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  1. 3 points
    poundforpound

    Sales Washup

    Speed, speed and more speed.....who can blame them, it’s what the market wants....but is it what the great days of NZ Racing were built on ? Personally I’d far sooner race or breed stayers ( and before someone attacks me on my yearling purchases, they were just RTR turnovers )
  2. 2 points
    MalcolmH

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    Totally agree with you JJ Flash! A couple of months ago I took 2 young friends to my local meeting to watch my horse race as a treat for them. We weren't allowed to actually go near the horse as they hadn't done the required course to enter the stabling area (thankfully the trainer brought him over to the barrier so the boys could pat him) The facilities were dirty and run down and the majority of signage was to let you know that you were in an area of great hazards! The food offering was minimal and over priced and there was absolutely nothing to entice you to want to go back although in saying that the racing was good as was the quality of the horses.Young people get bored very quickly and they need stimulation sadly not a lot of this was on offer. Like it or not the younger crowd are the ones we have to look to to keep the sport going wether it be by betting or ownership. It doesn't have to centre around drinking but we do have to make it enticing - family days,competition both on and off the track like the brothers in arm series that Oamaru run or the inter provincial series that Invercargill run. Involve some celebrities or local stars (god know most of them would turn up at the opening of a paper bag if their was publicity involved) but most of all make in interesting.
  3. 2 points
    JJ Flash

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    Back to the original topic, why is it that clubs refuse to make any real effort to get young people back on course. You see them all turn up at Cup week for example yet no-one is there promoting the club and racing post those events. Where are the Apps and the inducements to get them back on track on other dates. For me , all clubs should have mandatory under 30 areas with lots of promos . Bands , reasonably priced F and B as well as say a few easy bets to help the newbies. Greg
  4. 2 points
    You make the same points i made earlier. this is a club race programming issue
  5. 2 points
    thrillsnspills

    ALEX PARK EAT YOUR HEART OUT

    So True Iraklis ha ha no wounder I didn't pass S. C. ENGLAND Ha ha Ha Ha mind u I probably pass it today cause u not allowed to fail anyone anymore
  6. 1 point
    Breeder

    Sales Washup

    Agree Poundforpound ---effectively competing directly with the Aussies. Not sure that is a good strategy but it is their money, who am I to argue with the move. Another thing I read earlier is there is a rumour floating around that they may move the Melbourne Premier sale to the end of January --directly competing with Karaka.
  7. 1 point
    Stables

    M House Bonanza

    The goal is not really Palmerston North, but group racing, that's where the money is, but still a very pleasant result for Michael House and I hope it continues at Addington and Alexandra Park
  8. 1 point
    While there is a chronic shortage of horses in the North it is impossible to have like v like so all horses are competitive. The main race at Auckland this week has a 71 horse and a 76 rated horse racing Group 1 horse Jacks Legend [ rated 100+] in a mobile start. Whats the point in this. My own recent experience is that this type of situation has led to two horses I had shares in being sold overseas when personally I was OK with them battling away trying to find races where they had a chance which was often away out of the area where the owners are. When you own less than 50% you go with the majority. With the high costs involved most folk these days bail out particularly when races canned ,and this even happens with 2 yr old races. My two horses had both won about 6 races ,and rated over 70 which would pit them v Jacks Legend this week. Prior to that another 2 horses I had a small share in won 4 and 7 races mostly on the grass and were basically uncompetitive on hard surfaces so they too finished up. [One sold to Aussie]One was still rated 59 after maybe one third in lowly race in last 15 starts. Owners like to see their horses in a race with some chance.....its an expensive hobby for most.
  9. 1 point
    tim vince

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    I see part of the problem clogging up system is no pints for placings 5 seconds and 5 6ths is the same as 5 lasts. Surely they shouldn't be the same.
  10. 1 point
    thrillsnspills

    ALEX PARK EAT YOUR HEART OUT

    But to be fair to her Iraklis 2 races in 6 days or less was a bit much adding in the travel so even great trainers can get things a bit wrong as she went mighty in ozzie
  11. 1 point
    Daveski

    Free Speed maps

    The Fixed Odds issue is now fixed :-) Thanks to NZRB staff for the assistance.
  12. 1 point
    Breeder

    Sales Washup

    I read where another group of Kiwis are setting up a stallions syndicate ( Lib Patenga, Waikato Stud , Windsor Park and few other individuals). Bruce Perry bought a Brazen Beau yesterday in Sydney for A$500k to go with an I Am Invincible he bought at Karaka. Good luck to them !
  13. 1 point
    lamour

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    I think the problem Tim is that the rating system is not being used the way it was designed for. For instance, at Oamaru this weekend there are about 16 pacers rated 40 - 42.but instead of putting on a race for those horses they get mixed in, in several races, with horses up to rating 50. What is the point of having horses drop back to a rating 40 if they don't get to race against other horses of a similar rating.. If the club had carded a rating 40 -42 they would have easily had the numbers for a full field and created an opportunity that would result in 3 horses filling a place that will always struggle otherwise. They could have made 3 sets of owners very happy. Not to knock Oamaru specifically as all clubs not using the system properly in my opinion.
  14. 1 point
    thrillsnspills

    ALEX PARK EAT YOUR HEART OUT

    I see they are quick to disqualify you if your gate is not good or you gallop unlike here where we hitch and fumble around like a wobbly wheel barrow
  15. 1 point
    Archer

    Boys get Paid

    I suppose we will all see what happens after four or five big losses, this being an industry where, not letting Joe know, is what its all about ! I wish them well, but if I had a winner, i would send them and everyone else the other way ...............................
  16. 1 point
    Red Rum

    Boys get Paid

    Look to be fair TN being honest if I was in strife I might head along to that lawyer and spend a bit of time at reception fumbling through my old paper booklet diary sorting my next meeting and not worrying about nit picking the bill.
  17. 1 point
    tim vince

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    One of the worst betting win pools of all time was when elsu won a big race Auckland,cup interdomsnot sure.his dominance put people of betting that race.if we follow the logic of good horses means good betting look at Auckland turnovers compared to a grass meeting on a Saturday.mot methven whatever.i haven't looked but I would bet the latter are much bigger.turnover is the lifeblood of the industry.
  18. 1 point
    Fartoomuch

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    Could you ever possibly accept that some 40 rated horses are at their highest rating at that point and will never get any better. Thus they have a chance in say rating 35-40 races and continue to race for their owners and punters alike cos they still have a chance to earn stake money. Without that sort of option you either sack them or flog them off to Oz
  19. 1 point
    thrillsnspills

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    For trotters I say get rid of the tape, this is such a prehistoric way of starting, do lights laser anything but a bloody tape and don't give me the crap about educate your horse,( then lets all be on the unruly the whole 16 odd of them wouldn't that be fun to see ha ha ) horse don't go near the tape it bites but go to the races and you gotta get close if i was a horse Id say bugger off..
  20. 1 point
    Peter Jenkins

    Dundeel

    Thanks Maria. Yes I actually suggested DD to John Messara after Dundeel won his maiden at Ellerslie. Service fee will be determined by the market. We are fairly conservative with our pricing as we only discount for multiple bookings. Fee will be set at Easter. Plenty of water to flow under the bridge before then. The attachment shows where Dundeel is at now compared to where Snitzel was at the same stage of his career.
  21. 1 point
    Nelli

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    The current rating system favours slow R40 horses, which as an owner and breeder I find disillusioning. Goodness knows how punters think. Somehow we must do more to foster our young and better horses so they are profitable to race in NZ. Eg I part own a sound honest trotter who is stuck on a R100+ rating even though he hasn't paid a dividend since Feb 2018. He's costing us to race as 4th and 5ths in Group races don't cover training costs and nomination fees. I don't mind the rating as that's the class he is: what gets me is having to be handicapped behind and being beaten by horses earning much more than him but because place earnings don't count, the handicaps stay the same. It would make economic sense to sell him. I believe those putting race fields together should make more use of conditions that take into account recent earnings. Eg have race nominations for 60-70 band horses but have field splits/draws/hcps based on earnings in last 5 starts. This would mean a horse with a string of 'Auckland' placings could get handicapped or start in harder fields relative to an out of form or 'Cambridge' horse. A novice winner would not automatically get the worst preferential draw against a field of seasoned multi win horses. Having more conditioned racing throughout NZ may even allow the rating system to be simplified and become more transparent for punters, owners and trainers.
  22. 1 point
    horseboy

    Boys get Paid

    No one has demanded anything. Any rebate would be at the discretion of any club once they have weighed the commercial considerations. Any private outfit is absolutely within their rights to ask or open a dialogue about commercial deals with race clubs. If owners want a better deal maybe they should organize themselves and demand it. What the f*** does a 'true racing supporter' mean! For someone who bemoans the left wing of politics you sure like to throw around alot of anti free market group think.
  23. 1 point
    Diver Dan

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    Get rid of the whips - no place for it these days I took a couple of teenagers to Alex Park 2 years ago - they don't want to go back because of this.
  24. 1 point
    Fartoomuch

    Make Harness Racing Great Again

    Get HRNZ to develop a coherent business plan in conjunction with NZRB or its successor if one occurs post Messara report and MAC recommendations. More penalty free races for juniors More F and M races with tighter ratings bands A re-look at rating system taking into account different quality of horses competing at the various venues i.e metrop versus country
  25. 1 point
    Phantom

    Streaming trackside radio

    Yep. The website is an embarrassment, whatever it cost, as is their decision to out-source the fixed odds. All side effects of having management who do not understand the industry they are in. They've got to get people who understand betting in decision making positions, not post office workers, bankers, lawyers or PR consultants. It sounds so obvious and yet the Board seem to persist in hiring people from outside the industry who would not get a job (any job) in any other betting agency.