tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 31, 2018 at last we have 2 guys standing up and being counted when it comes to the rating system- kevin seems sick of being dictated too when he is the paid handicapper. in the informant today he speaks of his frustration- personally I think he is 100 percent correct.time we leave the big decisions to those who know what they are talking about not a parochial biased group who seem to have self interest at heart in some cases, LongOwner, john legend, Wannabearacecafer and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted January 31, 2018 can u imagine the chief handicapper at the hong kong jockey club being dictated to the way kevin is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 744 Report post Posted January 31, 2018 Could noy agree more Tim. Kevin does his absolute best to be fair to everyone but of course there are some trainers/owners who are impossible to placate. He has made himself available and obviously some of the "grizzlers" are hounding him.Some of them would never be happy unless they drew 1 in a one horse race. Press on Kevin as this system for handicapping is going to be a winner once sufficient numbers end up with enough horses to r0un races with say 50 to 53 or even rating 40/41 only. We need x horsemen like Kevin in top postions . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 Seems to be something wrong in Head Office - he gets appointed to do a job then they don't back him. I'm afraid the old boys network seems to be alive and kicking. Surely this wasn't the reason Green resigned from the ATC Board? Thejanitor 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 read the informant lloyd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 john legend owners trainers always want an edge I do we all do it just seems to me he lacks support in his own organization- him and Andrew either are competent or not. i have had my eyes opened in recent months silly me thought they made all the decisions- they make almost none. have brakes on them has failed lets try and give them a free hand.of course there have to be perameters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay 1,720 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 25 minutes ago, tim vince said: read the informant lloyd Very late delivery today Tiom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john legend 744 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 From today I presume everyone knows the flexibility of the handicapper hs been restricted by having nil points for 2nd to 5th. so he only looks at 1st and 6th to last (minus 1,2 or 3 points.) Sorry Tim i cant afford the informant get it secondhand as a poor horse owner ! He obviously must be permitted to do his job. I have said before it is refreshing to deal with someone who knows what he is doing and is prepared to justify his decisions. HRNZ should be happy he still there' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 Unfortunately I am pessimistic that anything will change .the poem is in the wrong hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted February 1, 2018 Power Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackSprat 947 Report post Posted February 2, 2018 I may be a little slow on the uptake - it has been claimed in the past - but why does the club need a "handicapper" at all? Surely the "ratings system" does the handicapping, and all that is required is some intelligent race programming. For a rating "system" to be effective it should automatically adjust a horses ratings according to a pre-progammed formula, so that the process is known in advance, and no interpretation is needed. If the system isn't working, you tweak the formula, in this case the ratings system, as opposed to relying on an individual to make a personal judgement of what needs changing. No disrespect to Kevin Smith, as he seems to me to be doing a fine job .... albeit in a position that shouldn't exist. LongOwner 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim vince 985 Report post Posted February 2, 2018 That' the point it is not automatic how horses move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner 217 Report post Posted February 2, 2018 21 hours ago, JackSprat said: I may be a little slow on the uptake - it has been claimed in the past - but why does the club need a "handicapper" at all? Surely the "ratings system" does the handicapping, and all that is required is some intelligent race programming. For a rating "system" to be effective it should automatically adjust a horses ratings according to a pre-progammed formula, so that the process is known in advance, and no interpretation is needed. If the system isn't working, you tweak the formula, in this case the ratings system, as opposed to relying on an individual to make a personal judgement of what needs changing. No disrespect to Kevin Smith, as he seems to me to be doing a fine job .... albeit in a position that shouldn't exist. Exactly - no personal input neeeded . You should know what is the outcome before the race starts . The change and abuse of paid personnel has been driven by a vocal minority of shellfish trainers whining to feather their own nest. System is basically back to the old grading system - let’s run for 2nd for 10 starts ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
