scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Booby Bec said: I wish!!! His UDR SHOULD be better too because he drives for ALL STARS, have you seen their UDR? Are you the chairman of the T. Williams fan club?? Some just knock for the sake of it...you seem to be one of them... Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Booby Bec said: The whole industry needs help. How can anyone think their domination is good for racing. Not to mention the domination of just the commercial pacing stallions in the harness industry. The old adage of a good horse can come from anywhere unfortunately doesn't really exist anymore, with pacers anyway Another All Stars knocker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Fartoomuch said: Another All Stars knocker. Fart Too Much, which part of no one is knocking the AllStars Stable don’t you understand? What the majority of harness racing participants (apart from the select few on here) are saying is that although they are unbelievably successful, they are not great for the harness racing industry! The monopoly they have limits the ability for all other stables to win sufficient money to make racing horses financially viable. Interesting night at Addington last night though, as several of the All Stars Horses were actually passed in the straight by other horses! Just doesn’t happen normally, was it just a below average night at the office for them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,027 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, Brodie said: Fart Too Much, which part of no one is knocking the AllStars Stable don’t you understand? What the majority of harness racing participants (apart from the select few on here) are saying is that although they are unbelievably successful, they are not great for the harness racing industry! The monopoly they have limits the ability for all other stables to win sufficient money to make racing horses financially viable. Interesting night at Addington last night though, as several of the All Stars Horses were actually passed in the straight by other horses! Just doesn’t happen normally, was it just a below average night at the office for them? Obviously there B team otherwise they would have been at premier meeting at Auckland Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, richie said: Obviously there B team otherwise they would have been at premier meeting at Auckland Richie, to be fair their b,c and d team would normally win on a low key meeting! Just an interesting night wasn’t it? Shorties getting beaten when they normally wouldn’t! In the fillies race they were in front and trailed and they didn’t fill a place!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richie 1,027 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, Brodie said: Richie, to be fair their b,c and d team would normally win on a low key meeting! Just an interesting night wasn’t it? Shorties getting beaten when they normally wouldn’t! In the fillies race they were in front and trailed and they didn’t fill a place!!!! Thought they were 2nd in race won by fave. Maybe i have wrong race Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee270744 684 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 7 hours ago, richie said: Thought they were 2nd in race won by fave. Maybe i have wrong race You don't have the wrong race. Brodie distorts the facts to suit his own VERY bias narrative which is hatred of anyone that can be successful in their business. In fact, Bettor Joy has beaten the All-Stars in 6 races and surprise Delight in me finished 2nd 4 times to BJ. As an aside, the next 20 trainers in the premiership have trained 600 winners and the last 101 have yet to train a winner, reading here you would think Harness racing is finished if it is could someone tell those 400 horse trainers? Fartoomuch, Thejanitor and Iraklis 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Brodie said: Fart Too Much, which part of no one is knocking the AllStars Stable don’t you understand? What the majority of harness racing participants (apart from the select few on here) are saying is that although they are unbelievably successful, they are not great for the harness racing industry! The monopoly they have limits the ability for all other stables to win sufficient money to make racing horses financially viable. Interesting night at Addington last night though, as several of the All Stars Horses were actually passed in the straight by other horses! Just doesn’t happen normally, was it just a below average night at the office for them? Ill let others decide the validity of this post and your ability to say one thing and then the opposite a few paragraphs later. First you berate me by saying no one is knocking AS team but the you repeat for the umpteenth time that their success stops other from making money. Factually untrue as it is. Your clearly concerned about their dominance but ive yet to see you offer any solution to the problems you have with their dominance. In your opinion should the AS team drop their standards or should the rest up theirs. Really simple question for you and im sure others will be interested as well with your reply????????? Iraklis and Spikecity 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 21, 2018 9 hours ago, richie said: Thought they were 2nd in race won by fave. Maybe i have wrong race No you were right, The Brodster is wrong for once. Wasnt concentrating on the race saw it on small TV,. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: Ill let others decide the validity of this post and your ability to say one thing and then the opposite a few paragraphs later. First you berate me by saying no one is knocking AS team but the you repeat for the umpteenth time that their success stops other from making money. Factually untrue as it is. Your clearly concerned about their dominance but ive yet to see you offer any solution to the problems you have with their dominance. In your opinion should the AS team drop their standards or should the rest up theirs. Really simple question for you and im sure others will be interested as well with your reply????????? You must have a thin skin Fart Too Much? Not berating you at all, as “The Brodster” just wouldn’t do that! Yes most people who care about the future of harness racing in NZ are concerned about their dominance! Personally, doesn’t affect me much at all, but yes I am very concerned for many in the industry going forward and I do believe it is currently hurting the industry big time by way of not attracting new owners and by punters not bothering as much. As to the solution Fart Too Much, yes many have a solution but not able to comment on here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted April 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Brodie said: You must have a thin skin Fart Too Much? Not berating you at all, as “The Brodster” just wouldn’t do that! Yes most people who care about the future of harness racing in NZ are concerned about their dominance! Personally, doesn’t affect me much at all, but yes I am very concerned for many in the industry going forward and I do believe it is currently hurting the industry big time by way of not attracting new owners and by punters not bothering as much. As to the solution Fart Too Much, yes many have a solution but not able to comment on here! What a pathetic duck for cover non-answer to a simple question. Hardly surprising though in fact quite normal for you when challenged. I suspect you and those on your side of the fence long for the old amateur days when everyone had a turn. Clearly that's not the way of it now with real professional trainers . Even your mate MJ has no issues with the AS performance or as he put it roughly, we all go to the same sales and have opportunities to buy the ones they do. Iraklis 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 22, 2018 Fart Too Much, sometimes you have to pull your words! Mark Jones is entitled to have an opinion on things, just as you are! Mark has seen the writing on the wall, just as Tim Butt has and they have moved their major operations to OZ, as they are aware they are pushing it up hill in NZ at the moment! They know their best horses will not be winning big money in Nz now that there is the dominance! We can all put our head in the sand and say yes everything is rosie, but watch the industry self destruct! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Brodie said: You must have a thin skin Fart Too Much? Not berating you at all, as “The Brodster” just wouldn’t do that! Yes most people who care about the future of harness racing in NZ are concerned about their dominance! Personally, doesn’t affect me much at all, but yes I am very concerned for many in the industry going forward and I do believe it is currently hurting the industry big time by way of not attracting new owners and by punters not bothering as much. As to the solution Fart Too Much, yes many have a solution but not able to comment on here! Don't come crying the next time they give it to you in here you deserve everything you get Brodster....or maybe it should be Wayne Kerr.... Fartoomuch, Spikecity and Iraklis 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, scooby3051 said: Don't come crying the next time they give it to you in here you deserve everything you get Brodster....or maybe it should be Wayne Kerr.... Scooby, not sure what you mean? Why do YOU say I deserve everything I get? Yes, I do deserve what I get and I am appreciative of that! I have worked for everything I have now, and are able to now enjoy life to the fullest due to my endeavours! Thank you for your support Scooby! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, Brodie said: Fart Too Much, sometimes you have to pull your words! Mark Jones is entitled to have an opinion on things, just as you are! Mark has seen the writing on the wall, just as Tim Butt has and they have moved their major operations to OZ, as they are aware they are pushing it up hill in NZ at the moment! They know their best horses will not be winning big money in Nz now that there is the dominance! We can all put our head in the sand and say yes everything is rosie, but watch the industry self destruct! As per normal the Brodster is on the money!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 What are Mark and Nat's daily training rates Fartoomuch? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 23 hours ago, Thejanitor said: Perhaps, but he still wins more often than the others you mentioned. The only driver close is Matt Anderson. Tim Williams also gets plenty of outside drives and doesn't just win with Purdon/Rasmussen runners. You're not Brodies' sister by any chance? Starting to look like it the more it posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 $80 or $90 a day? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted April 22, 2018 15 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said: Starting to look like it the more it posts. Fart Too Much, sorry but dont have a sister and never have had!!!! Truth is that “The Brodster” is supported by most apart from the select few that think they know more than “The Brodster” but we all know that that isn’t the case!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Scooby, not sure what you mean? Why do YOU say I deserve everything I get? Yes, I do deserve what I get and I am appreciative of that! I have worked for everything I have now, and are able to now enjoy life to the fullest due to my endeavours! Thank you for your support Scooby! As I said you are a total dick... lets see how long you last here... I hope they tear you to pieces ...I will not be stopping them anymore.... Thejanitor and Spikecity 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: As I said you are a total dick... lets see how long you last here... I hope they tear you to pieces ...I will not be stopping them anymore.... Not sure where your coming from scoobs? Anyway Tim just drove a winner! Didn't panic thought he may have got the shuffle up, good job Tim!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, Booby Bec said: Not sure where your coming from scoobs? Anyway Tim just drove a winner! Didn't panic thought he may have got the shuffle up, good job Tim!! None of your business I would of thought...thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Fart Too Much, sometimes you have to pull your words! Mark Jones is entitled to have an opinion on things, just as you are! Mark has seen the writing on the wall, just as Tim Butt has and they have moved their major operations to OZ, as they are aware they are pushing it up hill in NZ at the moment! They know their best horses will not be winning big money in Nz now that there is the dominance! We can all put our head in the sand and say yes everything is rosie, but watch the industry self destruct! The Harness industry is definitely in decline and will continue to do so under its current business model. Total lack of: professionalism , governance and innovation leading to poor outcomes. Is run by amateurs and participants are more than likely to be amateurs so you end up where we are.. Now its gradually coming home to roost that all is not rosy. Some will run away overseas but the grass is not that rosy in Oz either unless you are into the gallops. Their declining wagering percentages leads to you know where but will be delayed due to the population effect. None of the above has anything to do with Team AS. They are just the best in the business Spikecity 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booby Bec 84 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 I agree with what you say there far too much. Whilst it's not their fault they are way better than everyone else, it can't be easy for other trainers to find new owners because of this. And of course stagnant stakes, but higher costs Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fartoomuch 1,376 Report post Posted April 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, Booby Bec said: I agree with what you say there far too much. Whilst it's not their fault they are way better than everyone else, it can't be easy for other trainers to find new owners because of this. And of course stagnant stakes, but higher costs I should be very worried when you agree with me but hey lets roll with the punches. You and a few others are obsessed withe team AS and their successes and dribble about how hard it is for others to make ends meet and get new clients etc. I suggest you all : Count up how much R Dunn spent at the sales this year and his previous purchases at sales time. Then add a bit more for his private purchases.Its a very interesting exercise Like wise and in a similar vain, I'm not seeing Godolphin,Snowden Waterhouse etc moan about how Waller keeps winning everything In Sydney They just get on trying to be better,buying what the market wants at prices they can market to both current and potential clients. scooby3051, Iraklis and cantab matt 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...