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18 minutes ago, hesi said:

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It will be a Labour/NZF coalition with Greens on supply and confidence, or some sort of arrangement that sees them having some sort of say on environmental issues that keeps them happy.  With specials, that possibly gives that triage 63 vs 56 seats.

Remember, Peters has a lot of baggage with National(Jenny Shipley, Jim Bolger).

He has more in common with Labour, namely

His despising of the corporate world

Reducing immigration vs local training

He has always been a champion of the less fortunate(SuperGold card), and this will mesh in well with Ardern's beliefs.

He will feel he can be more effective with Labour, vs many of the hard nosed Nats, who despise him

You were on the money hesi

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4 hours ago, Insider said:

Roger Douglas and his right wing Labour Government did that for us 30+ years ago. There’s no factories or manufactures left here. 

The big problem will be in the rest homes were we will be soon(!) with NO ONE to look after us. 

Roger did it because we were grossly over paying for goods that in many cases received massive subsidies to stay afloat.

Born out of it are Jap import cars and the likes of The Warehouse,  think back to the early 80’s and what goods cost in comparison to today. It was a Labour loon that got cold feet that stymied this country in 1987, Roger was implementing a flat tax 24c which economically would have been a master stroke for this country.

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Look what happened with the All Blacks last night, that’s clearly a result of this mad coalition.

They used the exact same tactics as your motley crew, kick all your valuable possessions away, refuse to tackle anything, and turn everything over to the lesser team.

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21 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Look what happened with the All Blacks last night, that’s clearly a result of this mad coalition.

They used the exact same tactics as your motley crew, kick all your valuable possessions away, refuse to tackle anything, and turn everything over to the lesser team.

Of course it is the new governments fault. Everything that happens in the future will be, even the weather!

Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? 

I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning.

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8 hours ago, what a post said:

I think I understand your argument. You have said you won't get kiwis to work for $20 per hour,so you want to stick to employing  those on work visas and keep paying them minimum wage.  Why pay a non kiwi  on a work visa $20 an hour when you can get away with only paying them minimum wage.    What a strategy.  

By the way. You mention the hospitality industry.  Can you tell me this. How many minimum wage overseas  workers does that industry get as customers and why is that. Also tell me how many of those from overseas have you actually ever spoken too. How easy do they find it existing on minimum wage,or do you even care. Also ask them what they do with any extra dollars they may have. When you've done that come back and tell us where that money goes,and how much gets recirculated in the local economy.

now what a post i am actually involved in the tourism industry and  get to meet plenty of different people from overseas now to answer part of your question   a  local vegie grower who pays $17 per hour cant get kiwis to work so he is forced into into employing people with work visas from overseas and where do those people spend there money guess what travelling round nz heres another one for you a local doc office looking for 2 people to work had to  get 2 young blokes guess where from nederlands and france i wonder why

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8 hours ago, final luca said:

bullshit. nzder's do  want to work, you try and live on what one gets from winz, sure you hear  streached stories of a few that get heaps from winz but in reality they are few and far between, you know it, in queenstown there are 3,000 jobs , in hospitality industry that need to be filled, they ask nz der's first, but they are in short supply in that area so they rely on tourists doing the work..now it is my guess, that quite a few of those tourists are not here or have not applied for working visas, they are actually working here illegally. 

it a[ears there are some here that think  that's fine, good on them for wanting to work, but illegal is still illegal no matter how you look at it,

then you have also got to take into account some of those that  rely on winz help use to be on different benefits and have all been taken off those and placed on unemployment benefits with winz knowing full well that for medical reasons some can not fulfil  that duty. I for one have been told by winz that I can drive school buses,or taxi's which is fine with me,    but landtransport have said if I apply for my class c liecence again, they would take me off the road all together. meaning I could not drive, anywhere even to the shops/doctors, it has something to do with diabeties, that will be happening soon enough as the last few months, I can not see what is coming towards me on the road until they are within 100 yards, but my lifestyle tics some off, well you guys can have it, it is a real hoot. nz ders want jobs, you have to be a real nutcase to think they don't, I suggest some of you guys stop a while have a think and pick up your toys you thave tossed from your cots. people like me would love to work, $20 hour is just a dream, but for some even $5 hour is an even bigger one,it just won't happen.

 

in reference to illegal i think there  would be  only a handful as 99.9 percent of buisnesses require you to supply a ird number

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

Look what happened with the All Blacks last night, that’s clearly a result of this mad coalition.

They used the exact same tactics as your motley crew, kick all your valuable possessions away, refuse to tackle anything, and turn everything over to the lesser team.

Not to mention our horses nowhere to be seen in the Caulfield Cup. The rot is already setting in. :rolleyes:

 

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Dear Liz

I understand you have considerable life experience by virtue of your many marriages, and thus I seek advice.

I'm a 37 year old dentally challenged single female, although I'm partnered up with a Class A wide boy from Ponce-on-by

My real partner though is a fat middle aged homo from Wellington named Grant.

I'm having a bit on the side with little Jimmy from the green side too, but he's into recycling his own dung and he doesn't like horses, or cows, so I'm not a great fit there.

Anyway I've just had an old grey haired fella have a crack at me, a sugar daddy type. He smells of whiskey a bit, well a lot actually, and his dementia is troubling, plus he doesn't like Maoris, or immigrants, or capitalists, or private enterprise. He doesn't even own his own home but he wants to be my life partner and spoil me rotten.

Should I make him use protection and plenty of lube because I've got an awful feeling he's going to do to me what your mates have done to the WRC.

What should I do Liz, can I make this love quadrangle work and will you trust me and invest in me ?

BTW have you got Vern Trillo's number please ?

 

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22 minutes ago, poundforpound said:

Dear Liz

I understand you have considerable life experience by virtue of your many marriages, and thus I seek advice.

I'm a 37 year old dentally challenged single female, although I'm partnered up with a Class A wide boy from Ponce-on-by

My real partner though is a fat middle aged homo from Wellington named Grant.

I'm having a bit on the side with little Jimmy from the green side too, but he's into recycling his own dung and he doesn't like horses, or cows, so I'm not a great fit there.

Anyway I've just had an old grey haired fella have a crack at me, a sugar daddy type. He smells of whiskey a bit, well a lot actually, and his dementia is troubling, plus he doesn't like Maoris, or immigrants, or capitalists, or private enterprise. He doesn't even own his own home but he wants to be my life partner and spoil me rotten.

Should I make him use protection and plenty of lube because I've got an awful feeling he's going to do to me what your mates have done to the WRC.

What should I do Liz, can I make this love quadrangle work and will you trust me and invest in me ?

BTW have you got Vern Trillo's number please ?

 

Brilliant!! :lol:

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2 hours ago, Insider said:

Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? 

I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning.

Well it's dismal and grey with light rain and no sign of any sun in the Waikato this morning Liz.

As Harry Style's song "Sign of the Times" goes "but you're not really good...we got to get away, we got to get away.... 

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2 hours ago, Insider said:

Of course it is the new governments fault. Everything that happens in the future will be, even the weather!

Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? 

I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning.

You're obviously nowhere north of Auckland.

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7 hours ago, barryb said:

Roger did it because we were grossly over paying for goods that in many cases received massive subsidies to stay afloat.

Born out of it are Jap import cars and the likes of The Warehouse,  think back to the early 80’s and what goods cost in comparison to today. It was a Labour loon that got cold feet that stymied this country in 1987, Roger was implementing a flat tax 24c which economically would have been a master stroke for this country.

rodger douglas should be held accountable and shot at dawn . g.s.t was the down fall of a lot of small business when introduced, it was mates looking after mates and self interests, that was why when he tried to get re elected he failed big time. no one wanted him , no one forgave or forgot what he did to the people of nz.if you can not understand that then you are blind and maybe should join rodger.

 

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2 hours ago, Insider said:

Of course it is the new governments fault. Everything that happens in the future will be, even the weather!

Have you noticed how much better it is since they took over? 

I haven’t seen the sun shining brighter than it is this morning.

The weather has been overcast and dismal up here since Friday....another shite day today. Any poor bastard that drove up for a nice weekend wasted their time and petrol........and a lovely traffic jam awaits on the way home....it's all turning to crap I tell ya....:rolleyes:

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26 minutes ago, final luca said:

rodger douglas should be held accountable and shot at dawn . g.s.t was the down fall of a lot of small business when introduced, it was mates looking after mates and self interests, that was why when he tried to get re elected he failed big time. no one wanted him , no one forgave or forgot what he did to the people of nz.if you can not understand that then you are blind and maybe should join rodger.

 

You should use your time on the benefit to rebalance your understanding of history.  When Douglas took over the Finance portfolio the country was essentially bankrupt.  Bankrupt through the interventionist policies of Muldoon following a period of rampant largesse under a Labour Government.

We have a double whammy with the last living Muldoon relic in power Winnie talking intervention and isolationism along with an inexperienced raving socialist who just wants to spend more by giving to the unproductive Jacinda.

 

 

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1 hour ago, poundforpound said:

Dear Liz

I understand you have considerable life experience by virtue of your many marriages, and thus I seek advice.

I'm a 37 year old dentally challenged single female, although I'm partnered up with a Class A wide boy from Ponce-on-by

My real partner though is a fat middle aged homo from Wellington named Grant.

I'm having a bit on the side with little Jimmy from the green side too, but he's into recycling his own dung and he doesn't like horses, or cows, so I'm not a great fit there.

Anyway I've just had an old grey haired fella have a crack at me, a sugar daddy type. He smells of whiskey a bit, well a lot actually, and his dementia is troubling, plus he doesn't like Maoris, or immigrants, or capitalists, or private enterprise. He doesn't even own his own home but he wants to be my life partner and spoil me rotten.

Should I make him use protection and plenty of lube because I've got an awful feeling he's going to do to me what your mates have done to the WRC.

What should I do Liz, can I make this love quadrangle work and will you trust me and invest in me ?

BTW have you got Vern Trillo's number please ?

 

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12 minutes ago, Ohokaman said:

The weather has been overcast and dismal up here since Friday....another shite day today. Any poor bastard that drove up for a nice weekend wasted their time and petrol........and a lovely traffic jam awaits on the way home....it's all turning to crap I tell ya....:rolleyes:

Not down here in the “seat of power”, it’s beautiful. I have just come in from the garden to catch up on what the grizzling buttercups have got to say since I was on a couple of hours age. 

Some of my old favourites from up north have  really been pounding away on the keyboard, poundforpound, teddy etc so it must be crap up there after all, otherwise they would have been parked up at a sidewalk cafe sipping their lattes.

p.s. If I didn’t mention your name please don’t take offence as since Thursday I don’t know who my friends are anymore!

 

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3 hours ago, gary1 said:

now what a post i am actually involved in the tourism industry and  get to meet plenty of different people from overseas now to answer part of your question   a  local vegie grower who pays $17 per hour cant get kiwis to work so he is forced into into employing people with work visas from overseas and where do those people spend there money guess what travelling round nz heres another one for you a local doc office looking for 2 people to work had to  get 2 young blokes guess where from nederlands and france i wonder why

Well in the industry I work in I hear many,many references to wages stagnating and being driven down because good hard working kiwis  can easily be replaced by outsiders willing to work for cheaper wages.  Add to that I know of several instances where I have been told by some very hard working people on working visas,that they feel they are being taken advantage of by local employers. Keeping a supply of cheaper labor coming in not only effects locals wages,it also effects those from overseas already here. 

Hard work used to be a way to get ahead in nz,now for many its just a way of treading water financially .   Sure there are jobs which cant be filled by locals,sure there needs to be an attitude change by some younger kiwis in so far as work ethic and expectations ,sure we need proper govt. policy to produce workers with the skills needed,  but focusing on those points as the only issues avoids addressing  whats currently going on in the real world.

From what I'm told by those from overseas,not the backpackers you refer to,i mean those working in the rest homes,the freezing works,the fish processing plant,the juice factory,the onion factory,the apple pickers, etc etc ,is they focus on sending any spare money they have back home. It does not get circulated anywhere to the same extent in the local economy as it does with locals. I even had the local national mp tell me one time it was a form of foreign aid. Maybe it is,however its being done at the expense of local kiwis.

I think everyone should visit the salvation army and just see some of the backgrounds of those they are helping out. Lifes a genuine struggle for many.Thats why change was needed,and why Winston went with labour.

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15 minutes ago, what a post said:

Well in the industry I work in I hear many,many references to wages stagnating and being driven down because good hard working kiwis  can easily be replaced by outsiders willing to work for cheaper wages.  Add to that I know of several instances where I have been told by some very hard working people on working visas,that they feel they are being taken advantage of by local employers. Keeping a supply of cheaper labor coming in not only effects locals wages,it also effects those from overseas already here. 

Hard work used to be a way to get ahead in nz,now for many its just a way of treading water financially .   Sure there are jobs which cant be filled by locals,sure there needs to be an attitude change by some younger kiwis in so far as work ethic and expectations ,sure we need proper govt. policy to produce workers with the skills needed,  but focusing on those points as the only issues avoids addressing  whats currently going on in the real world.

From what I'm told by those from overseas,not the backpackers you refer to,i mean those working in the rest homes,the freezing works,the fish processing plant,the juice factory,the onion factory,the apple pickers, etc etc ,is they focus on sending any spare money they have back home. It does not get circulated anywhere to the same extent in the local economy as it does with locals. I even had the local national mp tell me one time it was a form of foreign aid. Maybe it is,however its being done at the expense of local kiwis.

I think everyone should visit the salvation army and just see some of the backgrounds of those they are helping out. Lifes a genuine struggle for many.Thats why change was needed,and why Winston went with labour.

This is what Peters was referring to, when he said capitalism had become the foe of a lot of NZer's, and we are not talking about the bottom rungs of society but the many semi skilled blue collar workers, who basically keep the country running.

The redneck right whingers though, would have you believe they are just lazy bludgers who don't work hard enough, expect handouts, and that the world owes them a living:rolleyes:

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45 minutes ago, 2Admin2 said:

You should use your time on the benefit to rebalance your understanding of history.  When Douglas took over the Finance portfolio the country was essentially bankrupt.  Bankrupt through the interventionist policies of Muldoon following a period of rampant largesse under a Labour Government.

We have a double whammy with the last living Muldoon relic in power Winnie talking intervention and isolationism along with an inexperienced raving socialist who just wants to spend more by giving to the unproductive Jacinda.

 

 

actually I have a very good knowledge of political history (I feel) having grown up in a true red (labour) family, which I resented, because our mp at that time was one aurther Faulkner. of mt roskill . I personally did not like him, think it was because one of my sisters had the misfortune of dating  one of his sons (Rodney), he was a total wanker, so I against family voted values, as I wouldn't vote labour, couldn't vote national . and yes I've met the likes of Muldoon, mike moore,and even norm kirk, who compared to todays politcians, were just that, true politcians, that at least you could count on being somewhat honest and deleiver policies ., this lot today promise the world, deliever sweet fuck all.

and as I may spend my time on the benefit is frankly none or your fuckin business, but I do spend it looking over history, that is why I have a good understanding of politics. although you may think differently , that's your opinion, not that , that counts much by me.i welcome the coalition with open arms and treat it like  a breath of fresh air...9 years of national  followed 2 terms of helen clark, the people on benefits,low income earners and the poor of this country can now foucus on their future, those living in cars in Auckland may just find a house they can afford to rent, to get the family unit up and running again, happy, and the children, feed and warm, we need to think of our own people not those poor, poor people immigrating to buy our land and houses from, poor old china.but hey, I stand for everything your against, so I really understand  your stand on this, and more than likely your biased approach.

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9 minutes ago, scooby3051 said:

Guys this is a racing thread... move on or i will move it to where it should be.

That's why I think you should pin the Labour and NZ First Racing policies, so posters can easily keep an eye on what they are and what is being delivered.

One of note, was from NZ First, concerning an urgent review of the costs and operation of the NZ Racing Board

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/8556/attachments/original/1504503634/Racing_Policy.pdf?1504503634

http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/racing

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3 minutes ago, hesi said:

That's why I think you should pin the Labour and NZ First Racing policies, so posters can easily keep an eye on what they are and what is being delivered.

One of note, was from NZ First, concerning an urgent review of the costs and operation of the NZ Racing Board

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/8556/attachments/original/1504503634/Racing_Policy.pdf?1504503634

http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/racing

Not necessary as I am sure you will keep us updated :)

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