Guest Report post Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lloyd Vivian said: NO way!! Have to agree to differ strongly on that one! Cheers. Let's hope he's OK. Go through the video frame by frame and watch where his head and upper body are BEFORE the horse moves out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 492 Report post Posted March 13, 2018 Yawn. Now just getting tiring and repetitive. scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harewood 477 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 0:28 PM, 2Admin2 said: That's your opinion Lloyd however I stand by my statement that Bowman had already lost his balance before the horse made any substantial movement. Andrew "Hoss" Bensley, journalist, renowned racing scribe etc, spoke to Bowman on Mon and Bowman told him the horse gave a small "pig jump' just before the said incident. Hugie said he slightly adjusted his riding position to compensate and at that the horse reacted and abruptly moved sideways causing him to fall off. So I guess Admin you are partly correct in what you saw. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,084 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, harewood said: Andrew "Hoss" Bensley, journalist, renowned racing scribe etc, spoke to Bowman on Mon and Bowman told him the horse gave a small "pig jump' just before the said incident. Hugie said he slightly adjusted his riding position to compensate and at that the horse reacted and abruptly moved sideways causing him to fall off. So I guess Admin you are partly correct in what you saw. That description fits exactly with what is visible on the video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,800 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, hesi said: Classic So from Bowman himself, adjusting his position on the horse, is what caused the sideways movement, and subsequent fall Don't hold your breath Admin, waiting for the slaggers to come forward and apologise He’s obviously still concussed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,084 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 The obvious wankers P4P were the ones on here that were too blind to see what obviously happened or didn't while insisting they were right and the rest of us were wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 14, 2018 43 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Watch the horse’s head ( not its body ). When you’re riding you’ve got to follow their head, and if you don’t you go over the side. Where their head goes their body follows, it’s that simple. Often you’ll see a jockey get unbalanced at the walk ( typically leaving the birdcage gate ) when they get distracted and don’t follow the horse’s head. In this instance the head and neck clearly go sideways before Hughie goes right, and over the side. This incident demonstrates two things, firstly the extraordinarily fine balance these guys have at high speed, and secondly what a fucking wanker 2admin2 is. Has there ever been a bigger wanker than him in the world of racing. NO. Thanks for passing the mantle P4P. My biggest honour in racing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 14, 2018 What is also interesting about Performer's movement is that he did the same sort of thing at least twice before Bowman fell. If you look at the video you will see a slightly off action in the last 50m or so before the fall. I wonder if the horse might be sore? I see he is 11th on the order of entry for the Slipper. For those of you who want to hear the Andrew Bensely interview with Hugh Bowman thanks to Sky Racing Australia. Note I'm not the listeneer who phoned in which proves there are more than two people in the industry that thought the same thing. Make that 3 as it appears P4P also agrees. VJEVn9.mp3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 Which just goes to prove you and your "small" band of supporters were wrong. Bowman clearly fell off when trying to offset the pigrooting action of the horse. Correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,084 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, poundforpound said: Am I correct though ? I didn’t bother commenting earlier because 2admin2 was spouting off and I don’t like giving him oxygen. I presume you’ve ridden though, so you’ll know exactly what I mean I’m sure about following their head. I’m not sure I agree about him ducking toward the whip though, I’ve been around quite a long time and apart from Peter Plumley Walker I haven’t seen too many who run toward the source of the pain. You are dead on but I don't think you needed me to tell you that somehow. It was the head direction shift that said to the world Bowman's balance had shifted. We now know for sure what caused that and that that was what caused the horse to veer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Trump said: Which just goes to prove you and your "small" band of supporters were wrong. Bowman clearly fell off when trying to offset the pigrooting action of the horse. Correct? It's a "little pig root"......whatever that is. Can you see it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggy 4,084 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, Trump said: Which just goes to prove you and your "small" band of supporters were wrong. Bowman clearly fell off when trying to offset the pigrooting action of the horse. Correct? NO! He fell off when the horse veered AFTER and as a result of him losing his balance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 A pig root is a jump sideways...thats what caused him to lose his balance... you two really take the cake trying to twist semantics... but hey keep on believing the shit you post...just like the poll most can see what really happened...those that understand a horse anyway. But Admin you started the thread and had to change the title as you said he jumped off!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 I have no further comment re this thread. My Mother once gave me some advice, "Son, never debate with a drunk, a Leftie or an idiot - you can't win!". scooby3051 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted March 14, 2018 Seems to fit one or two in here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, scooby3051 said: A pig root is a jump sideways...thats what caused him to lose his balance... you two really take the cake trying to twist semantics... but hey keep on believing the shit you post...just like the poll most can see what really happened...those that understand a horse anyway. But Admin you started the thread and had to change the title as you said he jumped off!!!!! A "pig root" isn't a jump sideways. It's where a horse will put in a long one planting its forelegs and lowering its head. The horse did "a little pig root" BEFORE Bowman lost his balance and the horse veered sideways. That's Bowman's version but then I guess you as a "useful jockey" know better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby3051 10,915 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 39 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said: A "pig root" isn't a jump sideways. It's where a horse will put in a long one planting its forelegs and lowering its head. The horse did "a little pig root" BEFORE Bowman lost his balance and the horse veered sideways. That's Bowman's version but then I guess you as a "useful jockey" know better. Oh now you have become an expert in pig roots too... earlier in the thread you knew nothing about them.. and your explanation of them shows you level of knowledge... zero... just like your credibility suggesting at the beginning he jumped off the horse...remember that?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Report post Posted March 15, 2018 What I was querying was the "little" part of the statement. I didn't realise there were different degrees. Scooby the clue is in the term "pig root" - it is a metaphor. When a pig is looking for food in the wild it puts its head down and roots through the ground. That's why they are good at finding truffles. Even if you thought it was a sexual term pigs don't veer sideways to do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,841 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 On 3/10/2018 at 4:57 PM, Ohokaman said: Looked ok at the trials with blinkers on. https://www.racenet.com.au/news/performer-trials-impressively-at-randwick-20180315 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,559 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 10 hours ago, Trump said: I have no further comment re this thread. My Mother once gave me some advice, "Son, never debate with a drunk, a Leftie or an idiot - you can't win!". So if it's a drunk leftie idiot, all three in one, you'd best walk away quick smart. And no pig rooting, the rooting of pigs, while departing....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idolmite 2,559 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 12 hours ago, Leggy said: NO! He fell off when the horse veered AFTER and as a result of him losing his balance. I thought he said he fell off while adjusting his balance due to the rooting pigs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump 2,741 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, Idolmite said: So if it's a drunk leftie idiot, all three in one, you'd best walk away quick smart. And no pig rooting, the rooting of pigs, while departing....... One always knows when a debate is won - when personal insults replace logical argument. Well done Idlemite, you lose! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis2 1,078 Report post Posted March 15, 2018 To be fair I've seen a few horses veer out worse than that and the jockey stay in tact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belinda 143 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 A pig root is a much younger brother to a buck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,800 Report post Posted March 16, 2018 18 hours ago, Memphis2 said: To be fair I've seen a few horses veer out worse than that and the jockey stay in tact. Ligeiro chevy86, Memphis2 and Lloyd Vivian 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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