Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 Always interesting to look up HRNZ premiership stats as we head into the back end of each season , especially in relation to UDRs. All stars lead the way with a rate of 0.473. Only two others reach the magical 0.4 mark Graeme Anderson and Mitchell Kerr. My interest however lies in the opposite end of the spectrum for the purposes of this thread. Its amazing how many trainers lie below 0.15 and how public some of them are. Surely owners must be awake to such continual failures or does sentiment play a bigger role than many thought in the sport. Be interested to hear others views on this matter Big ears 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamour 663 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 Sometimes it may just be an indication of the quality of the horses,or lack of, that they are getting. Booby Bec 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, lamour said: Sometimes it may just be an indication of the quality of the horses,or lack of, that they are getting. I hear you Lamour but surely with all the trials these days trainers should not be taking slow ones to the races too often. It wont do much to enhance their reputation as a professional. IMHO Thejanitor and Big ears 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Fartoomuch said: I hear you Lamour but surely with all the trials these days trainers should not be taking slow ones to the races too often. It wont do much to enhance their reputation as a professional. IMHO You are a complete muppet. Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,085 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 If they recognise they are slow ones they shouldn't be bleeding the bill-payers by keeping them in work but rather go and buy a hamburger bar. An old saying -there's no hope for the hopeless. Training daily fees should include a profit margin, I accept that, but look at some of the stakes some stables are earning then take the trainers % and many are making sweet FA so why are they still in business? At least the trainer gets a % of the gross stake earning. The owner then has all the expenses deducted from his. It's a hard game but while a "licence" says you are officially a trainer it doesn't make you a professional or a businessman. Fartoomuch, Booby Bec, LongOwner and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangi 73 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 are the horses being let run down the track often so they lose points and wait until they get into suitable race? The export list shows that trainers are more often than not selling their better cattle to overseas buyers and getting a big fat cheque Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, rangi said: are the horses being let run down the track often so they lose points and wait until they get into suitable race? The export list shows that trainers are more often than not selling their better cattle to overseas buyers and getting a big fat cheque You would need to ask the trainers with.poor UDRs It happens in other codes but they sack them quicker in gallops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 13 hours ago, Blue said: If they recognise they are slow ones they shouldn't be bleeding the bill-payers by keeping them in work but rather go and buy a hamburger bar. An old saying -there's no hope for the hopeless. Training daily fees should include a profit margin, I accept that, but look at some of the stakes some stables are earning then take the trainers % and many are making sweet FA so why are they still in business? At least the trainer gets a % of the gross stake earning. The owner then has all the expenses deducted from his. It's a hard game but while a "licence" says you are officially a trainer it doesn't make you a professional or a businessman. My point exactly Blue. Why do trainers persevere with slow horses that waste trainers time and owners money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted May 24, 2018 15 hours ago, Booby Bec said: You are a complete muppet. And you sir are a complete troll.....stop or move on to where you kind find a home...cheers. lamour and Thejanitor 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 9 hours ago, scooby3051 said: And you sir are a complete troll.....stop or move on to where you kind find a home...cheers. Not sure what you mean here 90% of people are in this game for love alone, no money in it and incredibly expensive. The ignorance of some people floors me!!! Big ears 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangi 73 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 On 24/05/2018 at 2:38 PM, Fartoomuch said: Always interesting to look up HRNZ premiership stats as we head into the back end of each season , especially in relation to UDRs. All stars lead the way with a rate of 0.473. Only two others reach the magical 0.4 mark Graeme Anderson and Mitchell Kerr. My interest however lies in the opposite end of the spectrum for the purposes of this thread. Its amazing how many trainers lie below 0.15 and how public some of them are. Surely owners must be awake to such continual failures or does sentiment play a bigger role than many thought in the sport. Be interested to hear others views on this matter some interesting statistics from addington last week as you referred to Purdon/Kerr Purdon/Rassmussen 15 starters-5 wins- 2 trifectas in the two group one races M Kerr-1 starter-0 wins G & N Hope-3 starters-1 win K & T Barron 4 starters-1 win M Jones 5 starters-1 win N McGrath 4 starters-0 wins R Dunn 12 starters-1 win C Dalgety 4 starters-0 wins G Smith 3 starter-0 wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,695 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 43 minutes ago, Booby Bec said: Not sure what you mean here 90% of people are in this game for love alone, no money in it and incredibly expensive. The ignorance of some people floors me!!! Either you stop trolling or end up with your mate hunter the troll....your choice you seem to nothing more than troll Fartoomuch..enough...not wanted this type of attitude here...cheers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted May 25, 2018 On 5/25/2018 at 8:21 AM, Fartoomuch said: My point exactly Blue. Why do trainers persevere with slow horses that waste trainers time and owners money Without these trainers there would only be a handful of starters in every race? I wouldn't be happy owning horses with no chance of being competitive. rangi and Big ears 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...