scooby3051 10,694 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Joe please dont start getting personal it has been a good thread so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Joe just because I’m asking the question doesn’t mean jack , there are two sides to ever story. I’m just asking if anyone has been put out for that long before? What was his 1st offence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 It is the kennels second offence David was the trainer in 2011 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betting man 57 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 I’m assuming that the reason he got off so lightly for such a serious drug is because it is Seniors first offence, given all the mitigating circumstances ie that he admitted to not being the trainer and leaving the dogs in the care of questionable character I am fairly surprised it wasn’t much longer, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got more now that he has appealed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Yes but that doesn’t make one bit of different as it’s not the trainers . Now can anyone name a trainer that has been put out for presenting a dog ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, I know said: Yes but that doesn’t make one bit of different as it’s not the trainers . Now can anyone name a trainer that has been put out for presenting a dog ? I think you need to check the penalties for that specific drug. I believe the penalties differ between classes. There is no criminality involved in a caffeine positive for example, but there is for meth just as there would be for cocaine, heroin, or any other Class A drug. Steroids are Class B and there is criminality attached to that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 What are you talking about Dennis got put out because he is the trainer If people in his kennel take p that is Dennis fault There was a guide put out a few years ago on what you could get for drug charges i think Dennis only got half of that MiniJax 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, Joe blogs said: What are you talking about Dennis got put out because he is the trainer If people in his kennel take p that is Dennis fault There was a guide put out a few years ago on what you could get for drug charges i think Dennis only got half of that Who said anything about Denis? I spoke specifically about penalty. The rules changed about 2 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 No i was replying to i know We posted at the same time emotive Emotive 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Does anyone in this sport ever read the advisories sent out? There have been a number of rule changes since 2013. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepipe 70 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Question As the trainer has further runners today, the current arrangement regarding training etc must be acceptable to the RIU and GRNZ ?. Or have alternative arrangements been made with immediate effect. If no changes have taken place zero credibility for this industry especially within the eyes of the public. As everyone knows, all over the TV news, possibly they show an interest on course today and the press would not be showing business as usual in a positive light. Time for damage limitation ? or a bit late for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted May 3, 2018 Mate it’s no different to the CD re training Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 3, 2018 4 hours ago, I know said: Mate it’s no different to the CD re training Yes indeed thats a joke as well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 5, 2018 How long will it be for the appeal will it be 5 months or more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted May 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Joe blogs said: How long will it be for the appeal will it be 5 months or more Hearing on Tuesday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted May 5, 2018 I believe the brendon Cole charge is still being held up because of the spca....what I don't understand is it he was dead baiting at the best .....so why hasn't he been charged with this at least ..with the live baiting pending spca decision for further charges.... The White Poodle, feral, Emotive and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniJax 30 Report post Posted May 5, 2018 It’s pretty obvious he is but I think the spca want to do a really thorough investigation and prehaps to find other things. I think we need to be patient because if found guilty he will be punished. Emotive 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 5, 2018 While many may feel the investigation referred to has taken an agonising length of time, it is important to remember that the process must be robust. Just as a reminder, here is the actual rule. Read it carefully. However, this is not the only rule that applies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Tonight 8 Report post Posted May 6, 2018 If this were certain other trainers Denis wouldn't think the ban was long enough. I have to say that he loves his dogs, and I doubt he knew the dog was positive, but he put the person in charge at the kennels so therefore he is responsible. You sign as the trainer, knowing full well that if a dog is presented to a race and found to be positive to any banned substance, you are deemed to be responsible. The rules are in place for all regardless if your 18 or 80. I have little to no respect for him, and it's well justified, however my opinion on this matter would be the same for anyone, 2 years is right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 6, 2018 18 hours ago, Not Tonight said: If this were certain other trainers Denis wouldn't think the ban was long enough. I have to say that he loves his dogs, and I doubt he knew the dog was positive, but he put the person in charge at the kennels so therefore he is responsible. You sign as the trainer, knowing full well that if a dog is presented to a race and found to be positive to any banned substance, you are deemed to be responsible. The rules are in place for all regardless if your 18 or 80. I have little to no respect for him, and it's well justified, however my opinion on this matter would be the same for anyone, 2 years is right. It's done and dusted regardless of appeal. The penalty starting point is 4 years DQ. The JCA mitigated that to 2 years. The sentence cannot be substituted for a fine under the rules. And I agree age should have no bearing on this decision. Not Tonight 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 6, 2018 But will they give him longer for appealing I guess if you get put out for two years you will appeal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lad27 404 Report post Posted May 7, 2018 Emotive, what part from grnz are you from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 7, 2018 3 hours ago, lad27 said: Emotive, what part from grnz are you from? Just a licence holder. I based my opinion on the actual rule. I presume you have read it. Very difficult to have the penalty reduced further unless you have compelling new evidence. And it is the penalty only that is being appealed. Guilt has already been established. The baseline is 4 years DQ. That was mitigated to 2 years. The positive was to a Class A drug and as such the starting point is much higher. My opinion and that's all it is, is based on the rules that exist and not the personalities involved. The RIU could appeal the two years looking to increase the penalty, doubtful but possible. Who knows. Anyway, there is always more than one rule that applies, and that could be a concern for the appellant in the future. There have been a number of cutting remarks on this thread, yet you chose to level sarcasm at mine rather than offer an alternative view. If you have a different view, then share it. Hound Fan, Not Tonight, GOM and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus stop 230 Report post Posted May 8, 2018 2 year disqualification stands appeal dimissed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 8, 2018 So it should Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...