RaceCafe..#1...Tipsters Thread.... Share Your Fancies For Fun...Lets See Who The Best Tipsters Here Are.
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22 hours ago, army said:

I disagree. I have been to their big day and all you get is teenagers drunk all over the place. They are still all getting served when they can hardly stand up. The bar downstairs is so over crowded and packed with people waiting for drinks that the staff are so busy they wouldnt even notice who they were serving. To see some teenagers leaving the course by 12.30 (as we were entering) totally drunk and unable to walk by themselves is not a good look for any racecourse. So over the top harassment I dont think so. The liquor laws are in place for a reason.

 

You're like all the bloody do gooders in this world.  The CJC(or publicans or any other event or venue organiser/manager)  should not be held responsible for people who simply cannot behave themselves.  The 10% who can not or will not act responsibly ruin the day for the others but all the idiot powers that be focus exclusively on the people who run the event.  It is neither their fault nor should it be their responsibility to look after these halfwits yet the Police, Licencing Commission and Crown Public Health focus on the organisers exclusively.  Why don't OSH lay onto the Rugby Union or NZRL every time someone injures themselves playing rugby or league or the police attack Ford NZ every time someone driving their cars has a ding?

It is about time we reverted to the situation where people take responsibility for themselves not blame the publican every time someone has one drink too many.  The Publicans are not their bloody parents.  

 

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17 minutes ago, TOM(the other Molloy) said:

You're like all the bloody do gooders in this world.  The CJC(or publicans or any other event or venue organiser/manager)  should not be held responsible for people who simply cannot behave themselves.  The 10% who can not or will not act responsibly ruin the day for the others but all the idiot powers that be focus exclusively on the people who run the event.  It is neither their fault nor should it be their responsibility to look after these halfwits yet the Police, Licencing Commission and Crown Public Health focus on the organisers exclusively.  Why don't OSH lay onto the Rugby Union or NZRL every time someone injures themselves playing rugby or league or the police attack Ford NZ every time someone driving their cars has a ding?

It is about time we reverted to the situation where people take responsibility for themselves not blame the publican every time someone has one drink too many.  The Publicans are not their bloody parents.  

 

It is part of the licencing laws. Whether it is fair or not. When a racing club applies for Liquor licences they state that they will employ to correct staff to be responsible hosts. The bar manager employed on that day has the reponsibility to ensure that over  intoxicated people arent served.  Everywhere in the world a few spoil it for the rest but there are guidelines that we have to follow whether we like it or not.  I agree people need to be responsible for themselves but that is not how our society sees it and we cant change it. 

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It is not part of the Licencing Laws.  It is part of the Licensing Laws.  And if you think I am being pedantic just try dealing with one of those Fascistic people who administer the licensing law.  They are a breed apart.

Two years ago I was in a remote village on the slopes of Mount Grammos, just five kilometres from the Albanian border.  In that village, one third the size of Karamea, there were three places selling alcoholic or spirituous beverages.  None of the wine bottles (all plastic) had any labels.  They sold what they made.  There were no alcohol responsibility signs all over the place, even though my knowledge of the Cyrillic alphabet is limited.  For all that, the only sign of drunkenness was a visitor from Tauhei.

Our country has gone apeshit over liquor licensing.  

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6 hours ago, Tauhei Notts said:

It is not part of the Licencing Laws.  It is part of the Licensing Laws.  And if you think I am being pedantic just try dealing with one of those Fascistic people who administer the licensing law.  They are a breed apart.

Two years ago I was in a remote village on the slopes of Mount Grammos, just five kilometres from the Albanian border.  In that village, one third the size of Karamea, there were three places selling alcoholic or spirituous beverages.  None of the wine bottles (all plastic) had any labels.  They sold what they made.  There were no alcohol responsibility signs all over the place, even though my knowledge of the Cyrillic alphabet is limited.  For all that, the only sign of drunkenness was a visitor from Tauhei.

Our country has gone apeshit over liquor licensing.  

I understand that is a fact around the world Mr Notts.  The more demanding/strict the liquor licensing laws the more public drunkenness is an issue. There were none of these troubles 25 years ago but as the rules got tougher the examples of public sopping wet drunkenness have only increased. And who gets the blame? The poor prick doing the organising. Why not sling the drunks in a cell for a couple of days? That would make em think about their behaviour.

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1 hour ago, TOM(the other Molloy) said:

I understand that is a fact around the world Mr Notts.  The more demanding/strict the liquor licensing laws the more public drunkenness is an issue. There were none of these troubles 25 years ago but as the rules got tougher the examples of public sopping wet drunkenness have only increased. And who gets the blame? The poor prick doing the organising. Why not sling the drunks in a cell for a couple of days? That would make em think about their behaviour.

Totally agree.

Interestingly Vegas is a place where you can pretty much drink what you want where you want, carry drinks up and down the strip (and downtown) - into and out of casinos - even in taxis. Yes people get drunk etc etc etc - but trouble - pretty minimal. Yes there is security but they take a back seat in this context.

Funnily enough I have seen more aggro at Christchurch Casino due to a terrible approach by security and staff to patrons who may have had more than one drink, than I have in Vegas.

Drives me nuts

 

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I note that Ellerslie are selling sections in Peach Parade, alongside the steeplechase course.  Those sections are handy to the Green Lane railway station.  They would be ideal for high rise development.  My concern is the shading effect any such development would have on the back straight of the course.  Auckland's changeable weather means that the track needs as much sunshine as it can get.

I hope there will be caveats in those sales that will mean that the track will still get as much sunshine as the fickle Auckland weather allows.

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30 minutes ago, mainbrace said:

How does Kate Gourdie become a Board member at Auckland RC.

She only became a member of the ARC this year?
And
She is Manager, Media and Communication for the NZRB.

Surely that is a conflict of interests?

 

Particularly given the crap job she has done at NZRB....:rolleyes:

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On ‎4‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 9:43 AM, Tauhei Notts said:

I note that Ellerslie are selling sections in Peach Parade, alongside the steeplechase course.  Those sections are handy to the Green Lane railway station.  They would be ideal for high rise development.  My concern is the shading effect any such development would have on the back straight of the course.  Auckland's changeable weather means that the track needs as much sunshine as it can get.

I hope there will be caveats in those sales that will mean that the track will still get as much sunshine as the fickle Auckland weather allows.

Really...when did they decide to do this? Were members notified? Why don't they work out that they need to retain the ownership of the land for future generations? Long term lease?

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On 11/4/2017 at 9:43 AM, Tauhei Notts said:

I note that Ellerslie are selling sections in Peach Parade, alongside the steeplechase course.  Those sections are handy to the Green Lane railway station.  They would be ideal for high rise development.  My concern is the shading effect any such development would have on the back straight of the course.  Auckland's changeable weather means that the track needs as much sunshine as it can get.

I hope there will be caveats in those sales that will mean that the track will still get as much sunshine as the fickle Auckland weather allows.

Barfoot and Thompson are the selling agents ,Steve.

Of course they are. They Sponsor races at Oldserlis.

Big advert in today's Herald.

When next years Great Northern is run at Te Rapa,

and OLDERSLIE is being reconstructed will the proceeds from this land sale go towards a Mooney Valley type track ?

No way !

Once again those inempt Racing  administrators will probably blunder on.

Do you remember the fiasco on June 13    2013 at Ellerslie ?
Jockey Rogan Novall was lucky to live.

Tunnels, sewers, 6 metre holes. 

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On 10/30/2017 at 8:53 AM, Nice Option said:

I was on track Saturday and thought the atmosphere was fantastic. I was in the bar on the ground floor ( Winning Post I believe) and it was packed throughout with a great mix of punters and casual observers alike, all having a bloody good time I might add. I dont think the bar prices in there are over the top - 5 Steiny Pures for less than $40 is pretty reasonable in my opinion.

Good work Ellerslie, always enjoyable 

I also heard from mates who were in WP and they also had a great day

 

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Do not make fun of North Korea and its leader.

The N Z Herald report that the North Korean leader;

"has banned singing and drinking alcohol."

Just like the "fun police"  in a country that makes fun of Kim Il Yung, have banned betting and drinking alcohol at the Ellerslie Infield on New Year's Day.

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On 11/8/2017 at 5:22 PM, Berri said:

Really...when did they decide to do this? Were members notified? Why don't they work out that they need to retain the ownership of the land for future generations? Long term lease?

Drove past the advertisements today and thought is this fair dinkum. Now I am by no means the sharpest tool in the shed but I find the idea of selling off sections of land baffling. Yes there are very limited options when it comes to developers acquiring land for greenfield developments so close to the city off private ownership and no doubt the value of the sales will be representative of this, however this in itself is why I’m baffled. While the NZ racing industry has a number of serious issues facing it directly in the face around long term sustainability, being asset poor is not one of them. There is a reason why the potential investors would scramble over hot coals to pay big money for land like this so why would this particular club not be doing the same to retain every inch of land they have. If it was solely for a cash injection to develop other parts of the site then maybe, but surely higher levels of governance would be opening the cheque book to prevent the need to sell off assets for ever? There may well be very valid reasons to sell these particular blocks of land. Unitary plans, existing ground conditions, whether it fits long term with master plans etc etc but from an outsider looking in it seems a bit confusing. 

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6 hours ago, Hayden Sefonte said:

Drove past the advertisements today and thought is this fair dinkum. Now I am by no means the sharpest tool in the shed but I find the idea of selling off sections of land baffling. Yes there are very limited options when it comes to developers acquiring land for greenfield developments so close to the city off private ownership and no doubt the value of the sales will be representative of this, however this in itself is why I’m baffled. While the NZ racing industry has a number of serious issues facing it directly in the face around long term sustainability, being asset poor is not one of them. There is a reason why the potential investors would scramble over hot coals to pay big money for land like this so why would this particular club not be doing the same to retain every inch of land they have. If it was solely for a cash injection to develop other parts of the site then maybe, but surely higher levels of governance would be opening the cheque book to prevent the need to sell off assets for ever? There may well be very valid reasons to sell these particular blocks of land. Unitary plans, existing ground conditions, whether it fits long term with master plans etc etc but from an outsider looking in it seems a bit confusing. 

Not the first time. They should have had a chat with folk at Alexandra Park. Retaining control of the asset has always been the priority.

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34 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Seriously, what do you think her job is and how could she have done it any better ?

 

Good to see you've caught up....only three months late......:rolleyes:

She signs off releases for John Allen...nothing else, my point. Another highly paid ex TV hack and space saver...

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8 hours ago, poundforpound said:

That's not true.

She does all the mainstream media liaison work, and I know that because she facilitated our Melbourne Cup crosses with the AM Show and Alysha.

She also did TV1 and Laurie Laxon the same day.

I understand she works largely on racing related media stories or special events, in fact she was running the media side at the NZRB AGM this week too.

I'm not sure about the press releases you claim she signs off, that may be true but she's not John Allen's speech writer, that I do know.

I accept that you're allowed to criticise but it'd be nice if you could launch from a factual base don't you think ?

 

The cheerleading squad has another member it seems.....:rolleyes:

You are easily impressed if you think any of that stuff is difficult. Frustrating at times maybe, but difficult, no. Having worked with organisations like NZTB, Air NZ and other major Corps around the World over 30 odd years I know a bit about dealing with media.

Perhaps my expectations of people in these positions is higher, but my experience in general has been that I never fail to be underwhelmed by their output. This presumption here that anyone with TV on their resume, however minor, automatically translate to being PR gurus is quite often wrong....and they pop up all over the place. Hiring someone who has shown appalling journalistic judgement plagiarising other work is something else...and probably says a lot about NZRB. And I never said she wrote Allen's speeches...that might be expecting too much.

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3 hours ago, poundforpound said:

Just help me understand what she hasn’t done if she’s that bad ? given that her role is described as media and corporate communications.

Which stories did she miss ? which opportunity to promote racing went unnoticed ?

She has a job to do, a rather hard job given the parlous state of affairs, but I cannot see how or where she’s been negligent or deficient.

If you were talking about say Michelle Pickles I’d probably agree because we’re arguably not well served talent management wise, but I’ve never seen any evidence of KG being negligent. Why don’t you just identify her exact failings then we might understand your attitude.

I love your cheer leader suggestion....me of all people a cheerleader for the NZRB !!   

Every organisation has good staff, average staff, and a few rotters, and you have a responsibility to be fair about this, so substantiate your claims.

 

 

Here's a few that immediately spring to mind.

1. Profile - The NEW Racing Minister - how he loves the game and will die in his efforts to ensure the Industry does not do likewise

2. The sad passing of Pentire and his huge contribution to the NZ Racing and Breeding Industry over many years

3. The great " feelgood" story of the Tauranga Lotto winners who spent over $700,000 on 4 horses at the Karaka Sales, obviously people who love Racing and want to be part of it....no doom and gloom there eh...? Would have been great to see them interviewed on TV to pass on that passion.

Stand to be corrected, but were any of these covered mainstream ?? ;)

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29 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

1. The story has been done to death, he’s well known to be Racing affiliated and the industry pays a high price for his largesse whenever he’s not in power, and thankfully that’s often.

Besides he’s gone to ground, unsighted, as reported today in the Sunday papers. What is more he’s made no announcement on Racing, but he will, the day the yearling sales opens when he can maximize his own benefits derived from giving tax payers money away.

2. That’s breeding and it’s thoroughbred not tricode. Besides it was well covered.

3. The Herald ran the story, God help the poor people involved because like most naive entrants to the game they’ll have more bad experiences than good. Would you also like a story published when every rich man who comes into the game leaves, feeling raped by the system ?

Do you in fact understand that NZTR have their own media division and communications personnel, Timothy Patrick Barton no less.

Do you also understand that the NZRB is tricode and it’s not their responsibility to do NZTRs job for them ( if you don’t you’re in good company because 75% of the questions at the NZRB AGM were TB related and no business of the NZRB.)

You can be a patronising mook at times. Any stories that get racing in front of the public, particularly #3 are worth doing. The Racing Industry are not the general public. Most out there would not have a clue about Peters or his plans. 

As for NZRB, does anyone read these bloody things ?

Our Vision: To secure the future of our industry, and position it as one of New Zealand's great success stories.

Our Mission: To enhance kiwis' involvement and enjoyment of racing and sport.

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11 hours ago, poundforpound said:

You might like to take the time to understand the various bodies and their respective roles Ohokaman, it’ll save you making a fool of yourself again.

Story #3 was published, in The Herald, I copied the link to Cafe.

That story will almost certainly end in tears, and if it doesn’t the wider press will no doubt run it as “couple win jackpot twice”, at which time the subject of your discontent will have a role in facilitating the couples media exposure.

Now go focus your toxic energy on something worthwhile, like the Deloitte’s Report NZTR commissioned.....you’ll know all about that surely.

There's one fool here, the one who has no idea about pro-active communication. Whether you think someone spending 700k on horseflesh is a good idea or not is irrelevant, it certainly sounds like " kiwis being involved and enjoying racing and sport" to me and should have been portrayed that way, and TV was the best medium for that. God knows, we need more "feelgood" stories ...

 

 

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2 hours ago, poundforpound said:

The Herald ran the story so it was on the news feeds.

Mainstream TV had access to the story and those involved, clearly it wasn't newsworthy, or like me the news editors thought "oh dear, this is not going to end well".

Seriously, how many times have you read this story, man wins lotto, spends up large, on horses and other dodgy assets, cars, family, stray birds, man goes broke, man blames everyone except himself.

Sadly you'll almost certainly read about phase two of this foray into racing soon enough, in the Woman's Weekly, and it won't reflect well on racing.

Hopefully it will be a happy ending, and given that we don't know who selected those four horses for him maybe I shouldn't judge, perhaps he got good advice , and there is a small chance of a good result, but it's unlikely.

My point here mate is that it could have been a story to portray Racing in a positive light...and by that I mean a TV story generated and controlled by our industry people, not left to some newspaper hacks.  A personal interest story, about ordinary folk who had hit the jackpot and decided, amongst other things ( donations to charities, families, local amenities etc ) to follow their passion and love of horses and confidence in our racing industry,  and chase the dream of owning a Champion or Cup winner down the line...doesn't that fit in perfectly with the Vision /Mission statements...??  People love these stories and it would have been great to hear how they selected what they did, why, who advised them etc......anyway, just my view. Opportunity lost for mine......:wacko:

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