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5 hours ago, tasman man 11 said:

Tim has been buying at the sales for quite some time......probably even before you were a Foetus !

Tasman, yes he was but was he actually training them or other trainers?

The ones he has been racing in recent years successfully have been cheapies passed their best!

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Tasman man should be listened to.has been in a million horses.things have changed in the last 20 years but harness racing seems to gave stayed in a time warp.u buy a cheapie from 's island u know they won't be champions.yearlings u are buying a dream.most time it is a failed dream but it doesn't have to be a nightmare.there are plenty of things clubs trainers can do to make it fun. Most times clubs give owners nil. A 2 dollar pre race beer don't cut it. It's not for me to decide how to accommodate owners clubs have committes and staff to do that. But they have taken there eye off the ball and we see the results.I remember doing fund raising for amateurs giving dual sulky rides on a Sunday. It was huge.clubs could invite owners to do things like this.there are a million things u can do at club level.designate a board member to do it.they are paid.owning a horse is unlikely to realise a profit  but neither does owning a boat.it's has to be fun.like going fishing and catching no fish don't mean u can't have a good day.

 

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1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Tasman, yes he was but was he actually training them or other trainers?

The ones he has been racing in recent years successfully have been cheapies passed their best!

Hi Brodie

I think Tim would have had his horses trained for him earlier on, but is now able to have time to have some fun, and help older horses regain that winning feeling again.  Given that, he is a very smart man, who if he had a promising young horse in his stable, would probably give it to a trainer more able to set /top a horse off for big races.

Cheers.

Robert.

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22 minutes ago, Shad said:

Was surprised that the half brother to ultimate machete go for a bargin price, i personally thought he would top the sale, who would want to breed horses.

Not sure that $57k was a "bargain" ..... yearling was the mare's 7th foal and she has produced just the 2 winners (albeit two good ones) to date - he'll definitely get his chance in Barry's barn in any case.

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16 minutes ago, Shad said:

Was surprised that the half brother to ultimate machete go for a bargin price, i personally thought he would top the sale, who would want to breed horses.

I have a filly that I thought about selling in the sales, good mare and good Stallion, but not a Bettors or a Mach, or similar, a new kid on the block so to speak, this  sale for the breeders is a bloodbath with a few exceptions, the costs involved getting here are not cheap and Art Majors are selling for service fees or not much more,  Why bother, I will never get my mare served again.

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Thanks for the feedback, and fair points raised, i guess you just never know on the day. Good luck with your filly one more lap, hope you have ago with her yourself, better than giving her away for a poor price, out of curiosity, what would it cost to get one to the sales.

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10 minutes ago, Shad said:

Thanks for the feedback, and fair points raised, i guess you just never know on the day. Good luck with your filly one more lap, hope you have ago with her yourself, better than giving her away for a poor price, out of curiosity, what would it cost to get one to the sales.

I will now turn her into a race horse for sale as I will with her sister, the stakes now are on decline so just to balance the books is becoming far to hard, for instance, I had a winner of a few races a while ago, one race he won four years ago, we got 7500, the same race this year, the winner got 4800, I rest my case.

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1 hour ago, tim vince said:

Tasman man should be listened to.has been in a million horses.things have changed in the last 20 years but harness racing seems to gave stayed in a time warp.u buy a cheapie from 's island u know they won't be champions.yearlings u are buying a dream.most time it is a failed dream but it doesn't have to be a nightmare.there are plenty of things clubs trainers can do to make it fun. Most times clubs give owners nil. A 2 dollar pre race beer don't cut it. It's not for me to decide how to accommodate owners clubs have committes and staff to do that. But they have taken there eye off the ball and we see the results.I remember doing fund raising for amateurs giving dual sulky rides on a Sunday. It was huge.clubs could invite owners to do things like this.there are a million things u can do at club level.designate a board member to do it.they are paid.owning a horse is unlikely to realise a profit  but neither does owning a boat.it's has to be fun.like going fishing and catching no fish don't mean u can't have a good day.

 

Tim, were you being facetious in regards to Taman Man being in a lot of horses? Think you probably were.

Have you trained many young horses over the years?

Did you use  to have shares in horses trained by Big Baz?

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Had heaps with mark Tony.1 at Barry's.ihave 8 2 or 3 year olds.learning the game still but have good help and always ask Barry Tony Robert Dunn mango jac MacKinnon and others for advice .Steven Reid another.dont mind sending them to those guys if I have trouble

U have to remember these guys are great trainers I'm not in their league.but 8ts about having access to smart people.

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53 minutes ago, tim vince said:

Had heaps with mark Tony.1 at Barry's.ihave 8 2 or 3 year olds.learning the game still but have good help and always ask Barry Tony Robert Dunn mango jac MacKinnon and others for advice .Steven Reid another.dont mind sending them to those guys if I have trouble

U have to remember these guys are great trainers I'm not in their league.but 8ts about having access to smart people.

Tim, think you are understating your acheivements and results in recent seasons.

Your record with horses last their best would be every bit as good as any other trainer.

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There is a real skill to getting best out of young horses.learning but ain' a natural.the older horses almost always respond to a change of regime if they gave had ability in the past.heat work is my speciality. A very smart man said u can' get them to exceed their previous ability but u can often get them back to it.also older horses need more vet work so not economical but no one makes me do it.better off with a boat but hate fishing and get sea sick.

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You have to give credit Mick with his comments about the sales and lack of new owners etc on the Box Seat. For all his analysis of the game and sales in general you would have thought he might have bought one himself. Maybe he did but through another name. That said a M Gurein that paid 240K for a horse at Karaka TB sale in January. His call, of course if it was Box Seat Mick and hes not alone 2 vendors i spoke to at sales were going the same way. No more SB's.

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56 minutes ago, Fartoomuch said:

You have to give credit Mick with his comments about the sales and lack of new owners etc on the Box Seat. For all his analysis of the game and sales in general you would have thought he might have bought one himself. Maybe he did but through another name. That said a M Gurein that paid 240K for a horse at Karaka TB sale in January. His call, of course if it was Box Seat Mick and hes not alone 2 vendors i spoke to at sales were going the same way. No more SB's.

He does own that nice 3yo O'Reilly colt Abrahams trained by Tony Pike.

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On 14 February 2018 at 6:09 PM, Shad said:

Was surprised that the half brother to ultimate machete go for a bargin price, i personally thought he would top the sale, who would want to breed horses.

He was a lovely colt but from memory was very big, much like UM.  Most of the money comes for those that have the page and type to make natural 2yos.  

On 15 February 2018 at 7:44 PM, Fartoomuch said:

You have to give credit Mick with his comments about the sales and lack of new owners etc on the Box Seat. 

We are young (ish) owners but decided against buying any at the sales this year.  Main reasons - we don't feel there's a level playing field for all participants and a number of key administrators appear more interested in furthering their own interests than doing what's best for the future of the game.  We'll focus on current horses and watch on with interest, but there will need to be changes before we buy or breed again.  Hard to bring friends on the journey in the current environment - they think we're mad and probably right! 

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