Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 15, 2018 Will be inducted into the Australian Hall of Fame this Friday in Sydney.An outstanding performance by such a youngish trainer. You would have got put away if you suggested this would happen 10 years ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdytdy 5,341 Report post Posted May 15, 2018 Thoroughly well deserved indeed. Congratulations Chris. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 16, 2018 70 + Grp 1 wins in last 10 years- amazing effort. Suppose Ozzies will claim him as one of theirs now. Big ears 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted May 16, 2018 Yes, with 6 starters in the Doomben Cup, there is rather an imbalance isn’t there.....so NSW city and provincial racing has a big problem with small fields and diminishing opportunities for punters ... so it’s now onto QLD ..... in short, all that glitters is not necessarily gold. Large fields, compressed weights, false favourites....yes, bring it on... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy86 2,704 Report post Posted May 17, 2018 Just read Pumper's book--applauds Waller's achievements but not a fan. Not bitter but just puts it down to "business". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 17, 2018 3 hours ago, La Zip said: Yes, with 6 starters in the Doomben Cup, there is rather an imbalance isn’t there.....so NSW city and provincial racing has a big problem with small fields and diminishing opportunities for punters ... so it’s now onto QLD ..... in short, all that glitters is not necessarily gold. Large fields, compressed weights, false favourites....yes, bring it on... Others have multiple numbers in 2yr old gas ups but CW has resisted that path and concentrates on giving his horses time which gives them longevity. He also wisely identified buying stayers due to the stake money being very lucrative. Others are catching on La Zip but good on him for lining 6 up and giving his band of different owners a chance of winning some decent stake money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOODBINE 88 Report post Posted May 17, 2018 Congratulations Chris. The NZ Racing Hall of Fame was delighted to induct you earlier this year and we vividly recall your fabulous induction interview with Steve Davis Refer to the NZRHF website (www.racinghalloffame.co.nz) to view it Fartoomuch 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted May 17, 2018 7 hours ago, Fartoomuch said: Others have multiple numbers in 2yr old gas ups but CW has resisted that path and concentrates on giving his horses time which gives them longevity. He also wisely identified buying stayers due to the stake money being very lucrative. Others are catching on La Zip but good on him for lining 6 up and giving his band of different owners a chance of winning some decent stake money Interesting summary but there is a much bigger picture here which NZers have probably never analysed...and it doesn’t matter If it’s CJW or Dan Dinkum For punters to invest they need good, strong, competitive fields. As we are currently experiencing here in NSW, field sizes are diminishing, owners are sending horses interstate to race...why? Several reasons....the costs are becoming prohibitively high. With energy costs skyrocketing those who once were part of a syndicate are now not investing because income now goes on daily cost of living expenses. Trainers are also moving interstate (David van Dyk, Grahame Begg are just 2 of the better known trainers) because they can’t attract their traditional owners or syndicators. Hence we have a contracting ownership scene where the big are getting too big. Multiple entries in one race manipulating the weights to suit....field sizes diminishing, false favourites and on a monotonous regularity the outsider gets the prize. Punters will only put up with this for so long ...then that dollar is diverted elsewhere. So as NSW racing is dependent on TAB/bookmakers turnover, where is the long term benefit of these mega stables? They are actually biting themselves on the bum because at this rate the great prize money offered is not sustainable. So, there will have to be an action which will limit the number of nominations from trainers....thus protecting the integrity of the handicapping system. Currently it’s open to legal abuse. See fields in Sydney this weekend for examples of what goes on... I intend to chat with Max Presnell as I can vaguely remember something similar in the 70s and Tommy Smith being accused of manipulating the system..... For those of you who now say “well, what about Weir?” Victoria has long been a better place to race horses because there are so many provincial & country outlets...and that’s how Victorian racing can withstand the Weir onslaught...but in NSW opportunities are not so abundant. There are larger Sydney stables that now venture out to places such as Bathurst, Dubbo etc simply because of the prize money. This invasion is now having a detrimental effect on country trainers & owners. This is a can of worms which I strongly believe the various racing administrators are watching but have no idea how to stop the train wreck. Whilst we’re not at the level of disaster as NZ racing, it has the potential to cause massive ramifications for all facets of the industry. If the punter doesn’t feel he’s getting a fair go, he won’t invest. And these mega stables are killing the Golden Goose. Huey, chevy86 and Grego 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoopa 281 Report post Posted May 17, 2018 Not sure about Begg,but Van Dyke left for other reasons by all accounts!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted May 17, 2018 9 hours ago, La Zip said: Interesting summary but there is a much bigger picture here which NZers have probably never analysed...and it doesn’t matter If it’s CJW or Dan Dinkum For punters to invest they need good, strong, competitive fields. As we are currently experiencing here in NSW, field sizes are diminishing, owners are sending horses interstate to race...why? Several reasons....the costs are becoming prohibitively high. With energy costs skyrocketing those who once were part of a syndicate are now not investing because income now goes on daily cost of living expenses. Trainers are also moving interstate (David van Dyk, Grahame Begg are just 2 of the better known trainers) because they can’t attract their traditional owners or syndicators. Hence we have a contracting ownership scene where the big are getting too big. Multiple entries in one race manipulating the weights to suit....field sizes diminishing, false favourites and on a monotonous regularity the outsider gets the prize. Punters will only put up with this for so long ...then that dollar is diverted elsewhere. So as NSW racing is dependent on TAB/bookmakers turnover, where is the long term benefit of these mega stables? They are actually biting themselves on the bum because at this rate the great prize money offered is not sustainable. So, there will have to be an action which will limit the number of nominations from trainers....thus protecting the integrity of the handicapping system. Currently it’s open to legal abuse. See fields in Sydney this weekend for examples of what goes on... I intend to chat with Max Presnell as I can vaguely remember something similar in the 70s and Tommy Smith being accused of manipulating the system..... For those of you who now say “well, what about Weir?” Victoria has long been a better place to race horses because there are so many provincial & country outlets...and that’s how Victorian racing can withstand the Weir onslaught...but in NSW opportunities are not so abundant. There are larger Sydney stables that now venture out to places such as Bathurst, Dubbo etc simply because of the prize money. This invasion is now having a detrimental effect on country trainers & owners. This is a can of worms which I strongly believe the various racing administrators are watching but have no idea how to stop the train wreck. Whilst we’re not at the level of disaster as NZ racing, it has the potential to cause massive ramifications for all facets of the industry. If the punter doesn’t feel he’s getting a fair go, he won’t invest. And these mega stables are killing the Golden Goose. Wow, and all of that because CW is being inducted into the Ozzie Racing Hall of Fame. If you think NSW has problems i suggest you come and have a look at NZ scene. NZ owners have been relocating horses for quite some time to NSW trainers. Your handicapping manipulation theory is not backed by any stats that i can see so the rest of your theory lacks credibility and the chances of trainers being restricted in terms of nominations is never likely to happen IMHO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
