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  1. final luca

    Johnson v Johnson

    chris, over the years in my view has been one of the all time greats.. he has been picked on by those in power and had heaps of suspensions some deserved some just so those people can show everyone who's the boss.. he would and still can put a lot of riders here and Australia to shame.. such is his class. but i'm only one opinion.. I never the less will be very proud of chris Johnson when he is at the top of the leader board come the last race in july Danielle Johnson is very good as well but there will be no deserving rider like chris Johnson to gain the championship.
    7 points
  2. PEDIGREE “In the Northern Hemisphere, Galileo was supported by quality mares from day one. Here he at best got the second-tier mares.” - Nick Williams, of Macedon Lodge, home to several talented imported Galileos “It has to be the mares he got down here compared to the Northern Hemisphere. There is no other way to explain it.” -Troy Corstens, co-trainer of Galileo’s Stradbroke Handicap winner Linton “The genetic make-up of our broodmare band - there is so much speed tracing back for generations.” - William Inglis’ Jonathan D’Arcy So let’s take a look at the broodmare sires out of whose daughters Galileo has sired multiple stakes winners. They are: Air Express, Alysheba, Anabaa, Danehill, Danehill Dancer, Darshaan, Diesis, Dr Fong, Erins Isle, Grand Lodge, Green Desert, Indian Ridge, Intikhab, Kaldoun, Kingmambo, Kris, Kris S, Last Tycoon, Machiavellian, Mark Of Esteem, Mozart, Nashwan, Nureyev, Pennekamp, Pivotal, Rainbow Quest, Red Ransom, Shirley Heights, Silver Hawk, Spectrum, Ri Pekan, Storm Cat, Stravinsky Of this list, only Danehill had significant numbers of daughters visit Galileo in both hemispheres, not surprising since he was his stud mate at Coolmore. Frankel is the headliner for the Galileo/Danehill cross in Europe, one that has produced another 39 black-type runners with an outstanding stakes winner ratio of 21.5 percent. Of those 40 stakes winners, three were Australian-bred, the only one successful on Australian soil being the listed winner Banc de Fortune. Galileo served mares by Danehill on around 50 occasions in Australia. While this cross has been disappointing in this part of the world, it can be said in Galileo’s defence that much of his success in the Northern Hemisphere has been with mares from lines that have had much more influence there than here. For example, his strike rates with mares by Air Express, Alysheba, Darshaan, Dr Fong, Erins Isle, Indian Ridge, Kingmambo, Kris, Kris S, Mark Of Esteem, Mozart, Nashwan, Pennekamp, Pivotal and Silver Hawk are impressive - but these are not names commonly seen in Australia or New Zealand. The only broodmare sire to have produced multiple Galileo stakes winners in Australasia is Last Tycoon (Sousa, Saint Minerva, Jacquinot Bay) while mares by Diesis (Sixties Icon/Gallant Tess), Grand Lodge (Sword Fighter/Lightinthenite), Intikhab (Found, Best In The World, Magical Dream/Igugu), Red Ransom (Ard Na Greine/Mahbooba), Stravinsky (Rip Van Winkle, Easter/Sea Galleon) have produced Galileo stakes winners bred in Europe and Australasia. So did Galileo get more of a chance from his Irish base than from his Australian one? There is no doubt that an Epsom Derby winner - or any winner of a staying race for that matter - garners more respect in Europe. However, Galileo was well supported, serving 720 mares during his five years in Australia, an average of 144 per season. He served mares by a wide variety of stallions, both sprinting- and staying-bred, though there is no doubt he did better with the latter. He served, for example, mares by sprinting influence Rory’s Jester on around 20 occasions. This cross yielded ten runners, none of whom were stakes-performed. It’s a similar story with mares by other winners of the Golden Slipper; Galileo was visited by mares by Marscay, Luskin Star, Canny Lad, Catbird, Flying Spur, Danzero, Star Watch, Marauding and Vain. In total, 40 runners and just the one stakes winner, the 2400m listed winner Luvuleo, out of the Marscay mare Luvscay. When mated with mares by stallions bred for a bit more stamina, Galileo did sire the Australian stakes winners Tanby (dam by Danewin), Sertorius (Encosta de Lago) Niwot (Noble Bijou), Spacecraft (Octagonal), Galizani (Zabeel), Personify (Jade Hunter) and Sea Galleon (Stravinsky). Meanwhile Linton, Reprisal, Discorsi (from mainly a sprinting family but has the Melbourne Cup winner Silver Knight as his third dam sire), Dance To The Stars and Galizani have staying influence. The latter, a dual listed winner over 1900m and 2400m, is out of a mare by Zabeel, who you would think, all things being equal, was made for Galileo. Not only is he also a classic stallion, he is out of a mare by Nureyev, 3/4 brother to Galileo’s sire Sadler’s Wells. However, of the 16 Galileo runners out of Zabeel mares, Galizani is the sole stakes winner. So, while Galileo was supported by a fair whack of mares by sprinting sires, he did also have a chance with those with some stamina as well. Again he underperformed compared to the stellar job he has done in the Northern Hemisphere. Of course, looking at broodmare sires is only part of the story and Galileo did stand in the Hunter Valley where breeders have for generations been fine tuning their families for precocious speed. Success can of course also be about perception. If we don’t compare the Australian Galileo to the European one, he fared well. As Nick Williams noted: “His statistics are pretty similar to a stallion like Northern Meteor, who served a similar number of mares.” As noted, Galileo served 720 mares in five years. Northern Meteor (who ranks world #118 in TRC Global Rankings) in four seasons served 622. Galileo’s Australian stakes winner ratio sits at 5.8 percent, Northern Meteor’s is 4.02 percent. The latter, however, did have six G1 winners. Galileo, as already discussed, had three. TRAINING “In the Northern Hemisphere, Galileo had success with 2-year-olds and trainers in Australian probably believed they were more precocious than they really were. Interestingly it was a similar story with Zabeel early but people persisted and worked out that they needed time. Our training style probably contributed to physically and mentally breaking them.” - Nick Williams “The training regimes that most Australian trainers use may not be suitable for the type of horses that Galileo sires.” - Jonathan D’Arcy “Trainers here are more inclined to push young horses and maybe they just needed time to mature.” - David Payne, trainer of Galileo’s dual G2 winner Gallant Tess “I think they were pushed too soon down under and, when the first crop of 3-year-olds didn’t perform up to expectation, the Australian market went off them.” - Paul Moroney, international bloodstock agent “The progeny of Galileo have proven more than capable under Australian conditions in recent years, as the likes of Adelaide and The United States (see YouTube videos below) have shown. I have no doubt in my mind that, if Australian breeders and trainers had the understanding of Galileo and his progeny when he first came to Australia that they do now, we’d be looking at a completely different proposition.” - Michael Kirwan, Coolmore Australia “I would think that, as a general rule, the Galileos don’t cope well with being pushed too hard too early. In Australia, we often don’t nurture the animals who need the time to grow up physically and mentally. “Of course, Galileo has had some exceptional 2-year-olds, but perhaps with Europe’s more relaxed and endurance-based training methods, they are able to keep them from going over the top at a young age. “It’s so lovely how they prepare a nice young horse here [at Newmarket]. They’re doing plenty of evens - every day up a hill - but it’s relaxed and they’re not being competitive. Then, towards the end of their 2-year-old year, they will have four to five gallops in pairs or groups on the bridle before going to the races in October/November. “Trainers will tell the jockeys to flop out of the gates and let them run home on his own steam, no whips. In Australia, on the other hand, we give them two to three trials over unsuitable distances with the sticks up!” - Michael Kent Jnr, who has worked in stables and ridden in Australia and the UK THE RACES/THE TRACKS “Our 2-year-old racing is much more jump-and-run than in Europe, where most of the horses are bred to run over a mile plus. As a consequence the races are run at a different tempo, which aids horses by stallions like Galileo.” - Nick Williams And, as regards to longer contests, Australian races can be sit-and-sprint affairs, as opposed to European races in which the services of a pacemaker can be utilized to ensure a fast race, something that plays into the hands of the stronger, staying-bred horse. “I think that Galileo’s progeny are better suited to a testing gallop on Europe’s big, undulating courses as opposed to the sit-and-sprint nature of Australia’s tight, turning tracks. To win a race in Europe requires totally different attributes and training. You need to be able to sustain a sprint and often finish the race uphill. At home, a quick burst of speed once you get into the home straight is enough to win the race.” - Michael Kent Jnr “My assumption is that his [Galileo’s] progeny are more effective on a soft surface and, as you know, the going gets very hard and firm most of the time here.” - David Payne “He is by Galileo, so a wet track won’t bother him,” said Nick Williams in the lead-up to this year’s Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Randwick, a race in which Macedon Lodge’s Galileo entire The United States finished second on rain affected going. He would go onto G2 success in the Crystal Mile at Moonee Valley in October, the track on that occasion rated slow. There is not a huge variation in Galileo’s European statistics on dry tracks versus rain-affected tracks, but of course Australian tracks tend to be firmer overall. Representing his father Dermot with Galileo’s Choice in the 2012 Melbourne Cup, Mark Weld told the press: “What you would call a good track would be too quick for all the European horses.”
    4 points
  3. Go Chris !! ........ You have the gift , and you were " The Magic Man " before young Danielle had been on a horse.
    4 points
  4. Tiger Tiger

    PUNTERS CLUB 14

    sorry guys, got caught up on Sunday - I had 60 remaining, so have put on a couple of richies at counties tomorrow (Wednesday) 23 May 17 20:30 O 215 Final Fld Win Deductions Apply FPW Multi P $2.50 1 Eprouvez (5)59.5 @$7.00 $10.00 24 May 17 218 Final Fld Win Deductions Apply FPW 1 Flying Trapeze (12)58.5 @$8.20 219 Final Fld Win Deductions Apply FPW 3 Happy Tiger (12)58.5 @$14.00 ANY 2 ALL 3, 4 bets @ $2.50, TO WIN $2684.50 23 May 17 20:28 O 215 Final Fld Win Deductions Apply FPW $20.00 1 Eprouvez (5)59.5 @$7.00 $20.00 24 May 17 23 May 17 20:28 O 218 Final Fld Win Deductions Apply FPW $30.00 1 Flying Trapeze (12)58.5 @$8.20 $30.00 24 May 17
    3 points
  5. THE TORCH

    Johnson v Johnson

    Go on and win it CWJ.
    2 points
  6. Touched a nerve...bullshit...I just do not like my friends being maligned by nobodies who hide behind an internet name...cheers. I take people as i find them and I would far rather have the person I know as HP as friend than some no name like yourself who believes what is written on the net as gospel...
    2 points
  7. Thats not debated Scooby. Time will tell whether this was a wise choice. DGR,Dato and Goree will soon not be in the frame along with others who support him currently. Met HP once at Randwick, no comment because he is protected
    2 points
  8. Although I haven't, I think it fair that posters are allowed to comment on HP given he is a fairly integral part of the whole setup. No need to be so sensitive....
    2 points
  9. Ohokaman

    New Minister for Racing

    The Minister needs to be much more "involved" with the Industry, the Boards and what is going on in general Trumpy..and that is not what has been happening in recent times....Winnie excepted perhaps. Someone with a bit of Racing/Ownership experience as Bennett appears to have can only be positive as he should understand the machinations of the industry and problems we all face, and might not simply accept what he is being told. Having the bollocks to take drastic measures where they are clearly needed is another matter altogether however.....
    2 points
  10. I can see a slinging match developing. Like to think there's something coming thru in the next couple of months, going by the number of quallys . Even if they're not world beaters. Keep it positive please.
    2 points
  11. Agree entirely Ted - I think their biggest mistake was canning Free to View - that was extremely damaging IMHO - I know many who have walked purely on principle - a very dumb decision
    2 points
  12. TBHunter

    Chinese

    Beware the yellow Dragon for when it awakes the world will tremble before it.
    2 points
  13. pedigreequery.com is the search site. It is very good. Good luck
    1 point
  14. I can tell you Mr Martin I am not Gary so get that idea out of your head what I am saying is I'm sick of Jake saying the CD is weak all the time when they won't go and race there any more there is a reason for that
    1 point
  15. GOM

    Manuaku Greyhounds Fields

    Gary, The North does not have a trainer dealing in Hundreds as does the Central and South, arguments whether this is good or bad are both valid.
    1 point
  16. what a post

    Where are the stipes

    I can fully understand why there are those expressing the view that The devils own deserved to be relegated. I'm not sure whether the all star factor has added to that frustration. I think there was no intent by the driver concerned. The question I believe is whether the rule as it currently stands needs changing. Sometimes it seems best to have rules that in totality cause the least number of perceived injustices. Maybe they need to tweak it. The problem of course is when there is discretion involved then you can get inconsistency in some decisions. Personally I have no faith in jca's to be consistent, and for that reason accept the current rule as it is.
    1 point
  17. Trump

    Chinese

    Chinese tourists (I suspect) pay an "All In" fee to holiday in NZ or Aust. Their Airfare, accom and main meals (flavoured rice) are all paid to a Chinese Tourist Operator. They spend 5/8ths of FA on top of that.
    1 point
  18. Berri has set the pedigree out in full Just click on the link and you will go to the pedigree enquiry site
    1 point
  19. We're Doomed

    Johnson v Johnson

    We don't want this to sound anti Danielle in any way. Both of them are obviously fine jockeys and either of them would be a deserved winner.
    1 point
  20. 6xes

    Trump written off

    they were here well before i came along
    1 point
  21. . I suggest you look outside this thread to offshore posts about your friend. As for JC i was merely making a factual observation about his current clients.Time will tell whether this was a wise choice by team Blue and JC
    1 point
  22. Protected my arse... just don't talk shit like your mate... from what I know and i have known him as a friend for 20 plus years he is a decent guy who does not demand respect from anyone... so stop being a smart arse. And you said in your original it was more about how long he had been training,and a strange decision by Henry, not who he trained for, so what is your real opinion based on??? Cheers.
    1 point
  23. I know him very well and not being sensitive but just asking if these guys actually know him...sure they can comment but not just try to assume stuff if they don't have a clue.
    1 point
  24. He has trained a Group 1 winner... why is it a strange decision...??? Young fella on the way up.
    1 point
  25. rdytdy

    racetrack ovations

    Come on Liz, you should know better. The biggest ovation she received was when Bob Skelton led Show Gate back into the birdcage after winning the 1977 Trentham Stakes in NZ record time despite at the 1000m damaging a suspensory ligament for the second time in what was her last race. Every person on course stood and applauded the champion game mare.
    1 point
  26. Nasrullah

    Japanese Industry

    Yes interesting point Berri. But the reverse can be shown for stallions that failed in Japan and did quite well in New Zealand and Australia. Examples are Pentire and Shinko King. Poor results in Japan and they did well down here. Possibly the Deep Impact line my be better off serving our NZ broodmare band than Australia's vast majority of sprinting mares.
    1 point
  27. you won't comment on it as you k ow I'm right
    1 point
  28. I'm not even getting into a debate over this. We are simply not going to agree on this so what's the point.
    1 point
  29. Jake, Roberts has a few that you guys would like to train punga has a few as well and Freeman and many more upper North island is very weak there is a group race final this week how many upper north island dogs are in it there was one last week same question in fact there hasn't been many upper northisland dogs in group one finals since the Auckland cup meeting if you think the CD is so weak why is it you guys don't race there any more
    1 point
  30. and also say that Henry Plumtre is the best thing since sliced bread.
    1 point
  31. Good luck to the young fella. Will make lots of money in the short term but will need to learn to always recite the word "Team" on every possible occasion.
    1 point
  32. Thejanitor

    Purdon & co

    Until they get another Icandoosit...
    1 point
  33. Well Memphis it was Royalty...a class affair. Meanwhile what went down at the Italian Open...I s'pose another benefit for the dung-heap slugger ?
    1 point
  34. Bimbo

    Johnson v Johnson

    Only two. Cameron has ridden twelve, but surely nobody in their right mind would think Cameron was a better jockey than Johnson.
    1 point
  35. Treat

    2017 Jumps Season

    Some awesome jumping action, even got my anti horses "mobile dog tuckers" he calls them, other half, watching jumps now!! Just gutted I lost my faith and didn't include "The names bond" There's going to be some awesome races through the season. Pitty ZedEm and Lucky Tonight aren't here too!
    1 point
  36. We're Doomed

    Johnson v Johnson

    Who cares? You seem to be a bit of a hater. He once won something like three NZ Oaks in the space of five years or so. You seem to think only a jockey who is lucky enough to get on something like Winx is to be rated, rather than someone who can pull off a brilliant ride to win a maiden by a nose. I would be more interested in knowing how many horses who only won one race all season won it with CWJ up, rather than how many group winners he rode.
    1 point
  37. The point was he needs to get to the grass roots to find out what is going on. He will learn a lot more about the industry reality in Dargaville than on Karaka Million night.
    1 point
  38. Phantom

    New Minister for Racing

    Hopefully this will mean the ridiculous Race Fields Legislation will be scrapped as if this bloke has half a brain he won't want that piece of shit Act to be his first as Racing Minister. Hopefully he's also his own man not Glenda and Postman Pat's lapdog like the last clown. Hope springs eternal.
    1 point
  39. I thought Ella Mon Amour would have been mated with Ela Mana Mou. But, my knowledge of the Hellenic and Gaullist languages is not so shiite hot.
    1 point
  40. bugga. never mind... not many great horses were trained at trentham..
    1 point
  41. barryb

    NO MORE BEST BETS ????

    Ted there are 10s of thousands of dormant accounts with the NZ TAB, why piss around trying to get Newbies. Firstly how about trying to get those clients to deposit something. How about for a dormant account if you deposit any amount up to $500 they match it, by dormant I mean any account that has had no activity for 6 months. The money invested there would be a hell of a lot better than wasting it on marketing to a not interested audience on mainstream TV.
    1 point
  42. Basil

    Purdon & co

    In which version of the English language does "never" mean "always"?
    1 point
  43. Sad to hear, I buy the only Best Bet that goes to my local garage in fact if I am late they always put it a side for me. I will never get use to not having something so simple to read and I like to write down a few notes and dividends. The Informant I found very hard to read as writing was small and everything was all jammed up not layed out in a nice easy to read format, but will revisit to see if I can adapt. I can print out the fields at home on A4 pages but I end up with lots of pages and not something I want to cart around when I go out. The computer I love as we are spoilt for information but I don't like using the computer for my study. I find I look at one area of a field on screen and then go further down the screen to see the rest of the field and bugger me if I haven't forgotten what is further up the page I lose what the hell is further up the page and I just give up. I wonder why The TAB never advertises outside of Trackside. All they seem to do is advertise to their own customers, bit weird if you ask me. Lotto advertises to everyone, I go online and read a online paper or go to other sites and get lotto popping up with adverts about winning so many million, drive down the motorway and they have a electronic billboard telling you how much 1st division is this week... WHAT DOES THE TAB DO....close down free to view, close down tracks, close or reduce the paper content and then get rid of the Best Bets. I get a feeling some powers that be really don't give a shit about racing an thats the reason it is where it is.
    1 point
  44. She blatantly moved half a cart out to let PP through - she couldn't have moved out earlier as she wouldn't have known who was coming through
    1 point
  45. Trump

    Chinese

    A Casino full of pokies? You are joking. After a week or so of tourists, the local lower income people will be doing their hard earned whilst their shoeless kids line up for a Big Mac! No more casinos poleeeze!
    1 point
  46. barryb

    Chinese

    What about the 30k plus Brits coming here in June for 2 months, I understand 12,000 of them are in campers & that would be perfect to target them for a day or 2 at the races when travelling around the countryside. Plenty of jumps racing they could attend and experience away from home shores. They are certainly the mob that love a drink and a punt.
    1 point