Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 Collectively you all make valid points. Yes, guilt lies with whoever holds the license. Yes his son should not have been on property given his past behaviour. Yes, there is culpability. Yes Denis can be a right basket at times. But we are talking about a father's love for his son. Like many other fathers, misplaced hope, belief, trust, whatever you like to call it, has been returned in the form of betrayal. I am not a fan of the man, but as a parent, I can feel some sympathy. hedley, lad27, The White Poodle and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 203 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, eljay said: Ms Archer & Mr Hodgson who lived on the property were both licenced handlers therefore I suspect the dogs were theoretically in the care of licenced person(s). I think that is a valid point, Lloyd. There's a form trainers can sign, called a Charge Authority. Not sure how far its powers extend, but I had one once when I was taking dogs to the races on behalf of a trainer for a few weeks ( I am a licensed Owner/ Handler). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepipe 70 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 You all missing the point. Eljay, being a handler does not allow you to train, correct? Emotive understand what you saying, but when those within the industry are making mistakes, that is where those policing the industry need to get off their lazy useless butts and do the job they are masssivley overpaid for. This is bigger than the subject Mr D . The biggest loser will be greyhound racing. howrude, clarkie, come on ref and 1 other 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
firepipe 70 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 Trying to say If those policing the industry had acted years ago the bad pr that will be now tainting the industry would have been limited to non licensed persons behaving badly. Not worthy of a headline? Emotive and Flabbergasted 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
howrude 108 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, firepipe said: You all missing the point. Eljay, being a handler does not allow you to train, correct? Emotive understand what you saying, but when those within the industry are making mistakes, that is where those policing the industry need to get off their lazy useless butts and do the job they are masssivley overpaid for. This is bigger than the subject Mr D . The biggest loser will be greyhound racing. Exactly. Those overseeing all of us, laying down all of the rules and regulations that we are supposed to adhere to are, half of the time, the main reason why events like this occur. They turn a blind eye to so many things and yet open their eyes wider to other issues.. Depending on who you are, in the end, decides whether you're seen or not. Another issue for another post lol... With the recent banning on greyhound racing in some states next door, I can't agree more. If we don't get people who are really serious about the game, who do not share the same passion as the small trainer who gets up early every morning of every day to clean, feed, train and care for their pup who has never run better than 5th in its entire career, week in and week out, then again, I agree. The outcome remains... Lazy, useless butts who are massively overpaid will continue to dictate... come on ref, Emotive and Jabba2 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bus stop 230 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 There will be one vet god rest his soul having a giggle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flabbergasted 67 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 Ok so if the training arrangements in place at Rangiriri was widely known who is to blame for allowing it to have continued ? Is it the RIU or GRNZ ? The way i see it GRNZ sets policy and rules but have no power other than issue licenses and then relies on the RIU to conduct kennel checks and enforce the rules. Am I wrong ? Is GRNZ able to order the RIU to carry out investigations etc. or can they only ask the RIU to do so and then hope they follow it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betting man 57 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 Will be interesting to see if another “Trainer name” is risked under the same arrangement or whether honest procedures are followed and the dogs are dispersed to another trainer/trainers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Betting man said: Will be interesting to see if another “Trainer name” is risked under the same arrangement or whether honest procedures are followed and the dogs are dispersed to another trainer/trainers Looks very much the latest dogs are in Pam's name...presume she will be the trainer from now on....bit lost how mark purdon could not be on his property when he lost his license...yet here we have a unlicensed trainer admitting he's training and living on the property....maybe Pete early could ask Mike gober for his comments on his radio show....so we all know were we stand. Jabba2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 poor buggers who ever responsible should fall on their sword man up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betting man 57 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 That’s a romantic notion Emotive but having just seen the tv1 news Dennis looks to be throwing his son under the bus!! Blaming him to gain sympathy for himself doesn’t seem to noble to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Now he is going to appeal it I hope they give him longer what a joke MiniJax and come on ref 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hound Fan 577 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 3 hours ago, tim vince said: poor buggers who ever responsible should fall on their sword man up Bit disappointed with Dennis arrogance tonight on 6 news...I now take back my original symphaty for the man.....geez its every one else fault....and no it's not the first case as stated ...David had one in ch ch with a dog before.....sorry greyhoundlover...you are right Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lad27 404 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Betting man said: That’s a romantic notion Emotive but having just seen the tv1 news Dennis looks to be throwing his son under the bus!! Blaming him to gain sympathy for himself doesn’t seem to noble to me! If you got pinged for a meth positive as a 78yrs trainer and there was past history then wouldn't you if in the same shoes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, lad27 said: If you got pinged for a meth positive as a 78yrs trainer and there was past history then wouldn't you if in the same shoes? Dennis retired and david took over the training of the dogs David got his positive to p and dennis came out of retirement Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betting man 57 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, lad27 said: If you got pinged for a meth positive as a 78yrs trainer and there was past history then wouldn't you if in the same shoes? I’d like to think that if I falsely put my name down as trainer so that my son who had had an meth positive and his license revoked could continue to train dogs, knowing full well the risk that entailed ....I would take it as a fail and cope it like a man. feral and Track Record 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J May 19 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Not a good look on TV tonight, take some ownership for actions, regardless of whom is at fault. The buck stops with the ‘trainer’ feral, Betting man and Track Record 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
feral 36 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, J May said: Not a good look on TV tonight, take some ownership for actions, regardless of whom is at fault. The buck stops with the ‘trainer’ Totally agree . His name was on the license so he takes the rap for it. Man up ! Track Record 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowdown 299 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Not a good look. News article today stated dogs will transfer to wifes name. So the show goes on. Not the 1st time the idea of 'trainer disqualified' has been made to look like a joke, how bad is it when there's already 2 leading trainers ( CD) that train under wife's names due to prior transgressions! feral and Track Record 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Betting man said: That’s a romantic notion Emotive but having just seen the tv1 news Dennis looks to be throwing his son under the bus!! Blaming him to gain sympathy for himself doesn’t seem to noble to me! Wasn't impressed with what Denis had to say on the telly. He already pleaded guilty. I was referring to giving a son a job despite the possible jeopardy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,918 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Maybe they won't even give Pam a licence... would seem a bit of a farce if they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiniJax 30 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 but wouldn’t the same problem occur again with Pam being the licensed trainer but actually is only driving the dogs? Well that’s if she does get a license. She won’t be able to get it in time before the disqualification starts though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emotive 306 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 I'm pretty sure there was a rule change that prohibits a disqualified person from having any contact with a licence holder. That includes partners in a marriage. I also believe that under the rules it is not possible to transfer dogs into a family members name. First introduced in Australia and later adopted here after a couple of dubious instances. Godber stated today that due to an appeal the disqualification will not commence until the appeal is concluded. MiniJax 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
I know 150 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Can anyone tell me if anyone else had got a 2 year ban for presenting a dog with anything in its system? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe blogs 202 Report post Posted May 2, 2018 Why are you sticking up for him for he didnt get long enough And dont say your not There has been alot in Australia been put out for longer it was a second offence You seem very worried aboit this why Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...