horse. I guess melody belle is great example.of course the same stable paid 2.2 million for 0ne a while ago at it won 30 bucks,don't c the media buzzing around them then. As for the rotorua winner today.i wouldn't say it was headed much further.hhope for owners I'm wrong of course. Maybe if we got dollars back to the investors compared to dollars spent my guess it would make mainzeal a better investment. All I'm saying don't make heroes out of these guys.

Get the pins out folks

You know the odds Tim. Sundicators are salesmen and members want a share in a horse, sometime 10 people take a 5 or 10% share, spend $100 a month which they don't miss and get a kick out of seeing it race or getting a photograph on the wall. It's called " business" but you already know this.

Race 5 today at Rotorua. From Barrier one in those famous colours. Great commentary by that gifted Commentator.Terrific camera work ! Fantastic leg action by Jake. Lasted 9 seconds. Didnt need the pickup pony. What a kid !! Sir Peter Tims had one go a furlong bucking. Earl would bail out quickly. who could blame him? Rocket Linda Ballentyne would kick them and usually stay on. Trudes had a few who have regretted bucking in a race ever since. Tony McGovern will remember a few more. The race should be here. https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201903%2f20190320ROTO05_BB.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d720%26h%3d400%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201903%2f20190320ROTO05_BB.jpg&r=Race+5+-+ISCL+1560&rs=1

All good the original post is that tv and press seem to think these syndicates are god. They ain't and some have no scruples.horses are sold and land in places like .hk at a price that far exceeds what the shareholders receive for their share. Queensland derby from a midweek 1200 at rotorua. Could happen .u could get a great price now.grab it.

I think the point many of you are missing is that most who get involved in syndicates are not in it for the money , they just want an interest in a horse and the chance of competing at the highest level . Buying into the better bred horses improves the chances of getting to the big time , they just want a bit of fun and if they strike the right horse something to chat about . As for Jackleberry , he's in with a chance , two promising filly in the oaks and others , he's a horse that's bred to stay .

Very good advice, anyone who gets into racing for the money, are barking up the wrong tree, if your lucky to have a win or two, the first question most non racing people ask, is how much money do you get.

Nothing they have ever done has been a success, thank Christ we have some good people in our Racing industry, the new site is bloody terrible and those at the coal face will pay in the long term

Tim, I’m not here to defend Syndicators. There are successful and unsuccessful syndications in racing, some involving large Syndicates whilst others involve small numbers. Redzel, Melody Belle, etc are notable successful ones. But any entry into racing is for “interest” unless you’re a breeder. Don’t go in to make money. Go in for the interest. This applies particularly in NZ and Australia. Some work some don’t. So I think your criticism based on your opening remarks is probably a little unfair to Syndicators.JMHO

I don't much care either way but it's odd that after all the initial knee jerk reaction and media hype all those involved appear to be going about their daily business as they were before.

The Crown case review hearing set down for March 25 has been postponed.

Was only the horse's second start Tim to be fair after running second at his debut. On the other hand you make no mention of the same syndicator also having Melody Belle syndicated. Purchased $57,500. Won $1,625,406.00 Go Racing had the winner of the Oaks on Saturday so some of them are going pretty well wouldn't you say.

The stride is lining up again this week at HQ so we can all go again except methinks the TAB here will no longer be offering the opening 3.50 despite 2nd row draw. They are great fields this week , the best for ages and plenty for everyone to enthuse over unless your the grumpy negative type Greg

Media’s new moral crusade by GP Photoshopped image credit: SadButTrue This act of murderous terrorism in New Zealand was a dreadful crime against innocent people praying in their mosques. It has clearly shocked the nation. It has shocked me; in fact, in some sense, it has disoriented me. My disorientation is due to the quick knee jerk politicisation of this crime by political and cultural commentators and what they dare to say about white people like me. They seem to ask me, as a white person, to consider myself inherently complicit in this crime. They talk about colonialist white supremacy, racism and the need to stamp out unwelcome ideas. It is true that the idea that one race is superior to another is wrongheaded and should be refuted. However some, like Dame Anne Salmond, would have no trouble joining the dots between New Zealand white people who might consider Mozart better than the musical forms of Maori culture, and the murderous gunman. If they are able to stamp out every idea they despise (now morally labelled as racism), they will have built a new tyranny and our democracy will no longer be free. Clearly this horrendous crime is a handy tool by which to launch a moral campaign against white people with apparent notions of ‘superiority’. These new moral crusaders advance the rhetoric against colonialist, white, ‘pale, male and stale’ New Zealanders, and, even as one psychologist suggested, all young European men, who are, I guess, left behind in the march for progress. In fact, they might throw anyone society readily associates with ‘the right’ under the bus of this crime in order to cleanse us of it. This is absurd. Why this terrorist did what he did cannot be simply reduced to right-wing racism. He left a manifesto that clearly supports both right- and left-wing interpretations. It is full of propaganda that can be cherry picked by any interest group. The media are busy promoting cherry-picked interpretations which fit the new moral crusade on racial lines. In the media we read that Trump is blamed. However, the shooter was both ‘yes and no’ on Trump. The shooter was anti-Muslim. Clearly, yes, for he murdered Muslims in mosques. However, religion was not a motive for he had no religious crusade of his own and did not claim a religious point of view. However, he did not equivocate on population replacement. His manifesto was ‘The Great Replacement’. Common garden right-wing racism does not quite explain his deed, for he utterly rejected conservatism and admired especially a black commentator and the People’s Republic of China. Then he trolled into all sorts. Ultimately he defined himself as an eco-fascist. Eco-fascism was the environmental lens through which he viewed the West (his ethno-nationalism) and hence his interpretation of the Great Replacement theory. Thus, China got it right, no doubt, with its population policies. It seems that what bothered this terrorist most about the presence of Muslims in Europe was their fertility, the number of children they had. He states that this was the trigger. The Muslim immigrants had young families whereas the native French were single people, alone with older or few children. My point is this: this terrorist does not simply represent the crude racism and white supremacy of those primarily concerned about the arrangement of melanin within national borders, or notions of religious purity intent on expunging Islam entirely from western shores. For these are old and familiar ideas and the ideas of the world have changed because of environmental concerns. Rather he gathers up the old and familiar bad ideas and reconceptualises them within eco-fascism. Muslims, he believes, represent over-fertile populations which always threaten the West. As such, he seems to be as much a product of the left as the right. Those politicising this despicable crime should think more deeply about the complexities around this terrorist act. This shooter declares he was first a communist, then an anarchist and then an eco-fascist-ethno-nationalist. I do not begin to understand such thinking, but crude common garden notions of white racism dished up by some commentators dishonour the full explanation these victims deserve about why their loved ones were gunned down while praying in their mosques.

Our Crystal Dee was out of Marlene Dee, which was out of Gay Marlene which was also the dam of Thriller Dee

Thriller Dee springs to mind as one of the first trotters I used to follow. Always went a good race. Any connection e;jay.

Trans national software companies operate on the basis of farming out the boring nitty gritty tasks to various countries where they can pay the programmers a fraction of what it would cost say in the US, UK, Australia, New Zealand. Here is an informed guess what happened. Open Bet already had their sports betting system running in various sports betting outfits. THey knew that for NZ it made no sense that NZ would buy their system and knew it was a forgone conclusion TABCORP was the logical partner. Therefore they threw in a ridiculous bid with some propaganda on how innovative they were, (They weren't their system was developed in the 1990's). Maybe there were some backhanders (bribes) maybe not. Nevertheless the NZ Racing Board took up their offer (along with PaddyPower for the odds) which was substantially higher than Tabcorp's bid. Going with a higher bid should have been queried at every level. All those who should have spoken up and didn't must no longer have any say in racing.

A lot of the small fields are a result of administrative incompetence rather than a shortage of horses. Everytime you programme seven races rather than ten races you are eliminating dozens of horses who don't have a suitable race. Trainers looking for a 65 1,200m don't suddenly say "oh well, we will just race in the 82 1,600m instead". The reason there was no SI representation in the Derby or Oaks is because there hasn't been a 3yo race in the SI further than 1,600m this season, and only one over 1,600m since Cup Week. These are certainly trying times for Racing around the world, but a lot of the problems facing Racing in NZ are down to incompetence. Racing in NZ will never be rescued by people with no interest in it or commitment to it.

Thats what i have heard as well, some have a better chance of achieving that outcome than others simply because of the nature/severity of the charges.

I think the issue of diversion is under consideration for 2 of the cases. Lawyers and Police will be discussing this in the meantime.