jeepers 276 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 With the RTR sale nearly upon us what are Cafers predictions on what is likely to be the best value purchase for future racing ability. I see in the latest Informant Special many prep stables have their special selections but it would seem they may be selecting purely based on flavor of the month. Are times the best way to select a horse as in Aust.trainers placed a fair amount of emphasis on fast times. I see the fastest three times are lots 239,243 and 7. Lot 239 has been withdrawn and only lot 7 is closely related to a stakes winner.Could this be the one to buy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bidlake 760 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 It would be interesting to see on past years fastest breeze up times if that has any relevance to career performance. Anyone done any stats on that? Midget 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepers 276 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 It seems a horse still has to have speed,sprinters and stayers alike. The good ones have to be able to run 600 between 33 and 34 secs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,800 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 The Rip van winkles Jeepers, out of Morgan Le Fay and Kitt an miss. Alamosa/Abeautifulred in Three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 2 hours ago, jeepers said: It seems a horse still has to have speed,sprinters and stayers alike. The good ones have to be able to run 600 between 33 and 34 secs. True, if they can't run the times to be competitive, your wasting your time taking them to the races, and there's plenty that look like they shouldn't be there.Sometimes age and maturity can make a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeepers 276 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 I agree Shad, talented horses are no different to talented athletic children,they show ability from day one. Of course there may be exceptions because of maturity but in general trainers know the good ones as soon as they run them along hence times seem to be important, to my mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattski 176 Report post Posted November 13, 2017 There are def exceptions. Still remember the Moroney's telling the story about how Dave O'Sullivan thought this grey filly was the slowest thing in the stable when young. She (Horlicks) turned out to be pretty handy. And Dave O was one of the best in the game eh. Lots of good judges let Gingernuts go for what $45k a couple of years ago. I reckon its a pretty tough game to pick future stars! Breeder 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruff 2,800 Report post Posted November 14, 2017 Duckworth lewis was a good example,sat close on a walk your home Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted November 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Mattski said: There are def exceptions. Still remember the Moroney's telling the story about how Dave O'Sullivan thought this grey filly was the slowest thing in the stable when young. She (Horlicks) turned out to be pretty handy. And Dave O was one of the best in the game eh. Lots of good judges let Gingernuts go for what $45k a couple of years ago. I reckon its a pretty tough game to pick future stars! Gingernuts half brother racing in the south island, won well its last start, rideitlikeyoustoleit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey 2,037 Report post Posted November 14, 2017 8 hours ago, Shad said: Gingernuts half brother racing in the south island, won well its last start, rideitlikeyoustoleit. and a $100 weanling purchase to boot, good on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Huey said: and a $100 weanling purchase to boot, good on them. Bargains are there, horses for everyone, luck can pay a big part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... 226 Report post Posted November 14, 2017 12 hours ago, Shad said: Gingernuts half brother racing in the south island, won well its last start, rideitlikeyoustoleit. Half sister, originally purchased for $100 in 2012 at the National Mixed Sales and then on-sold for $4,500 in 2014 at the South Island Sales, Owners now have a 4 time (likely more to come) winning half sister to Gingernuts to breed from or sell on for a tidy profit and also have already earnt $50k in stakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Bidlake 760 Report post Posted November 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Shad said: Bargains are there, horses for everyone, luck can pay a big part. I'e been lucky a couple of times, 5k for Elusive Tracy who won 9 races and had a group2 2nd and other black type placings. Curry Up I think was $2500 only won 1 but got black type with her. Got nothing in work at the moment so will sneak up and try and find another one no one wants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad 1,558 Report post Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Aaron Bidlake said: I'e been lucky a couple of times, 5k for Elusive Tracy who won 9 races and had a group2 2nd and other black type placings. Curry Up I think was $2500 only won 1 but got black type with her. Got nothing in work at the moment so will sneak up and try and find another one no one wants. I like your way of thinking, there is no shortage, plenty are pushed to the races as babies when not mentally or physically ready, then thrown aside when they don't preform.Good luck im sure you will find one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 1,099 Report post Posted November 17, 2017 I note Lot 2 is a filly then you have to go down to lot 59 to find another one and they are only dotted through the catalogue. Is this usual and is there little interest in fillies overall? After all, it's from your fillies that you breed good colts. Just wondered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belinda 143 Report post Posted November 17, 2017 Traditionally fillies have not sold well at the RTR Sales, that is slowly changing. Luvaluva, (Wakeful Stakes, 4th VRC Oaks), came from last years RTR Sale. She was sold for 55k Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Zip 468 Report post Posted November 17, 2017 14 hours ago, Blue said: I note Lot 2 is a filly then you have to go down to lot 59 to find another one and they are only dotted through the catalogue. Is this usual and is there little interest in fillies overall? After all, it's from your fillies that you breed good colts. Just wondered. Blue, you're right. Fillies are the basis of your racing & stud book. But here in NZ, both have been trashed due to the trading/selling nature of the stakeholders. And the everyone whinges about the lacklustre racing environment. You reap what you sow! Belinda and Insider 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...