MrBigStuff 398 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Te Teko abandoned tomorrow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,343 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Due to extremely heavy rain, surface water on the track and further rain predicted for today and tomorrow the meeting scheduled for Te Teko on Wednesday 13 June has been abandoned. NZTR, together with the club and New Zealand Racing Board are looking to find an alternative date to run this meeting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patiti 274 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 If there was an all weather at say Cambridge or Matamata would this help much Some meeting are going to lose out anyway, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBigStuff 398 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, Patiti said: ,If there was an all weather at say Cambridge or Matamata would this help much Some meeting are going to lose out anyway, Yes because you can transfer them like they do in Victoria, however they always have to make some minor distance changes if they go to Pakenham or Geelong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngatimaru 51 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Don't see any put off in Singapore? What are the doing that's so right? It rains most days there Im told ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb 2,064 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Transferred to Friday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Patiti said: If there was an all weather at say Cambridge or Matamata would this help much Some meeting are going to lose out anyway, I imagine that if there was an all-weather at Matamata you wouldn't need Te Teko anymore would you? This meeting would have been scheduled for the all weather in the first place. Several tracks would probably become redundant if an all weather was built. No one seems to have factored that in so far. Pam Robson 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, We're Doomed said: I imagine that if there was an all-weather at Matamata you wouldn't need Te Teko anymore would you? This meeting would have been scheduled for the all weather in the first place. Several tracks would probably become redundant if an all weather was built. No one seems to have factored that in so far. Perhaps that's true in the winter but surely not in the Spring and Summer months? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Can’t see why we can’t have both. Sickopunter 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 1 hour ago, We're Doomed said: I imagine that if there was an all-weather at Matamata you wouldn't need Te Teko anymore would you? This meeting would have been scheduled for the all weather in the first place. Several tracks would probably become redundant if an all weather was built. No one seems to have factored that in so far. Shit you really don't know your racing. Te Teko is a grass surface that holds up most of the year because of its location. This latest unfortunate weather event was predictable 7 days ago. Racing management needed to be flexible not to get locked into a location. Eastern province weather bombs are predictable. To say Te Teko wasn't needed if an all weather was at Matamata are comments made by a moron, twit and imbecile who knows nothing of racing. Te Teko has abnormally good weather which provides a good surface. Just a shame the track wasn't bigger in order to take 30 runners with a 1200m straight. The all weather track needs to have a 800m straight at a minimum. This eliminates track pace and draw bias. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickopunter 403 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Berri said: Shit you really don't know your racing. Te Teko is a grass surface that holds up most of the year because of its location. This latest unfortunate weather event was predictable 7 days ago. Racing management needed to be flexible not to get locked into a location. Eastern province weather bombs are predictable. To say Te Teko wasn't needed if an all weather was at Matamata are comments made by a moron, twit and imbecile who knows nothing of racing. Te Teko has abnormally good weather which provides a good surface. Just a shame the track wasn't bigger in order to take 30 runners with a 1200m straight. The all weather track needs to have a 800m straight at a minimum. This eliminates track pace and draw bias. Bit unnecessary to stoop to name calling. Also lots of all weather tracks don’t have up and in biases. Neither HK nor Singapore significantly favour inside draws or leaders which are two I have watched hundreds of races on over many years. We're Doomed 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Taupo should be used more. Trials there yesterday. 23 Heats. 138 starters. The track could take more racing. 100 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sickopunter said: Bit unnecessary to stoop to name calling. Also lots of all weather tracks don’t have up and in biases. Neither HK nor Singapore significantly favour inside draws or leaders which are two I have watched hundreds of races on over many years. Berri 30 runners with a 1200m straight? I think you are disorientated. This is NZ not England! We're Doomed, Huey and puha 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berri 2,131 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Get your heads out of a bucket. There is one opportunity to get it right for the future. Three things exist if you get it right. Number 1....IF you get more than 24 runners in a field, betting goes up. Number 2...IF those races are staying races, betting goes up. Number 3...IF there is no perceived bias in relation to barrier draw, betting goes up a 1200m straight on a big wide track does all the above Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
puha 2,177 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 6 hours ago, gubellini said: Berri 30 runners with a 1200m straight? I think you are disorientated. This is NZ not England! 6 hours ago, gubellini said: Berri 30 runners with a 1200m straight? I think you are disorientated. This is NZ not England! Where’s he going to find 30 jockeys ? 47South and We're Doomed 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gubellini 4,004 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, puha said: Where’s he going to find 30 jockeys ? 17 minutes ago, puha said: Where’s he going to find 30 jockeys ? Plus there is the problem that our antiquated betting system can only cater for up to 24 runners. Berri are you suggesting we go back to the old days of bracketing horses? Also none of our barriers can handle 30 horses! Berri nostalgia has it’s place but flag starts or barrier strands just wouldn’t cut it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 7 hours ago, gubellini said: Berri 30 runners with a 1200m straight? I think you are disorientated. This is NZ not England! 30 runners - crickey commentators wouldn't get halfway through the finish order before trackside went over to Mooloolumwooomba dogs or wherever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtab 95 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 i think we are going in the wrong direction here.An all-weather track is not the answer but a track like Singapore and Hong Kong is the answer . DO IT ONCE DO IT RIGHT Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pole 53 Report post Posted June 12, 2018 Due to the type of rain the B.O.P AND WAIKATO has received in the last week no track could have stood up to the weather. Another disappointing reason owners are hard to find.I thought Te Rapa was the flagship for wet weather racing? Do we need Winter flat racing?The standard of the fields going around at the moment is a disgrace. The standards of all our racing have slipped since they altered the rating system.I have not seen a decent Group One race for many many years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted June 13, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 10:01 PM, Berri said: Shit you really don't know your racing. Te Teko is a grass surface that holds up most of the year because of its location. This latest unfortunate weather event was predictable 7 days ago. Racing management needed to be flexible not to get locked into a location. Eastern province weather bombs are predictable. To say Te Teko wasn't needed if an all weather was at Matamata are comments made by a moron, twit and imbecile who knows nothing of racing. Te Teko has abnormally good weather which provides a good surface. Just a shame the track wasn't bigger in order to take 30 runners with a 1200m straight. The all weather track needs to have a 800m straight at a minimum. This eliminates track pace and draw bias. I take it you are trying to say in your own subtle way that you don't necessarily agree with my thoughtful comments. If an all weather track was built somewhere, say Matamata, then it would be expected to be used about 24 times a year, or more, as horses who discover they quite like the surface will need regular opportunities on it. Matamata currently has about 12 meetings a year. I imagine they would still want to hold 6-8 of those on their existing grass surface so that does leave up to 18 meetings that will have to come off other clubs around Auckland and the Waikato. Rather than taking a couple of meetings each off nine clubs, surely it would be easier just to close two or three tracks down altogether. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted June 13, 2018 You are spot on P4P. The all weather tracks (eg, Pakenham, Geelong) drive the punters away. But strathayr doesn’t worry the punter nor the horse. As for rain, I’ve commented on here before. I was in HK and on the morning of the Shatin races, a tropical downpour of “EPIC” proportions went on for two solid hours. I’ve never seen such a downpour. I planned for a long lunch because I thought there was no way there would be races on. Impossible! Not only did they race, they posted a good surface! The drainage on Shatin is the best in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted June 13, 2018 On 6/13/2018 at 6:52 AM, puha said: Where’s he going to find 30 jockeys ? I can't pick the winner in an 8 horse field , I sure as hell won't be betting into a 30 horse field. puha 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted June 13, 2018 42 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Bet on the All Blacks, it’s normally a two horse field and they usually get up. 1.03 ...yeeeeeesssssss!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted June 13, 2018 3 hours ago, We're Doomed said: I take it you are trying to say in your own subtle way that you don't necessarily agree with my thoughtful comments. If an all weather track was built somewhere, say Matamata, then it would be expected to be used about 24 times a year, or more, as horses who discover they quite like the surface will need regular opportunities on it. Matamata currently has about 12 meetings a year. I imagine they would still want to hold 6-8 of those on their existing grass surface so that does leave up to 18 meetings that will have to come off other clubs around Auckland and the Waikato. Rather than taking a couple of meetings each off nine clubs, surely it would be easier just to close two or three tracks down altogether. Don't you mean 'Date Rape" ? I'd imagine the likes of Ruakaka wouldn't be needing so many dates if there was an AW in the Waikato? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
We're Doomed 4,868 Report post Posted June 13, 2018 On 6/14/2018 at 6:38 AM, poundforpound said: Can I ask why you presume an AW track will not be turf ? In my experience any polymer or wax based track world wide seems to attract a different type of horse with a different action, and we haven’t bred that type of horse in NZ, so you invariably find horses that prefer AW tracks in countries that are turf driven, for example the UK and NZ, are of a lesser standard. Conversely the turf style AW track, Strathayr, as seen in Hong Kong, Mooney Valley and Singapore tends to suit horses bred for turf tracks, typicallly those with British, Irish or Australian heritage. Whilst I accept that a polymer track would be better than nothing I also think it’d be madness to create tracks that suit second rate horses, that’ll just further diminish our international reputation and favour bad horses and the production of a bad product. Coukd you revert and help me understand what the fraternity think of my intelligent observations. Thanks. Thank you for your encouragement pound, I am sorry I don't post so often these days, although it is one less disappointment in your life I had always assumed we could only really afford a Geelong or Pakenham type surface somewhere like Matamata. If we are going for a Moonee Valley type surfare surely that would have to be at Avondale or Ellerslie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...