The Crucible 632 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 It's almost like there are two P4Ps - polar opposites Portfolio 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 Attn Midget - Morty can you let Leo know it looks like some nice pleasant person has hacked his computer or Ipad ! ivanthegreat, Portfolio and chelseacol 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 Jut looking at the feature races on Wellington Cup Day. Telegraph looks a very good field, looks like 6 individual G1 winners will be in the field, good depth and a full field Thorndon: Looks a pretty average G1 field on exposed form!, no G1 winners and only Stolen Dance and Saville Row are proven and consistent multiple G1 performers (both G1 runner ups 3 times), Savvy Dreams has an age group G1 placing and Prince Of Passion one G1 placing, does look a potential up and comers race though with a few very promising up and coming horse's like Love Affair/Hiflyer though. Since the SW+P has been introduced it has taken away the big fields that the Thorndon used to be and it was great. Not quite the same now Wellington Cup field has been very poor for a few years now and continues to be this year, only 5 runners are rated above 85 and the 2nd top rater being rated 91. Only 2 of the field are Group winners I think and only 3 of the 17 currently nominated are off the minimum weight. The top weight's (60kg) best performance is a Listed win in the Riverton Cup! Being a 2 mile Handicap race it is in a tricky place in the calendar now and it is hard to see the quality of field getting better in years to come. Especially with the way consistent geldings are treated in New Zealand Good solid support card but the days of a whole card of big good even betting fields at Trentham look gone, good luck to the club and hopefully the track plays as well as last week! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Henry Pete 11 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/16/2018 at 10:19 AM, Tailedoff said: Yes, part of the Storming Home syndicate its exciting to finally have a good one :-D Good Luck, but go Hiflyer!!! Never had a winner with me in ownership for 38 years until this one. And now he's won 8. GO HENRY!!!! La Zip, Tailedoff, bloke and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailedoff 38 Report post Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Go Henry Pete said: Good Luck, but go Hiflyer!!! Never had a winner with me in ownership for 38 years until this one. And now he's won 8. GO HENRY!!!! Best of luck - may they fight out the finish chelseacol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 Gee the Telegraph field is something special. In the good old days fields such as this were common at the Auckland and Wellington Cup meetings. Now when we see such a field it's WOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailedoff 38 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, bloke said: Gee the Telegraph field is something special. In the good old days fields such as this were common at the Auckland and Wellington Cup meetings. Now when we see such a field it's WOW. Starvoia at $14 and Carnival at $71 are proof of that elbow 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseacol 2,488 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, Tailedoff said: Starvoia at $14 and Carnival at $71 are proof of that Agreed it is a heck of a race. As you are talking about them I see 5 SI horses in it (incl last years winner of course). Pretty good representation and some pretty talented horses. Having said that I don't have any of them winning ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 Agree its a very good Telegraph field. Interesting thing for me is that Opie Bosson has accepted the ride on Heroic Valour at 55kgs. When was the last time he rode at that weight? I guess he's working his way down to Avantage's MM weight. If he plans to ride 0.5kgs over the Telegraph weight, will they tell punters in advance? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailedoff 38 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, The Crucible said: Agree its a very good Telegraph field. Interesting thing for me is that Opie Bosson has accepted the ride on Heroic Valour at 55kgs. When was the last time he rode at that weight? I guess he's working his way down to Avantage's MM weight. If he plans to ride 0.5kgs over the Telegraph weight, will they tell punters in advance? He's getting down in weight for karaka million anyway....so its probably part of that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailedoff 38 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, chelseacol said: Agreed it is a heck of a race. As you are talking about them I see 5 SI horses in it (incl last years winner of course). Pretty good representation and some pretty talented horses. Having said that I don't have any of them winning ! I made a bucket load off Signify last year ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,700 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 Reliably informed that it will be 48 years on Saturday since Matamata jockey,Noel Riordan rode the Cup and Telegraph double on Il Tempo and Grizzly. From memory i think they were related,how close i'm not to sure but i seem to recall Red Loki and the dam of Show Gate were also in the family. Great old days for sure. chelseacol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasman man 11 979 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 4 hours ago, crustyngrizzly said: Reliably informed that it will be 48 years on Saturday since Matamata jockey,Noel Riordan rode the Cup and Telegraph double on Il Tempo and Grizzly. From memory i think they were related,how close i'm not to sure but i seem to recall Red Loki and the dam of Show Gate were also in the family. Great old days for sure. Showgate traced back to the foundation mare Eulogy who produced about 14 foals. Ditto Fury's Order. A bit later Bonecrusher also had a strain of the family. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke 1,232 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 11 hours ago, crustyngrizzly said: Reliably informed that it will be 48 years on Saturday since Matamata jockey,Noel Riordan rode the Cup and Telegraph double on Il Tempo and Grizzly. From memory i think they were related,how close i'm not to sure but i seem to recall Red Loki and the dam of Show Gate were also in the family. Great old days for sure. Some great memories there Crusty. Il Tempo's win was the first Wellington Cup that I saw. He was last in a huge field at the 3 Furlongs and hit the lead just inside the furlong and won in a canter. I recall Red Loki it was stunning chestnut with a bright red mane. Show Gate was one of my all time favourites, her treble at the 1974 NZ Cup meeting was incredible. Pam Robson, La Zip, chelseacol and 2 others 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midget 4,489 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 On 17/01/2018 at 9:10 AM, von Smallhaussen said: Attn Midget - Morty can you let Leo know it looks like some nice pleasant person has hacked his computer or Ipad ! Von,I am struggling to believe this is Leo also. I am thinking that he may have taken off overseas with that glamour that he was seen with at the tennis, mind you i can see why he may have done so and a complete change of personality has occurred because of this rendezvous. von Smallhaussen 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talk 308 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 19 hours ago, The Crucible said: When was the last time he rode at that weight? I guess he's working his way down to Avantage's MM weight. If he plans to ride 0.5kgs over the Telegraph weight, will they tell punters in advance? David Ellis has said "He has given permission for Opie to ride 0.5kg over weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insider 3,947 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 46 minutes ago, Midget said: Von,I am struggling to believe this is Leo also. I am thinking that he may have taken off overseas with that glamour that he was seen with at the tennis, mind you i can see why he may have done so and a complete change of personality has occurred because of this rendezvous. He took her to Trentham last Saturday too! Maybe that's the reason for the "new" Leo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted January 18, 2018 4 hours ago, bloke said: Some great memories there Crusty. Il Tempo's win was the first Wellington Cup that I saw. He was last in a huge field at the 3 Furlongs and hit the lead just inside the furlong and won in a canter. I recall Red Loki it was stunning chestnut with a bright red mane. Show Gate was one of my all time favourites, her treble at the 1974 NZ Cup meeting was incredible. Heckle McEwan used to train Red Loki, I know someone who rode him work now and then, so do you! bloke 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Midget said: Von,I am struggling to believe this is Leo also. I am thinking that he may have taken off overseas with that glamour that he was seen with at the tennis, mind you i can see why he may have done so and a complete change of personality has occurred because of this rendezvous. why did he have to go overseas Midget? - have all the pharmacies up your way refused to supply his viagra? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible 632 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, talk said: David Ellis has said "He has given permission for Opie to ride 0.5kg over weight. That's good of him. Hopefully he has notified stewards who can in turn notify punters ahead of putting their bets on. Speaking of Telegraph bets, the TAB are currently offering $8 on Kawi (I think until 5pm today?). I've taken some of that. Loves the track, nice trial, good draw and a race that tends to suit 1400m horses more than sprinters. No good thing but better than a 1 in 8 chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
von Smallhaussen 3,226 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I tried Viagra once, the doctor gave me a 6 pack of it, anyway it didn’t work ( it doesn’t work on 33% of us if that matters ) so I threw the other 5 tablets down the loo.......the fucking toilet seat wouldn’t go down for five days .... being the educated Doc - you are no doubt aware that the generic form of viagra is mycoxaflopin La Zip, elbow and Fartoomuch 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crustyngrizzly 1,700 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, talk said: David Ellis has said "He has given permission for Opie to ride 0.5kg over weight. This decision must have come from the Tent within the circle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, poundforpound said: I tried Viagra once, the doctor gave me a 6 pack of it, anyway it didn’t work ( it doesn’t work on 33% of us if that matters ) so I threw the other 5 tablets down the loo.......the fucking toilet seat wouldn’t go down for five days .... Brown Fox, Insider, von Smallhaussen and 1 other 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, The Crucible said: That's good of him. Hopefully he has notified stewards who can in turn notify punters ahead of putting their bets on. Speaking of Telegraph bets, the TAB are currently offering $8 on Kawi (I think until 5pm today?). I've taken some of that. Loves the track, nice trial, good draw and a race that tends to suit 1400m horses more than sprinters. No good thing but better than a 1 in 8 chance. Blinkers on too TC. Can't recall him wearing them before. Obviously want a decent start, he can't afford to miss the kick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohokaman 5,825 Report post Posted January 19, 2018 2 hours ago, poundforpound said: I tried Viagra once, the doctor gave me a 6 pack of it, anyway it didn’t work ( it doesn’t work on 33% of us if that matters ) so I threw the other 5 tablets down the loo.......the fucking toilet seat wouldn’t go down for five days .... That's about right for you....the rest of us are 100%...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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